As I played my last game in the war zone firefight beta this week, I was left like the majority of us still wanting. I don’t want to go too in depth about the beta itself but more of an idea.
As we saw in the cover of Hunters in the dark and potentially in HW2, the Covenant are liking the idea of Mjolnir. Plus with out the need to massively augment their troops to wear it, mainly meaning brutes and elites it could become a thing. The idea is you are playing a war zone match and a legendary boss is about to spawn (pack leader Taranus) (just made that up) you turn up to see a brute in full Mjolnir and full of discontent and plasma.
Aside from a complete WTF when first seen it would be a way to bring the brutes back prior halo 6. Also playable elites also in their own Mjolnir variants instead of their usual harnesses could be used ( more likely a halo 6 as it would mean a lot of work for a patch/update)
Brutes dont seem to like relying on anything other than their own personal strength is the thing. And I doubt they have the paitence or technical wherewithall to create powered armor for themselves.
Sangheili are more likely, but again; they might see it as a weakness.
Lets see elites and spartans are evenly matched but if you put augmented into the picture. Elites are gonnal be like the Spartans as Spartan will be like marines.
looks at Halo Wars 2 trailer do you really want to see a Brute in MJORNIR armour when they can already do that? They are already able to overpower Spartans (as seen in Halo: First strike and Ghosts of Onyx). Brute’s don’t need MJORNIR armour to overpower them. Giving them MJORNIR is overkill.
I don’t see it being as powerful as the MJOLNIR for them simply because they seem to lack knowledge to use the full potential of the technology that they take over. First strike is a prime example of this with the covenant ships slipspace and weapon capabilities.
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> Was it not ret-conned that Elite armour did actually boost their strength like Mjolnir?
> Brute armour probably does something similar too.
There was some obscure reference in an encyclopedia but a lot of cutscenes have contradicted this. Elite picking up emile with an armorless hand, gek beating up a spartan without armor on arms, arbiter not wearing armor on his arm etc and they still display roughly the same strength as a spartan. Brute armor also breaks down completely after taking too much damage but it seems that they are still capable of overpowering a spartan so I doubt it increases their strength either.
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> Lets see elites and spartans are evenly matched but if you put augmented into the picture. Elites are gonnal be like the Spartans as Spartan will be like marines.
To be precise the only Spartans that can really stand toe to toe with elites are II’s. All others are comparatively weaker. Also I don’t think the elites would see it dishonorable to have power armour. If that was the case the wouldn’t glass humanity from orbit.
Brutes? There is not Covenant anymore.
Elites were never friends with Brutes.
They are trying to have peace talks together, but I don’t see any new “covenant/alliance” of Sangheili and Jiralhanae together…
Most of them are stupid. <_<
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> Was it not ret-conned that Elite armour did actually boost their strength like Mjolnir?
> Brute armour probably does something similar too.
Yep, the Halo Encyclopedia confirms as much, but Sangheili Combat Harnesses are noted to be inferior to MJORNIR as stated in conversations of the Universe. And from the Encyclopedia we learn that Jiralhanae Power Armour doesn’t augment their strength, only boosting durability. In a way it makes sense considering from non-gameplay showings a Brute’s armour and energy shields can withstand a hell of a lot more firepower than an Elites (Maccabeus withstood the concentrated firepower of 24 marines in close quaters, and a Chieftain in Halo: Initiation withstood several rounds from a warthog’s Chaingun and withstood entire clips, of MA5D fire (and Palmer was forced to use a Warthog to kill the beast) while Elite Zealot shields fell after 8-12 MA37 rounds in Reach: Winter Contingency scene, an Ultra dying in a few rounds of MA37 fire in Lone Wolf or two shotgun blasts from Halo 5’s opening cinematic).
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> > Lets see elites and spartans are evenly matched but if you put augmented into the picture. Elites are gonnal be like the Spartans as Spartan will be like marines.
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> To be precise the only Spartans that can really stand toe to toe with elites are II’s. All others are comparatively weaker. Also I don’t think the elites would see it dishonorable to have power armour. If that was the case the wouldn’t glass humanity from orbit.
Really, because I can remember the opening of Halo: Ghosts of Onyx quite well (IIIs engaging Elites in CQC and winning). Some Elites are strong enough to compete with Spartans in MJORNIR armour, but certainly not all. I don’t forget, many Spartan vs Elite scenes from the novels involve Spartans in Mark IV/V armour, while Mark VI and beyond augment strength by a factor of 5, not 2.
Also, there isn’t any notable differences in strength between a II and IV in MJORNIR armour (out of armour the IIs are superior). In regards to the IIIs, the IIIs were given crap armour (in comparison of the IIs) and most of died at the ages of 10-12, when in The Fall of Reach noted that the Spartans will adjust to the augmentations when times goes on (what time did the IIIs have? They died at the ages of 10-12). Give a III enough experience and equalised gear, I’ll say the IIIs would rival the IIs, if not beat them given their superior training (the IIIs had both Mendez and Kurt, who at this point had experience training the IIs and several classes of IIIs, and hence they would have learnt what worked, what didn’t and how to perfect the training process of the Spartans. Kurt also mentions how Gamma Company are “the finest Spartans ever”).
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> I don’t see it being as powerful as the MJOLNIR for them simply because they seem to lack knowledge to use the full potential of the technology that they take over. First strike is a prime example of this with the covenant ships slipspace and weapon capabilities.
Well, if you give a chimp and a hammer it turns out with something destroyed. So give a Brute MJOLNIR armor and you have the ultimate killing machine. Plus the Covies know exactly how to use tech they steal. Example: Every halo where you could play as an Elite you did use UNSC vehicles and weapons. Brutes also use UNSC shotguns in Halo 2.
the covenant maybe a thing of the past, but the brutes still use old covvie tech to raid and pillage outer colonies. this is confirmed in cannonfodder a few weeks ago.
The brutes arent gone, they are probably too busy killing eachother.
(i might note that there are some brutes on sangheilios but thats just because they are stranded with noway off the planet so they are more or less forced to choose a side in the war. So it COULD be considered canon to include them in warzone or firefight HINTHINT)
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> > Lets see elites and spartans are evenly matched but if you put augmented into the picture. Elites are gonnal be like the Spartans as Spartan will be like marines.
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> To be precise the only Spartans that can really stand toe to toe with elites are II’s. All others are comparatively weaker. Also I don’t think the elites would see it dishonorable to have power armour. If that was the case the wouldn’t glass humanity from orbit.
I think that’s not entirely accurate. Noble 6 as well as the rest of Noble Team killed a lot of Elites. Hell, even Jonah, and Roland in their SPI armor were pretty much grim reapers to the Sangheili, and as we saw from Spartan Ops, Majestic Team is able to kick some Elite butt. The Spartan III’s were trained to fight the Covenant, unlike the II’s and their training was said to be more advanced. Even though I do agree that the II’s are more war-hardened, and their training and tactics, is more covert and sneaky, rather than direct action.
As for OP, Brutes in MJOLNIR would be overkill, and is actually a pretty scary thought… No way any small-arms fire could kill that, it would have to be a couple of well-placed rockets or a Spartan Laser.
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> > > Lets see elites and spartans are evenly matched but if you put augmented into the picture. Elites are gonnal be like the Spartans as Spartan will be like marines.
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> I think that’s not entirely accurate. Noble 6 as well as the rest of Noble Team killed a lot of Elites. Hell, even Jonah, and Roland in their SPI armor were pretty much grim reapers to the Sangheili, and as we saw from Spartan Ops, Majestic Team is able to kick some Elite butt. The Spartan III’s were trained to fight the Covenant, unlike the II’s and their training was said to be more advanced. Even though I do agree that the II’s are more war-hardened, and their training and tactics, is more covert and sneaky, rather than direct action.
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> As for OP, Brutes in MJOLNIR would be overkill, and is actually a pretty scary thought… No way any small-arms fire could kill that, it would have to be a couple of well-placed rockets or a Spartan Laser.
But it would be AWESOME, trying to melee one of them guys and you will get smacked across the map like a rag doll. It could be another Mythic or Legendary boss like the Warden Eternal.
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> the covenant maybe a thing of the past, but the brutes still use old covvie tech to raid and pillage outer colonies. this is confirmed in cannonfodder a few weeks ago.
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> The brutes arent gone, they are probably too busy killing eachother.
> (i might note that there are some brutes on sangheilios but thats just because they are stranded with noway off the planet so they are more or less forced to choose a side in the war. So it COULD be considered canon to include them in warzone or firefight HINTHINT)
Actually there are a Hundred or more Covenant factions out there, each with their own ideologies and agendas as stated in Halo Escalation. I think I also saw somewhere that some brutes sided with some covenant factions but I’m not sure.
I dont think that the covenant would actually use Mjolnir because the covenant looked down upon human tech. I remember reading one of the books and chief remembered a scene from a battle where a jackal and a marine were fighting hand to hand. And commented that the covenant would rather fight hand to hand than use a human weapon.
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> I dont think that the covenant would actually use Mjolnir because the covenant looked down upon human tech. I remember reading one of the books and chief remembered a scene from a battle where a jackal and a marine were fighting hand to hand. And commented that the covenant would rather fight hand to hand than use a human weapon.
The covenant did, the covenant is also pretty much dead.
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> > Was it not ret-conned that Elite armour did actually boost their strength like Mjolnir?
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> Yep, the Halo Encyclopedia confirms as much, but Sangheili Combat Harnesses are noted to be inferior to MJORNIR as stated in conversations of the Universe. And from the Encyclopedia we learn that Jiralhanae Power Armour doesn’t augment their strength, only boosting durability. In a way it makes sense considering from non-gameplay showings a Brute’s armour and energy shields can withstand a hell of a lot more firepower than an Elites (Maccabeus withstood the concentrated firepower of 24 marines in close quaters, and a Chieftain in Halo: Initiation withstood several rounds from a warthog’s Chaingun and withstood entire clips, of MA5D fire (and Palmer was forced to use a Warthog to kill the beast) while Elite Zealot shields fell after 8-12 MA37 rounds in Reach: Winter Contingency scene, an Ultra dying in a few rounds of MA37 fire in Lone Wolf or two shotgun blasts from Halo 5’s opening cinematic).
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> > > Lets see elites and spartans are evenly matched but if you put augmented into the picture. Elites are gonnal be like the Spartans as Spartan will be like marines.
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> Really, because I can remember the opening of Halo: Ghosts of Onyx quite well (IIIs engaging Elites in CQC and winning). Some Elites are strong enough to compete with Spartans in MJORNIR armour, but certainly not all. I don’t forget, many Spartan vs Elite scenes from the novels involve Spartans in Mark IV/V armour, while Mark VI and beyond augment strength by a factor of 5, not 2.
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> Also, there isn’t any notable differences in strength between a II and IV in MJORNIR armour (out of armour the IIs are superior). In regards to the IIIs, the IIIs were given crap armour (in comparison of the IIs) and most of died at the ages of 10-12, when in The Fall of Reach noted that the Spartans will adjust to the augmentations when times goes on (what time did the IIIs have? They died at the ages of 10-12). Give a III enough experience and equalised gear, I’ll say the IIIs would rival the IIs, if not beat them given their superior training (the IIIs had both Mendez and Kurt, who at this point had experience training the IIs and several classes of IIIs, and hence they would have learnt what worked, what didn’t and how to perfect the training process of the Spartans. Kurt also mentions how Gamma Company are “the finest Spartans ever”).
The III’s success in CQB with the elites was more down to those neurological bypasses they had which made them fight harder when hurt or near death. While the IV’s example Kodiak from hunters in the dark while sparring with N’tho was at best able to keep him locked in a position and never flat out out gauged the elite with strength.
Don’t get me wrong the later batches of Spartans are strong enough to fight with elites and maybe adolescent brutes, however they will never be as powerful as a II.
