just gonna leave this here for whenever you all are ready to share your lists
Lol the Patch just came out I love it, ok these are my predictions Shipmaster,Pavium and Arby SS class then everyone else…
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> Lol the Patch just came out I love it, ok these are my predictions Shipmaster,Pavium and Arby SS class then everyone else…
As an Arbiter main these changes literally make the leader unplayable. You might as well just resign if you haven’t won by the time Ghosts become unviable because everything else is useless without the old one million damage multiplier of CoR.
Hmmm
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> > Lol the Patch just came out I love it, ok these are my predictions Shipmaster,Pavium and Arby SS class then everyone else…
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> As an Arbiter main these changes literally make the leader unplayable. You might as well just resign if you haven’t won by the time Ghosts become unviable because everything else is useless without the old one million damage multiplier of CoR.
hmmmmmmm… I have a very hard time believing this. Let’s give it more then a few hours before we claim Arby went from being banned regularly in competitive tournaments to being bottom tier unplayable.
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> Hmmm
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> > > Lol the Patch just came out I love it, ok these are my predictions Shipmaster,Pavium and Arby SS class then everyone else…
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> > As an Arbiter main these changes literally make the leader unplayable. You might as well just resign if you haven’t won by the time Ghosts become unviable because everything else is useless without the old one million damage multiplier of CoR.
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> hmmmmmmm… I have a very hard time believing this. Let’s give it more then a few hours before we claim Arby went from being banned regularly in competitive tournaments to being bottom tier unplayable.
It’s true. You should just refund everyone the price of the Arbiter DLC and permanently delete him from the game.
/s
Bonkers Tier: Arbiter, Pavium, Shipmaster, Colony
Too strong Tier: Anders, Kinsano, Yapyap, Decimus, Atriox
Balanced Tier: Forge, Cutter, Jerome, Johnson
Why are you even playing these Tier: Serina, Voridus, Isabel
First off Postums thanks for the work you put in, and as for Tiers I think like you said we need to give it some weeks to see what the Meta evolves into.
I played a bunch of customs last night just for fun, didn’t do any testing or anything. The only thing I can say is that Colony’s Goliath’s seem fine whatever changes made didn’t hurt them at all to me.
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> > > Lol the Patch just came out I love it, ok these are my predictions Shipmaster,Pavium and Arby SS class then everyone else…
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> > As an Arbiter main these changes literally make the leader unplayable. You might as well just resign if you haven’t won by the time Ghosts become unviable because everything else is useless without the old one million damage multiplier of CoR.
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> hmmmmmmm… I have a very hard time believing this. Let’s give it more then a few hours before we claim Arby went from being banned regularly in competitive tournaments to being bottom tier unplayable.
Question Postums, will he be allowed in tournaments now? Also will try out some matches with him to give some hopefully good feed back.
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> > > > Lol the Patch just came out I love it, ok these are my predictions Shipmaster,Pavium and Arby SS class then everyone else…
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> > > As an Arbiter main these changes literally make the leader unplayable. You might as well just resign if you haven’t won by the time Ghosts become unviable because everything else is useless without the old one million damage multiplier of CoR.
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> > hmmmmmmm… I have a very hard time believing this. Let’s give it more then a few hours before we claim Arby went from being banned regularly in competitive tournaments to being bottom tier unplayable.
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> Question Postums, will he be allowed in tournaments now? Also will try out some matches with him to give some hopefully good feed back.
That is entirely up to people running tournaments. We do not rule the world for tournament play. I would talk with the people who are running tournaments for a definitive answer on that. What I can say is we noticed a trend that the Arbiter was regularly being banned regularly. So, we talked with the community about possible fixes to bring him down a notch and found a nice middle ground reduction to the effectiveness of him. We will see what the data shows over the next few weeks and how these changes shake things up.
My expectation is the still will be a very solid leader. It’s going to take players some time to adapt to a new style of play for the Arbiter if one is even needed. From actually talking with the community about the Arbiter, a lot of people didn’t even know that the Arbiter’s COR stacked let alone how high the damage and heal was from COR was when we began to start reducing the effectiveness of it back in the Season 10 update.
So - it will take some time, people will yell, we will listen, and if further adjustments are needed or some love to help him out is - we will tackle it. Data is needed in order to make a fully informed opinion on my end. But I believe the changes will inevitably help bring him towards being an acceptable and not OP leader.
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> Bonkers Tier: Arbiter, Pavium, Shipmaster, Colony
> Too strong Tier: Anders, Kinsano, Yapyap, Decimus, Atriox
> Balanced Tier: Forge, Cutter, Jerome, Johnson
> Why are you even playing these Tier: Serina, Voridus, Isabel
Agree mostly, but I really don’t think Colony’s hero opener is good enough to put him alongside Pav, Ship, and Arby. Also, Deci and Trox I think are relatively balanced and Vori belongs in balanced tier. He’s not great and certainly needs help, but he’s not as bad as some think. While I don’t think Cataclysm does enough in late game vs T3 vehicles and air, a timing push with it can end the game. Here’s an example of what I’ve termed the “Catagasm” 
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> > Bonkers Tier: Arbiter, Pavium, Shipmaster, Colony
> > Too strong Tier: Anders, Kinsano, Yapyap, Decimus, Atriox
> > Balanced Tier: Forge, Cutter, Jerome, Johnson
> > Why are you even playing these Tier: Serina, Voridus, Isabel
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> Agree mostly, but I really don’t think Colony’s hero opener is good enough to put him alongside Pav, Ship, and Arby. Also, Deci and Trox I think are relatively balanced and Vori belongs in balanced tier. He’s not great and certainly needs help, but he’s not as bad as some think. While I don’t think it does enough in late game vs T3 vehicles and air, a timing push with it can end the game. Here’s an example of what I’ve termed the “Catagasm”
I disagree with that tier list in many ways. But ehh. I play 3s and most leaders can be viable right now and fulfill a solid role. I dont think colony leader would be that hard to shut down. But ehh
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> Bonkers Tier: Arbiter, Pavium, Shipmaster, Colony
> Too strong Tier: Anders, Kinsano, Yapyap, Decimus, Atriox
> Balanced Tier: Forge, Cutter, Jerome, Johnson
> Why are you even playing these Tier: Serina, Voridus, Isabel
Your tiers make it sound way worse than it is. Everything is pretty close
Arbiter - Doesn’t need touched right now
Pavium - Reduce Burnout effectiveness
Shipmaster - Reduce displacement size slightly and increase cooldown on spirit support
Colony - Undecided on nerfing HC, I want to buff Hunter’s brand slightly
Anders - Reduce discount for upgrades (20%,20%), Increase cost of sentinel network
Kinsano - Increase cooldown on Hog drop by 30 seconds and add power cost, Reduce building damage on inferno and napalm missiles
Yapyap - Doesn’t need touched
Decimus - Increase pop cost of Decimus drop to 12
Atriox - Doesn’t need touched (undecided)
Forge - Allow accelerated assembly to reduce CD and cost on both drops, Increase DPS of Grizzy of main cannon slightly, Increase cooldown of Vehicle Drop by 20 seconds and small power cost
Cutter - Add 90 power cost to ODST drop
Jerome - Decrease cost of hero unit by 25 supply, Reduce pop of Omega Team to 27 (9 each spartan)
Johnson - Buff Siege Turret drop, Make digging in discount Bunkers more
Serina - Seismic blast buffs/changes
Vordius - Make grenadiers better (Give unique damage modifiers), Fix small pool cataclysm glitch
Isabel - Delete from game
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> > 2533274958100139;6:
> > Bonkers Tier: Arbiter, Pavium, Shipmaster, Colony
> > Too strong Tier: Anders, Kinsano, Yapyap, Decimus, Atriox
> > Balanced Tier: Forge, Cutter, Jerome, Johnson
> > Why are you even playing these Tier: Serina, Voridus, Isabel
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> Your tiers make it sound way worse than it is. Everything is pretty close
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> Arbiter - Doesn’t need touched right now
> Pavium - Reduce Burnout effectiveness
> Shipmaster - Reduce displacement size slightly and increase cooldown on spirit support
> Colony - Undecided on nerfing HC, I want to buff Hunter’s brand slightly
> Anders - Reduce discount for upgrades (20%,20%), Increase cost of sentinel network
> Kinsano - Increase cooldown on Hog drop by 30 seconds and add power cost, Reduce building damage on inferno and napalm missiles
> Yapyap - Doesn’t need touched
> Decimus - Increase pop cost of Decimus drop to 12
> Atriox - Doesn’t need touched (undecided)
> Forge - Allow accelerated assembly to reduce CD and cost on both drops, Increase DPS of Grizzy of main cannon slightly, Increase cooldown of Vehicle Drop by 20 seconds and small power cost
> Cutter - Add 90 power cost to ODST drop
> Jerome - Decrease cost of hero unit by 25 supply, Reduce pop of Omega Team to 27 (9 each spartan)
> Johnson - Buff Siege Turret drop, Make digging in discount Bunkers more
> Serina - Seismic blast buffs/changes
> Vordius - Make grenadiers better (Give unique damage modifiers), Fix small pool cataclysm glitch
> Isabel - Delete from game
I actually love the sounds of all of this, except the delete Isabel part
I think Triple Mac will fix that.
Poor Isabel… I think her problem is that her four first LP are mostly irrelevant in the early game, and that UNSC vehicles are pretty meh, especially JR and Scorpions.
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> > Bonkers Tier: Arbiter, Pavium, Shipmaster, Colony
> > Too strong Tier: Anders, Kinsano, Yapyap, Decimus, Atriox
> > Balanced Tier: Forge, Cutter, Jerome, Johnson
> > Why are you even playing these Tier: Serina, Voridus, Isabel
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> Your tiers make it sound way worse than it is. Everything is pretty close
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> Arbiter - Doesn’t need touched right now
> Pavium - Reduce Burnout effectiveness
> Shipmaster - Reduce displacement size slightly and increase cooldown on spirit support
> Colony - Undecided on nerfing HC, I want to buff Hunter’s brand slightly
> Anders - Reduce discount for upgrades (20%,20%), Increase cost of sentinel network
> Kinsano - Increase cooldown on Hog drop by 30 seconds and add power cost, Reduce building damage on inferno and napalm missiles
> Yapyap - Doesn’t need touched
> Decimus - Increase pop cost of Decimus drop to 12
> Atriox - Doesn’t need touched (undecided)
> Forge - Allow accelerated assembly to reduce CD and cost on both drops, Increase DPS of Grizzy of main cannon slightly, Increase cooldown of Vehicle Drop by 20 seconds and small power cost
> Cutter - Add 90 power cost to ODST drop
> Jerome - Decrease cost of hero unit by 25 supply, Reduce pop of Omega Team to 27 (9 each spartan)
> Johnson - Buff Siege Turret drop, Make digging in discount Bunkers more
> Serina - Seismic blast buffs/changes
> Vordius - Make grenadiers better (Give unique damage modifiers), Fix small pool cataclysm glitch
I am a fan of everything on this list. That’s a great breakdown of what every leader needs.
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> Isabel - Delete from game
Something about this one though seems off 
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> Poor Isabel… I think her problem is that her four first LP are mostly irrelevant in the early game, and that UNSC vehicles are pretty meh, especially JR and Scorpions.
Well, she did it to herself. She needs to fix that before she can move on with her life😂
Ok What is the mid season Meta, what units and leaders a you guys making?
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> Ok What is the mid season Meta, what units and leaders a you guys making?
Haven’t played much, but I struggle against Shipmaster when the opponent knows what they are doing. Collecting spirit drops while they harass is difficult to overcome, and that beam hurts still.
i dont know i think kinsano is too weak and needs a buff dont you guys think? lul