More Halo 2 Classic, Less Halo 2 "Anniversary"

I understand the majority of gamers in these forums are likely ages 12-16, so they didn’t grow up with what I view as “Halo”.

They probably don’t see the clear distinction between Bungie’s actual Halo Trilogy vs Microsoft milking a cash cow (ODST and onward). Allow me to expand on this difference.

Halo OWNED call of duty back in the day. Halo was THE shooter, MLG was all over it, it made the Xbox and Halo 2 made Xbox Live. In 2007 when COD 4 and Halo 3 were both new, that was a golden age for the console FPS. Keep in mind, Halo 3 sold 12 million copies, even more than COD 4’s 9 million (For Xbox 360 only).

COD came along and proved that in terms of sales, quantity > quality. Making a “new” COD every year will make a -Yoink- ton of money. Microsoft sees this and has to start making more Halo games, trying to imitate the success of Call of Duty. The casual gamers LOVE Call of Duty, While Halo 3 is fun, it is hard to master and not noob-friendly enough… the new Halos try to copy Call of Duty, trying desperately to get some of that market share. The Halo games are no longer designed for competitive play, but for accessibility, decreasing the skill ceiling. The Reticle bloom introduced in Reach is the best example I can provide of this, increased aim assist also serves as evidence. The introduction of Loadouts, Sprint, Armour abilities, Killstreaks, Join a match in progress… this is not Halo.

So that establishes the distinction between what I view as “Halo” and what Microsoft has done to the franchise. I don’t think Halo 4 belongs in the company of the original trilogy, as it has no competitive element and is not a Bungie title, I’m not saying its a bad game, just not Halo good. (sales agree, Halo 3 outsold Halo 4 by 3 million).

I was pissed when Microsoft pulled Xbox Live support for original Xbox games (aka Halo 2) in 2011. I guess they knew then and there that they were planning on trying to milk the Halo brand for more money by reselling it to us 3 years later. Regardless I was excited to hear about Halo 2 anniversary, just because it meant a lot of players playing a great game, desperately needed by Consoles with the recent decline in their FPS games. When I look at the playlists for the Master Chief Collection, I am a little worried though:

> Team Halo 2 Anniversary – 4v4
> Halo 2 Anniversary Rumble – 8 Player FFA
> Halo 2 Anniversary Social – 5v5
> Team Slayer – 4v4
> Big Team Battle – 8v8
> Halo: Combat Evolved – 4v4
> Halo 2 Classic – 4v4
> Halo 3 – 4v4
> Halo 4 – 5v5
> Team Hardcore – 4v4
> Halo eSports – 4v4
> ROTATIONAL: SWAT – 4v4

There is only 1 playlist for Halo 2 Classic. Halo 2, the game that made Xbox Live, that this “anniversary” is all about, only has 1 playlist??? Whereas Halo 2 Anniversary has 3? This is something that I hope changes. Halo 2 Anniversary is NOT Halo 2, I have watched the videos of gameplay. This is the same problem with Halo CE: Anniversary. People want to play Halo CE online, but instead it was just Halo Reach DLC maps. Anniversary essentially means DLC Map packs for Halo 4, which as I explained above, is not what Halo gamers want.

Halo 2 Anniversary is Halo 4 DLC. aka, I don’t want to play it. If they were going to remaster Halo 2, they should have started with Halo 2 and improved it, not try and turn Halo 4 into Halo 2. Halo 4 engine, loadouts, sound effects, grenade indicators, damage indicators, medals, map into/outros, it really ruins the “feel” of the game, and isn’t the entire point of this Collection to appeal to our nostalgia and resell a game that didn’t suck? The less 343 touches the better. More Classic Playlists. I don’t care that 343 made Halo 4 DLC, I want to play Halo 2.

Halo 2 anniversary doesn’t really have loadouts and the medals can be changed to the classic medals. If the other things bother you then you are just a prude who lives in the past.

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> Halo 2 anniversary doesn’t really have loadouts and the medals can be changed to the classic medals. If the other things bother you then you are just a prude who lives in the past.

The loadouts and medals were just specific examples, the main thing is the Halo 4 engine. Calling Halo 4 DLC “Halo 2 Anniversary” is a stretch.

How am I living in the past? The entire MCC is living in the past, back when devs made games that didn’t suck. The entire selling point of this collection is Halo 2, so god forbid I expect it to be Halo 2.

Most of the playlists actually include halo 2, 3 and h2a. You’ll get to vote on which game you play

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> Most of the playlists actually include halo 2, 3 and h2a. You’ll get to vote on which game you play

That would make sense to me for 1 playlist, but honestly I don’t want to change between so many titles in one playlist game to game.

Halo 3 I can play on my Xbox 360 anytime, Halo CE online is all PC players, Halo 4 lol no thank you.

I think since Halo 2 is the selling point of this collection it should have more than just 4v4 Team Slayer on Halo 2 Classic.

They should just release Halo 2 Anniversary as a DLC pack for Halo 4 honestly.

You need to chill dude
This collection is awesome and I’m really looking forward to Halo 2A
And I grew up with Halo, believe me

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> You need to chill dude
> This collection is awesome and I’m really looking forward to Halo 2A
> And I grew up with Halo, believe me

You bring up some very compelling points. Thank you for sharing. I will keep that in mind.

This my be the most ridiculous post I’ve seen in a while.

I was already an adult when Halo 2 came out. I played it. A lot.

I want Halo 2 Anniversary. If I wanted more classic Halo 2, I’d play that. which I can because it’s in the Master Chief Collection. You can play standalone Halo 2 multiplayer.

This collection contains things for everyone. Classic, modern, modern simulating classic, campaign, forge, everything. I get a kick out of people writing off this game as a cash grab (4 games for the price of 1? Seriously? A cash grab? They easily could have charged more and we all would still have bought it) just because it wasn’t tailored to their own specific wants.

Also “back in my day” stories need to be at least minimum of 15-20 years to be relevant. It’s the law.

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Same thread different day. I’ll tell you what I told everyone else who doesn’t like the idea of H2A’s MP.

Don’t like it? DON’T PLAY IT!

There’s a playlist for Halo 2 Classic, don’t like Anniversary? Then go there and quit your -Yoink-.

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> Same thread different day. I’ll tell you what I told everyone else who doesn’t like the idea of H2A’s MP.
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> Don’t like it? DON’T PLAY IT!
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> There’s a playlist for Halo 2 Classic, don’t like Anniversary? Then go there and quit your -Yoink-.

The point of my thread was that there needs to be more Halo 2 Classic playlists, smart guy.

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> > Same thread different day. I’ll tell you what I told everyone else who doesn’t like the idea of H2A’s MP.
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> > Don’t like it? DON’T PLAY IT!
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> > There’s a playlist for Halo 2 Classic, don’t like Anniversary? Then go there and quit your -Yoink-.
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> The point of my thread was that there needs to be more Halo 2 Classic playlists, smart guy.

They’ll be supporting this game and changing up the playlists as time goes on. It’ll be based on who’s playing what how much as well as our feedback.

H2A is new, so it’s obviously the top priority right now.

Or we can all get in line behind the Halo 3 and CE people saying the same thing. Or the 3 guys asking for more Halo 4 … but H2A is new, and we got to give that a fair chance first.

But I’m lucky, I actually like all of the Halo games, so either way, I’m happy :smiley:

Another one…I’m going to be honest, I’m past trying to argue with these sorts of threads so I’m just going to say that you think what you think and I’ll think what I think.

As far as I’m concerned, the MCC is releasing next week, anyone who wants to have some good ol’ fashioned nostalgia or just anyone looking for a new experience is about to get a pretty damn good deal. If you want to be part of that, hats off to ya brother and I’ll see you on the virtual battlefield, but if you don’t just get to the point and say it. I doubt your opinion on what classifies a Halo fan is going to win any hearts and minds either way.

Also, OP, the first line of your post … just edit that out. I read that and immediately dismissed everything else you said. It’s condescending and ridiculous. Points are rarely accepted or considered valid when they begin with an insult. Especially since it was just ten years ago, and something over which people have no control. It’s also flawed logic. I mean, just because I can remember when Ronald Reagan was president doesn’t mean my opinions, likes, or interests are better than yours.

I agree with you in some ways, more playlists for Halo 2 classic and stuff - Also the anniversary maps (especially bloodline) do look very like Halo 4 which is a little disappointing as I really didn’t enjoy halo 4 online.

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> The point of my thread was that there needs to be more Halo 2 Classic playlists, smart guy.

No. Just no.

The point of the MCC is to focus more on Halo 2 ANNIVERSARY, not classic. Yes we’re getting classic multiplayer but the main point is to focus on the anniversary multiplayer. You should be grateful we’re even getting classic multiplayer at all, let alone everything from the past 4 games.

Stop complaining.

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Same thread different day. I’ll tell you what I told everyone else who doesn’t like the idea of H2A’s MP.

Don’t like it? DON’T PLAY IT!

There’s a playlist for Halo 2 Classic, don’t like Anniversary? Then go there and quit your -Yoink-.

The point of my thread was that there needs to be more Halo 2 Classic playlists, smart guy.
Like Skippy said above this post, you’re lucky we’re even getting Halo 2 Classic at all. So quit your -Yoinking!- and be happy with this collection.

The main point of this is Halo 2 Anniversary and Certain Affinity have remade the maps, and they are owned by Max Hoberman who was the lead muliplayer designer for Halo 2. It’s in good hands

Anniversary playlist probably just mean on the Re-Mastered maps. I don’t think Halo 2 is suddenly going to have load-outs or sprint, etc…

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> I get a kick out of people writing off this game as a cash grab (4 games for the price of 1? Seriously? A cash grab?

4 games for the price of 1? LOL

Try Halo 4 DLC for the price of a game.

As if attaching Halo 3 adds value to it. This is the definition of milking the cash cow, making us rebuy games we already own.

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Not sure if troll or literally limited.