I was wondering if this new magnum was meant to be the game’s primary weapon.
I don’t know if time to kill is higher or lower than AR but… 7 shots to kill so fast and so little aim assist it means frustrating 95% of players, and the remaining 5% comfortable. I don’t think it’s a good idea.
What do you use first, AR or Sidekick?
It’s not. Quite the opposite actually.
The main purpose of the sidekick is to be a cleanup weapon. A weapon you switch to to finish off enemies. You are able to switch to it faster than any weapon and with great accuracy can kill in 7 rapid shots, but it quickly grows inaccurate when rapid fired. It also doesn’t have a 2x zoom like the old magnum, only the 1.4x default zoom, meaning it isn’t really meant for long range engagements (though can be used at longer ranges with good accuracy).
In general you should probably use the AR and switch to the sidekick to finish off the enemy since it’s faster than reloading. You can try to use the sidekick as your primary if you want but it won’t be as effective as the magnum in older games.
Usually I use the AR and then switch to the sidekick if needed.
But I am sure the ‘primary’ weapon for this game is going to be the BR. The way they valued it in the flights by having them in the rack and how well they performed shows that. However, a lot of people complain about the AR/Sidekick needing a nerf because they both also are really good and sometimes outshine the guns on the rack.
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> It’s not. Quite the opposite actually.
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> The main purpose of the sidekick is to be a cleanup weapon. A weapon you switch to to finish off enemies. You are able to switch to it faster than any weapon and with great accuracy can kill in 7 rapid shots, but it quickly grows inaccurate when rapid fired. It also doesn’t have a 2x zoom like the old magnum, only the 1.4x default zoom, meaning it isn’t really meant for long range engagements (though can be used at longer ranges with good accuracy).
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> In general you should probably use the AR and switch to the sidekick to finish off the enemy since it’s faster than reloading. You can try to use the sidekick as your primary if you want but it won’t be as effective as the magnum in older games.
Thank you. I too had intended sidekick as a cleaning weapon but, watching videos on youtube, I saw good players using it as a primary weapon. For this reason I thought that perhaps in the competitive at high levels it might be preferred.
It would be nice to know the time to kill of all the weapons …
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> I was wondering if this new magnum was meant to be the game’s primary weapon.
>
> I don’t know if time to kill is higher or lower than AR but… 7 shots to kill so fast and so little aim assist it means frustrating 95% of players, and the remaining 5% comfortable. I don’t think it’s a good idea.
>
> What do you use first, AR or Sidekick?
Side kick has a faster TTK than the AR.
343 turned their back on yet another classic Halo priciple and moved away from a utility weapon meta. The pistol is designed to cater to the „it‘s just a sidearm“-crowd.
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> > I was wondering if this new magnum was meant to be the game’s primary weapon.
> > I don’t know if time to kill is higher or lower than AR but… 7 shots to kill so fast and so little aim assist it means frustrating 95% of players, and the remaining 5% comfortable. I don’t think it’s a good idea.
> > What do you use first, AR or Sidekick?
>
> Side kick has a faster TTK than the AR.
Could you post the TTK/source? I thought they had the same optimal TTK?
The sidemick is supposed to be just a sidearm, but its a bit too strong right now.
We need to get rid of the bloom, then increase its TTK.
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> 343 turned their back on yet another classic Halo priciple and moved away from a utility weapon meta. The pistol is designed to cater to the „it‘s just a sidearm“-crowd.
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> > > I was wondering if this new magnum was meant to be the game’s primary weapon.
> > > I don’t know if time to kill is higher or lower than AR but… 7 shots to kill so fast and so little aim assist it means frustrating 95% of players, and the remaining 5% comfortable. I don’t think it’s a good idea.
> > > What do you use first, AR or Sidekick?
> >
> > Side kick has a faster TTK than the AR.
>
> Could you post the TTK/source? I thought they had the same optimal TTK?
Optimal:
AR - 1.15s
Commando - 1.00s
Side Kick 1.10s
Battle Rifle - 1.44s
Body:
AR - 1.40s
Commando - 1.40s
Side Kick 1.40s
Battle Rifle - 2.44s
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> > 343 turned their back on yet another classic Halo priciple and moved away from a utility weapon meta. The pistol is designed to cater to the „it‘s just a sidearm“-crowd.
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> > > > 2533274874453277;1:
> > > > I was wondering if this new magnum was meant to be the game’s primary weapon.
> > > > I don’t know if time to kill is higher or lower than AR but… 7 shots to kill so fast and so little aim assist it means frustrating 95% of players, and the remaining 5% comfortable. I don’t think it’s a good idea.
> > > > What do you use first, AR or Sidekick?
> > >
> > > Side kick has a faster TTK than the AR.
> >
> > Could you post the TTK/source? I thought they had the same optimal TTK?
>
> Optimal:
> AR - 1.15s
> Commando - 1.00s
> Side Kick 1.10s
> Battle Rifle - 1.44s
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> Body:
> AR - 1.40s
> Commando - 1.40s
> Side Kick 1.40s
> Battle Rifle - 2.44s
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> https://youtu.be/-i3hp-sKRJ4https://youtu.be/vqki-lRVWYE
Thanks!
But a 0.05 second difference is hardly enough to make up for how much harder it is then the AR…
I‘m not even sure if it‘s even something the netcode could handle, I‘m pretty sure two players getting an optimal kill on oneanother would leave both dead and not just the AR user
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> The sidemick is supposed to be just a sidearm, but its a bit too strong right now.
>
> We need to get rid of the bloom, then increase its TTK.
Wait, what?
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> > > 2533274801973487;6:
> > > 343 turned their back on yet another classic Halo priciple and moved away from a utility weapon meta. The pistol is designed to cater to the „it‘s just a sidearm“-crowd.
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> > > > > 2533274874453277;1:
> > > > > I was wondering if this new magnum was meant to be the game’s primary weapon.
> > > > > I don’t know if time to kill is higher or lower than AR but… 7 shots to kill so fast and so little aim assist it means frustrating 95% of players, and the remaining 5% comfortable. I don’t think it’s a good idea.
> > > > > What do you use first, AR or Sidekick?
> > > >
> > > > Side kick has a faster TTK than the AR.
> > >
> > > Could you post the TTK/source? I thought they had the same optimal TTK?
> >
> > Optimal:
> > AR - 1.15s
> > Commando - 1.00s
> > Side Kick 1.10s
> > Battle Rifle - 1.44s
> >
> > Body:
> > AR - 1.40s
> > Commando - 1.40s
> > Side Kick 1.40s
> > Battle Rifle - 2.44s
> >
> > https://youtu.be/-i3hp-sKRJ4https://youtu.be/vqki-lRVWYE
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> Thanks!
> But a 0.05 second difference is hardly enough to make up for how much harder it is then the AR…
> I‘m not even sure if it‘s even something the netcode could handle, I‘m pretty sure two players getting an optimal kill on oneanother would leave both dead and not just the AR user
I recommend they bump the optimal up by .10 for the AR personally.
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> > The sidemick is supposed to be just a sidearm, but its a bit too strong right now.
> >
> > We need to get rid of the bloom, then increase its TTK.
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> Wait, what?
I’d like to see the RNG bloom removed, and then have the TTK bumped up.
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> > > The sidemick is supposed to be just a sidearm, but its a bit too strong right now.
> > >
> > > We need to get rid of the bloom, then increase its TTK.
> >
> > Wait, what?
>
> I’d like to see the RNG bloom removed, and then have the TTK bumped up.
For the AR or Sidekick?
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> > 343 turned their back on yet another classic Halo priciple and moved away from a utility weapon meta. The pistol is designed to cater to the „it‘s just a sidearm“-crowd.
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> > > > I was wondering if this new magnum was meant to be the game’s primary weapon.
> > > > I don’t know if time to kill is higher or lower than AR but… 7 shots to kill so fast and so little aim assist it means frustrating 95% of players, and the remaining 5% comfortable. I don’t think it’s a good idea.
> > > > What do you use first, AR or Sidekick?
> > >
> > > Side kick has a faster TTK than the AR.
> >
> > Could you post the TTK/source? I thought they had the same optimal TTK?
>
> Optimal:
> AR - 1.15s
> Commando - 1.00s
> Side Kick 1.10s
> Battle Rifle - 1.44s
BR optimal in the video is 1.55s
This doesn’t make sense … why on earth would you use a BR with that time to kill? They want us to play competitively with AR?
about sidekick: 0.05s is irrelevant to the advantage of an automatic fire
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> > > 343 turned their back on yet another classic Halo priciple and moved away from a utility weapon meta. The pistol is designed to cater to the „it‘s just a sidearm“-crowd.
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> > > > > I was wondering if this new magnum was meant to be the game’s primary weapon.
> > > > > I don’t know if time to kill is higher or lower than AR but… 7 shots to kill so fast and so little aim assist it means frustrating 95% of players, and the remaining 5% comfortable. I don’t think it’s a good idea.
> > > > > What do you use first, AR or Sidekick?
> > > >
> > > > Side kick has a faster TTK than the AR.
> > >
> > > Could you post the TTK/source? I thought they had the same optimal TTK?
> >
> > Optimal:
> > AR - 1.15s
> > Commando - 1.00s
> > Side Kick 1.10s
> > Battle Rifle - 1.44s
>
> They want us to play competitively with AR?
judging by what 343 has done in the past: Yes…
The entire balancing is just off. The AR is basically low risk-high reward while the pistol is high risk-low reward. The BR is in a super wierd spot having such a long TTK that there is just no way it can be a proper utility weapon for comp. play.
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> > > > The sidemick is supposed to be just a sidearm, but its a bit too strong right now.
> > > >
> > > > We need to get rid of the bloom, then increase its TTK.
> > >
> > > Wait, what?
> >
> > I’d like to see the RNG bloom removed, and then have the TTK bumped up.
>
> For the AR or Sidekick?
Bloom for sidekick, TTK for both.
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> > > 343 turned their back on yet another classic Halo priciple and moved away from a utility weapon meta. The pistol is designed to cater to the „it‘s just a sidearm“-crowd.
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > > > > 2533274874453277;1:
> > > > > I was wondering if this new magnum was meant to be the game’s primary weapon.
> > > > > I don’t know if time to kill is higher or lower than AR but… 7 shots to kill so fast and so little aim assist it means frustrating 95% of players, and the remaining 5% comfortable. I don’t think it’s a good idea.
> > > > > What do you use first, AR or Sidekick?
> > > >
> > > > Side kick has a faster TTK than the AR.
> > >
> > > Could you post the TTK/source? I thought they had the same optimal TTK?
> >
> > Optimal:
> > AR - 1.15s
> > Commando - 1.00s
> > Side Kick 1.10s
> > Battle Rifle - 1.44s
>
> BR optimal in the video is 1.55s
> This doesn’t make sense … why on earth would you use a BR with that time to kill? They want us to play competitively with AR?
>
> about sidekick: 0.05s is irrelevant to the advantage of an automatic fire
Automatic fire is easier to dodge IMO.
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> > > > > The sidemick is supposed to be just a sidearm, but its a bit too strong right now.
> > > > >
> > > > > We need to get rid of the bloom, then increase its TTK.
> > > >
> > > > Wait, what?
> > >
> > > I’d like to see the RNG bloom removed, and then have the TTK bumped up.
> >
> > For the AR or Sidekick?
>
> Bloom for sidekick, TTK for both.
But, removing the bloom from the sidekick, doesn’t it mean, you have a faster kill time?
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> > > > > > The sidemick is supposed to be just a sidearm, but its a bit too strong right now.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We need to get rid of the bloom, then increase its TTK.
> > > > >
> > > > > Wait, what?
> > > >
> > > > I’d like to see the RNG bloom removed, and then have the TTK bumped up.
> > >
> > > For the AR or Sidekick?
> >
> > Bloom for sidekick, TTK for both.
>
> But, removing the bloom from the sidekick, doesn’t it mean, you have a faster kill time?
It would make it more consistent, where as right now its only that consistent sometimes. Removing bloom allows us to address the TTK directly
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> > > > 343 turned their back on yet another classic Halo priciple and moved away from a utility weapon meta. The pistol is designed to cater to the „it‘s just a sidearm“-crowd.
> > > >
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> > > > > > I was wondering if this new magnum was meant to be the game’s primary weapon.
> > > > > > I don’t know if time to kill is higher or lower than AR but… 7 shots to kill so fast and so little aim assist it means frustrating 95% of players, and the remaining 5% comfortable. I don’t think it’s a good idea.
> > > > > > What do you use first, AR or Sidekick?
> > > > >
> > > > > Side kick has a faster TTK than the AR.
> > > >
> > > > Could you post the TTK/source? I thought they had the same optimal TTK?
> > >
> > > Optimal:
> > > AR - 1.15s
> > > Commando - 1.00s
> > > Side Kick 1.10s
> > > Battle Rifle - 1.44s
> >
> > They want us to play competitively with AR?
>
> judging by what 343 has done in the past: Yes…
> The entire balancing is just off. The AR is basically low risk-high reward while the pistol is high risk-low reward. The BR is in a super wierd spot having such a long TTK that there is just no way it can be a proper utility weapon for comp. play.
in the past 343 make BR as primary weapon in competitive gaming… and Magnum in H5. No one faces the Halo 5 magnum with the AR… So the past has nothing to do with it in my opinion.
The difference with the past is that now there are more effective automatic weapons (long range for AR and Commando, and low time to kill) perhaps more convenient than semi-automatic ones…