Anyone else hoping to see Master Chief get Mk.7 armor in Halo 5? He’s been in Mk. 6 since on or before the events of Halo 2. I believe I remember it being in prototype phase during First Strike. Also there is the fact that there have been four years since the end of Halo 3 leading to Halo 4 that led to less enhanced soldiers/marines being able to handle the equipment. Plus an extra six months after that if you count Spartan Ops. Don’t get me wrong I really like the Mk. 6 as it has become iconic Master Chief and Halo, but I feel like there would have been significant advances for top of the line Mjolnir armor and who would be better to test it on/give it to than a Spartan II specifically humanity’s recurring hero? Also in Halsey’s journal from Halo: Reach she discusses possible features and upgrades for Mk.7. I know the canon of that game is hotly debated but I think the journal is accepted.
Well of course there have been significant advances. I’d like to see Chief in Mk. VII but I feel as if though it will not happen; at least if the E3 trailer is any indication. From the prologue and epilogue of H2A, Locke reveals that he has gone AWOL so if he is AWOL, I doubt he’ll be going to the UNSC or ONI for a new set of armor. Also I think Mk. VII is technically obsolete as we now have Mjolnir GEN-II. Anyway, Naomi-010 wears Mk. VII armor in combat so it definitely exists and as far as I know its not a prototype. Also as you said it was mentioned in the journal. Side-note, I’s say Reach is all canon, yeah it messes up some of the lore, but the purpose of the journal is to help alleviate those problems. Personally I just view 343’s Mk. VI as Mk. VI upgraded, so its a bit better than the normal Mk. VI… but that’s just my own headcanon. I hope that the Chief gets new armor soon. I think it would be awesome if he got some kind of Forerunner-enhanced armor. Even something along the lines of the Didact’s armor. That would be so awesome.
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> Anyone else hoping to see Master Chief get Mk.7 armor in Halo 5? He’s been in Mk. 6 since on or before the events of Halo 2. I believe I remember it being in prototype phase during First Strike. Also there is the fact that there have been four years since the end of Halo 3 leading to Halo 4 that led to less enhanced soldiers/marines being able to handle the equipment. Plus an extra six months after that if you count Spartan Ops. Don’t get me wrong I really like the Mk. 6 as it has become iconic Master Chief and Halo, but I feel like there would have been significant advances for top of the line Mjolnir armor and who would be better to test it on/give it to than a Spartan II specifically humanity’s recurring hero? Also in Halsey’s journal from Halo: Reach she discusses possible features and upgrades for Mk.7. I know the canon of that game is hotly debated but I think the journal is accepted.
Whether he gets Mark VII or not, as indicated in the Traviss books, the external appearance is largely up to the individual - Naomi-010 favoured the Mark V look, but I see no reason why John-117 would pick that look, or the Mark VI, or something else entirely. So for all we know he is in Mark VII armor in the trailer, built to look like a Mark VI (which from a practical perspective, if you’ve already learnt exactly where all your corners are in the armor, and you are otherwise comfortable, why would you change unless there was a compelling reason to do so).
On the topic of Gen-II armor, from what I can glean from the various sources, Gen-II armor is Mark VII armor, built on a lighter frame. Fundamental technology is the same, but the Gen-II has less mass (more reliant on shielding, less reliant on armor plates), and the Gen-II armor has been tuned to enhance the S-IVs to be being similar to S-IIs in Gen-I armor. S-IIs in Mark-VII armor should be a whole different story though.
I personally hope he gets a forerunner like armor. Or even a forerunner combat skin.
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> Also I think Mk. VII is technically obsolete as we now have Mjolnir GEN-II.
I believe that only spartan 4s have gen 2 while spartan 2s still use gen 1 armour so chief would get gen 1 Mk 7 or higher if he got new armour from the UNSC.
Do we even know what generation of Mjolnir, Mk. VII belongs to?
I always thought he was wearing a Mk. VII armor in halo 4…guess I was wrong.
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> Do we even know what generation of Mjolnir, Mk. VII belongs to?
Gen 1
In my opinion, the differentiation between the Mjolnir Power Armor Systems and GEN2 Armor Systems has something relevant to the Spartan augmentation processes… During the first phases of the Spartan Programs, augmenting a human was a difficult factor to emulate, at least to wield Mjolnir Power Armor without any severity or casualities involved… And so methods were taken:
- Spartan-I Program > Adult Volunteers > Chemical Augmentations- Spartan-II Program > Conscripted Children > Surgical, Mental and Chemical Augmentations- Spartan-III Program > Child Volunteers > Mental and Chemical Augmentations- Spartan-IV Program > Adult Volunteers > Chemical AugmentationsAnd so, I assume that the chemical augmentations in the Spartan-IV Program allow average humans to now wield powered armor, yet due to only being chemical enhancements… a new lightweight version of the Mjolnir armor was created, hence GEN2, yet this new version had no significant weaknesses, to its predecessor, due to the extra technological enhancements and so… the shielding, power systems etc. were that of better quality to the GEN1 Mjolnir; however it should be noted that Spartan-II and possibly Spartan-III (to a lesser extent) augmentations were specifically created to merge with GEN1 Mjolnir Power Armor Systems, and so they would still use Mark VII.
Okay now in terms of John-117 getting new Mjolnir Mark VII Power Armor… Firstly, it seems whenever new extra content that is release under 343 Industries name, it has various foreshadowed clues and so the Mark VII possessing a unique feature to custom make appearance… seems to good to be true. So the issues of appearance should not be a factor, due to the nanobot technology and custom mainframe silhouette orientation of the Spartan host, and so the Master Chief could elect the new set to imitate Cortana’s custom created Mark VI [variant], seen in Halo 4… which is her legacy of sorts to John. Also it should be noted that whenever John-117 is awarded a new upgraded armor set, its at a junctional cataclysmic event…
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ODST Polymer Black Body Suit
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- Assault on Eridanus Secundus (September, 2525)*
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Mjolnir Mark VI Power Assault Armor
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- Battle of Chi Ceti IV (November, 2525)*
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- Fall of Circinius IV (April, 2526)*
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- Liberation of Harvest (March, 2526 - February, 2531)*
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- Raid on Camp New Hope (May, 2531)*
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- Battle of Jericho VII (February, 2535)*
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- Operation: WARM BLANKET (2544)*
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- Battle of Sigma Octanus IV (July, 2552)*
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Mjolnir Mark V Power Assault Armor
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- Fall of Reach (July, 2552 - August, 2552)*
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- Evacuation of the UNSC Pillar of Autumn (September, 2552)*
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- Battle of Installation 04 (September, 2552)*
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- Skirmish over Threshold (September, 2552)*
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- Raid on Reach (September, 2552)*
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- Operation: FIRST STRIKE (September, 2552)*
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Mjolnir Mark VI Power Assault Armor
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- Battle of Earth (October, 2552 - November, 2552)*
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- Battle of Installation 05 (November, 2552)*
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- Battle of High Charity (November, 2552)*
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- Skirmish on Forerunner Keyship Z-??? (November, 2552)*
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- Battle of Voi (November, 2552)**- Battle of Installation 00 (December, 2552)*
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- Battle of the Citadel (December, 2552)*
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- Raid on High Charity (December, 2552)*
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- Raid on Installation 04B (December, 2552)*
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Mjolnir Mark VI [Variant] Power Assault Armor
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- First Campaign of Requiem (July, 2557)*
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- Raid on Ivanoff Station (July, 2557)*
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- The New Phoenix Incident (July, 2557)*
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- Skirmish on Installation 03 (July, 2557)*
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Mjolnir Mark VII Power Assault Armor
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-* ???Perhaps as an unforeseen side effect to the nano technology… it can absorb upgrades on the fly, and so John-117 could find a Forerunner combat skin; and reverse-engineer it; but also turn into a human weapon, as well as keeping his iconic look.
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> In my opinion, the differentiation between the Mjolnir Power Armor Systems and GEN2 Armor Systems has something relevant to the Spartan augmentation processes… During the first phases of the Spartan Programs, augmenting a human was a difficult factor to emulate, at least to wield Mjolnir Power Armor without any severity or casualities involved… And so methods were taken:
> - Spartan-I Program > Adult Volunteers > Chemical Augmentations
> - Spartan-II Program > Conscripted Children > Surgical, Mental and Chemical Augmentations
> - Spartan-III Program > Child Volunteers > Mental and Chemical Augmentations
> - Spartan-IV Program > Adult Volunteers > Chemical Augmentations
> And so, I assume that the chemical augmentations in the Spartan-IV Program allow average humans to now wield powered armor, yet due to only being chemical enhancements… a new lightweight version of the Mjolnir armor was created, hence GEN2, yet this new version had no significant weaknesses, to its predecessor, due to the extra technological enhancements and so… the shielding, power systems etc. were that of better quality to the GEN1 Mjolnir; however it should be noted that Spartan-II and possibly Spartan-III (to a lesser extent) augmentations were specifically created to merge with GEN1 Mjolnir Power Armor Systems, and so they would still use Mark VII.
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> Okay now in terms of John-117 getting new Mjolnir Mark VII Power Armor… Firstly, it seems whenever new extra content that is release under 343 Industries name, it has various foreshadowed clues and so the Mark VII possessing a unique feature to custom make appearance… seems to good to be true. So the issues of appearance should not be a factor, due to the nanobot technology and custom mainframe silhouette orientation of the Spartan host, and so the Master Chief could elect the new set to imitate Cortana’s custom created Mark VI [variant], seen in Halo 4… which is her legacy of sorts to John. Also it should be noted that whenever John-117 is awarded a new upgraded armor set, its at a junctional cataclysmic event…
> - ODST Polymer Black Body Suit
> - - Assault on Eridanus Secundus (September, 2525)*
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> - Mjolnir Mark VI Power Assault Armor
> - - Battle of Chi Ceti IV (November, 2525)*
> - - Fall of Circinius IV (April, 2526)*
> - - Liberation of Harvest (March, 2526 - February, 2531)*
> - - Raid on Camp New Hope (May, 2531)*
> - - Battle of Jericho VII (February, 2535)*
> - - Operation: WARM BLANKET (2544)*
> - - Battle of Sigma Octanus IV (July, 2552)*
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> - Mjolnir Mark V Power Assault Armor
> - - Fall of Reach (July, 2552 - August, 2552)*
> - - Evacuation of the UNSC Pillar of Autumn (September, 2552)*
> - - Battle of Installation 04 (September, 2552)*
> - - Skirmish over Threshold (September, 2552)*
> - - Raid on Reach (September, 2552)*
> - - Operation: FIRST STRIKE (September, 2552)*
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> - Mjolnir Mark VI Power Assault Armor
> - - Battle of Earth (October, 2552 - November, 2552)*
> - - Battle of Installation 05 (November, 2552)*
> - - Battle of High Charity (November, 2552)*
> - - Skirmish on Forerunner Keyship Z-??? (November, 2552)*
> - - Battle of Voi (November, 2552)**- Battle of Installation 00 (December, 2552)*
> - - Battle of the Citadel (December, 2552)*
> - - Raid on High Charity (December, 2552)*
> - - Raid on Installation 04B (December, 2552)*
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> - Mjolnir Mark VI [Variant] Power Assault Armor
> - - Defence of the UNSC Forward Unto Dawn (July, 2557)*
> - - First Campaign of Requiem (July, 2557)*
> - - Raid on Ivanoff Station (July, 2557)*
> - - The New Phoenix Incident (July, 2557)*
> - - Skirmish on Installation 03 (July, 2557)*
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> - Mjolnir Mark VII Power Assault Armor
> - -* ???
> Perhaps as an unforeseen side effect to the nano technology… it can absorb upgrades on the fly, and so John-117 could find a Forerunner combat skin; and reverse-engineer it; but also turn into a human weapon, as well as keeping his iconic look.
Johns armor was changed by Cortana. I’m not sure if John knows how too do that without her, unless Medicant Bias gives him a hand. I personally don’t think 343 will give him anything too different if they change it. The Mjolnir V/VI armor is very iconic and changing it too much or ditching it might screw with casual fans.
I don’t think John-117 would have to do that much rudimentary design work… the nanobots would be doing most of the work… with assistance from ONI/UNSC science teams. And the iconic armor is simply easier to emulate as the armor can be moulded to any relevant appearance… and this could be a canon reason for how the Master Chief, has an updated ‘Halo 5: Guardians’ HUD (Shielding, Health) and can perform his Spartan Abilities (Sprint, Ground Pound, Smart Scope etc.).
Perhaps he’ll get it after he is captured by Locke and Pals. Because he WILL be captured, no way he can fend off that squad hunting him.
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> Perhaps he’ll get it after he is captured by Locke and Pals. Because he WILL be captured, no way he can fend off that squad hunting him.
He can if Spartan Blue Team are with him! But I’d assume they’re going along with him on his “mission”… yet when Agent Locke and Arbiter 'Vadam show up, and start questioning John… then Blue Team may assist Locke, in persuading the Master Chief back, as they are sworn to the service of the UNSC.
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> > Perhaps he’ll get it after he is captured by Locke and Pals. Because he WILL be captured, no way he can fend off that squad hunting him.
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> He can if Spartan Blue Team are with him! But I’d assume they’re going along with him on his “mission”… yet when Agent Locke and Arbiter 'Vadam show up, and start questioning John… then Blue Team may assist Locke, in persuading the Master Chief back, as they are sworn to the service of the UNSC.
I don’t think John brought them with him. Going AWOL is obviously punishable and i doubt he would risk his fellow spartans for personal reasons. Besides, John and Blue team were officially on leave, meaning that the mission John had in mind for them was not illegal, they just aren’t representing the UNSC. They probably completed their mission and John went on his own or he ordered them to return once Blue team would risk punishment.
Edit: I think John could defeat Lockes squad, but i doubt he would be the one to fire first and i seriously doubt he would kill them. In the Fall of Reach, he only incapasitated the ODST’s during the Mjolnir/cortana test, despite them trying to kill him.
I think there will be another evolution of the existing armour tough in the trailer which we saw the armour was damaged even further.
Yeah but the trailer also had chief in what looked like a burlap cloak which perplexes me. Because unless it actually masks all electro-magnetic signals and waves why would he need that to protect him from the elements in his armor.
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> > Do we even know what generation of Mjolnir, Mk. VII belongs to?
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Whilst I am agreeing in general here, the fundamental underlying technology of the Mark VII and the Gen-II variants appear to be identical. Which means that it could be argued that the Mark VII is either the very first of the Gen-IIs, or a test-type / proto-type to the gen-II armor. About the only difference I can pick between the Gen-II and the Mark VII is the number / thickness of armor plates - the Gen-II is lighter.
In the broader sense of Halo 5, I would expect John-117 to be equipped with Mark-VII armor pretty quickly after getting back to earth, in whatever configuration he prefers. He may well prefer the configuration left to him by Cortana, with adjustments for whatever new functionality has been built in. I can’t see why the UNSC wouldn’t equip a person is arguably one of their best soldiers with the latest technology.
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> Yeah but the trailer also had chief in what looked like a burlap cloak which perplexes me. Because unless it actually masks all electro-magnetic signals and waves why would he need that to protect him from the elements in his armor.
I think the running theory about that is that he is wearing it to keep sand out of the sensitive parts of his suit. After all, sand blowing generates a lot of static (because of friction), and we’ve only seen John in a desert for a brief period of time.
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> I don’t think John-117 would have to do that much rudimentary design work… the nanobots would be doing most of the work… with assistance from ONI/UNSC science teams. And the iconic armor is simply easier to emulate as the armor can be moulded to any relevant appearance… and this could be a canon reason for how the Master Chief, has an updated ‘Halo 5: Guardians’ HUD (Shielding, Health) and can perform his Spartan Abilities (Sprint, Ground Pound, Smart Scope etc.).
Actually, John’s armor can already apparently do some of that. He has built-in thrusters. In the cutscene at the end of Shutdown, Master Chief jumps off of the platform to land on a liche, but he has to make a minor course correction. He obviously uses some type of thruster, even though he has nothing on his back a few seconds later. Plus, I think 343i normally try to shy away from using any AA in cutscenes due to the fact you could have anything equipped before hand so it would make the cutscene inconsistent.
So, in theory, Master Chief can do every one of the new features in H5 because they all rely on built-in thrusters, tech on the guns themselves (like the SmartScopes), or something that could be changed on his suit with a five-second patch (that he probably got on Infinity). And for all we know, somethings like HUD appearance, could be changed by the Spartans themselves in some type of settings menu in the suit. And we would have never seen it because Master Chief ain’t got no time fo dat.
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Source? I mean an actual confirmation via canon, whether from Catalog, or an official guide, etc. Halsey planned Mk. VII to be the final armour set for Mjolnir GEN-1, but since she never got round to making it, we don’t really know if it was made for that generation.
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> > Yeah but the trailer also had chief in what looked like a burlap cloak which perplexes me. Because unless it actually masks all electro-magnetic signals and waves why would he need that to protect him from the elements in his armor.
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I think is says in Ghost of Onyx that the Mjolnir armor or the shielding isn’t a big fan of small particles like dust. I can’t remember where it says that though. Confirmation would be appreciated