So I’m still fairly new to Halo 5, about a month in and I’ve grinded my way to a solo D4 Team Slayer rank and am going for Onyx. However, I can’t help but notice that even though I’ve grinded through gold and plat, I either end up with a team full of them vs diamonds or onyxs or I end up on a team full of diamonds and onyxs vs them. How is this fair to them or me?
Here’s an example my last game was this:
My team - Diamond 6, Onyx, Diamond 4, Diamond 5 all with positive slayer kdas and the D5 with a negative K/D this season.
Their team - Plat 4, D3, Plat 6, SILVER 5 WITH A NEGATIVE K/D AND KDA WHILE IN SILVER (Something unsurprising considering they’re facing Diamond and Onyx level players). The other 3 had positive KDAS and a few negatice K/Ds. Nothing super impressive though to make them go against a team that was so stacked while they had a silver on their side.
I guess my point here is that this matchmaking is rather unfair, it made it annoying to climb out of those lower ranks because I ended up on teams of all gold/plat vs diamonds+ and had to carry and still lose most of those games. Is there no algorithm in place to balance teams?
If you rely on playing with randoms you are going to get random results. If you really want to rank up in the 4v4 playlist you need to find some regular team mates.
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> If you rely on playing with randoms you are going to get random results. If you really want to rank up in the 4v4 playlist you need to find some regular team mates.
That’s not my issue, I’m ranking up just fine. I’m simply confused as to why it would place a silver with a negative kda vs a high ranked team with good kdas and kds. That’s a poor matchmaking system, it can still be random but more fair.
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> That’s not my issue, I’m ranking up just fine. I’m simply confused as to why it would place a silver with a negative kda vs a high ranked team with good kdas and kds. That’s a poor matchmaking system, it can still be random but more fair.
Well 343 has decided that match making times are sometimes more important and if a certain time limit is reached for a player they may get thrown into pretty much any game it seems. They don’t realize that most would rather wait a bit longer for even matches than getting into games quickly.
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> > That’s not my issue, I’m ranking up just fine. I’m simply confused as to why it would place a silver with a negative kda vs a high ranked team with good kdas and kds. That’s a poor matchmaking system, it can still be random but more fair.
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> Well 343 has decided that match making times are sometimes more important and if a certain time limit is reached for a player they may get thrown into pretty much any game it seems. They don’t realize that most would rather wait a bit longer for even matches than getting into games quickly.
That’s a shame, kinda ruins the Halo experience to do that. I miss the Halo 2 ranking system, but maybe I just miss Halo 2 (pretty sure everyone does though).
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> > > That’s not my issue, I’m ranking up just fine. I’m simply confused as to why it would place a silver with a negative kda vs a high ranked team with good kdas and kds. That’s a poor matchmaking system, it can still be random but more fair.
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> > Well 343 has decided that match making times are sometimes more important and if a certain time limit is reached for a player they may get thrown into pretty much any game it seems. They don’t realize that most would rather wait a bit longer for even matches than getting into games quickly.
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> That’s a shame, kinda ruins the Halo experience to do that. I miss the Halo 2 ranking system, but maybe I just miss Halo 2 (pretty sure everyone does though).
Well it had a huge population to choose from, H5 not so much. The one thing you need for a skill based match making system to work 100% is a big population. H5 just doesn’t have it all the time.
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> > > > That’s not my issue, I’m ranking up just fine. I’m simply confused as to why it would place a silver with a negative kda vs a high ranked team with good kdas and kds. That’s a poor matchmaking system, it can still be random but more fair.
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> > > Well 343 has decided that match making times are sometimes more important and if a certain time limit is reached for a player they may get thrown into pretty much any game it seems. They don’t realize that most would rather wait a bit longer for even matches than getting into games quickly.
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> > That’s a shame, kinda ruins the Halo experience to do that. I miss the Halo 2 ranking system, but maybe I just miss Halo 2 (pretty sure everyone does though).
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> Well it had a huge population to choose from, H5 not so much. The one thing you need for a skill based match making system to work 100% is a big population. H5 just doesn’t have it all the time.
Honestly their awful matchmaking is probably part of why the player base is so low. I’m already thinking of switching to battlefield or simply playing FFA only, something I have always hated because Halo has always been a team based game IMO. Facing 3 champions and an onyx who are obviously all a team vs 4 mid diamond random players is where I draw the line.
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> > > > > That’s not my issue, I’m ranking up just fine. I’m simply confused as to why it would place a silver with a negative kda vs a high ranked team with good kdas and kds. That’s a poor matchmaking system, it can still be random but more fair.
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> > > > Well 343 has decided that match making times are sometimes more important and if a certain time limit is reached for a player they may get thrown into pretty much any game it seems. They don’t realize that most would rather wait a bit longer for even matches than getting into games quickly.
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> > > That’s a shame, kinda ruins the Halo experience to do that. I miss the Halo 2 ranking system, but maybe I just miss Halo 2 (pretty sure everyone does though).
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> > Well it had a huge population to choose from, H5 not so much. The one thing you need for a skill based match making system to work 100% is a big population. H5 just doesn’t have it all the time.
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> Honestly their awful matchmaking is probably part of why the player base is so low. I’m already thinking of switching to battlefield or simply playing FFA only, something I have always hated because Halo has always been a team based game IMO. Facing 3 champions and an onyx who are obviously all a team vs 4 mid diamond random players is where I draw the line.
Can’t speak for battlefield, but FFA is my go to list and the matches are still pretty widespread when it comes to player rank. It’s definitely frustrating but the population is so low now that it can’t be helped.
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> That’s a shame, kinda ruins the Halo experience to do that. I miss the Halo 2 ranking system, but maybe I just miss Halo 2 (pretty sure everyone does though).
From what I remember, both 2 and 3 had huge populations to work with and the results were barely any better than what you described above. Halo 3 regularly dumped me into matches where, over the eight players, you would have a minimum fifteen point rank spread. Minimum. Regularly. That was garbage skill matching and Bungie didn’t have a low population to blame it on. Makes me wonder if Destiny is any better… but somehow I doubt it.
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> > That’s not my issue, I’m ranking up just fine. I’m simply confused as to why it would place a silver with a negative kda vs a high ranked team with good kdas and kds. That’s a poor matchmaking system, it can still be random but more fair.
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> Well 343 has decided that match making times are sometimes more important and if a certain time limit is reached for a player they may get thrown into pretty much any game it seems. They don’t realize that most would rather wait a bit longer for even matches than getting into games quickly.
But how much longer would people be willing to wait? It’s apparently already set for the game to attempt to match skill levels (within a specific CSR window) for around 2-3 minutes, after which the game starts widening its matchmaking parameters. While I can’t speak for everyone, I can’t believe that people would be willing to wait 3-5+ minutes just to get that perfect game every single time they go into Ranked matchmaking. If the population is as small as people think, I can’t see this as a realistic way of retaining what’s left.
I’d like to think at some point people would just have to accept that they’re going to get the short end of the stick sometimes, but I’ve come to realize my expectations were far too optimistic lol.
Also, to OP, the reason the Silver wound up in your game is simple: He was most likely partied with someone. That’s the only way someone ranked that low would end up in a game with Diamond-/Plat-tier players.
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> From what I remember, both 2 and 3 had huge populations to work with and the results were barely any better than what you described above. Halo 3 regularly dumped me into matches where, over the eight players, you would have a minimum fifteen point rank spread. Minimum. Regularly. That was garbage skill matching and Bungie didn’t have a low population to blame it on. Makes me wonder if Destiny is any better… but somehow I doubt it.
Might have just been bad luck for you. From what I can remember Halo 3 and Reach were pretty balanced.
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> > > > > > That’s not my issue, I’m ranking up just fine. I’m simply confused as to why it would place a silver with a negative kda vs a high ranked team with good kdas and kds. That’s a poor matchmaking system, it can still be random but more fair.
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> > > > > Well 343 has decided that match making times are sometimes more important and if a certain time limit is reached for a player they may get thrown into pretty much any game it seems. They don’t realize that most would rather wait a bit longer for even matches than getting into games quickly.
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> > > > That’s a shame, kinda ruins the Halo experience to do that. I miss the Halo 2 ranking system, but maybe I just miss Halo 2 (pretty sure everyone does though).
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> > > Well it had a huge population to choose from, H5 not so much. The one thing you need for a skill based match making system to work 100% is a big population. H5 just doesn’t have it all the time.
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> > Honestly their awful matchmaking is probably part of why the player base is so low. I’m already thinking of switching to battlefield or simply playing FFA only, something I have always hated because Halo has always been a team based game IMO. Facing 3 champions and an onyx who are obviously all a team vs 4 mid diamond random players is where I draw the line.
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> Can’t speak for battlefield, but FFA is my go to list and the matches are still pretty widespread when it comes to player rank. It’s definitely frustrating but the population is so low now that it can’t be helped.
You kind of hit the point, 343 has made ranking for Teams, not players. They push that, and customize play for team not players. You want to do good, practice spawn killing and team trap your oppression. Its how Arenas are set up and warzones.
I just played consecutive games in doubles vs a plat 6. I am a gold 6, my teammate was a gold 4. That is ridiculous. I can’t get better if I gotta play people 6 skill levels ahead of me. Such bs. What made Halo 3 great is that it was balanced so you could play randomly and get good matches, ranked of course. If you played social the games could get very ugly fast since it was open to every rank. Honestly, it has to be due to low populations. Gone are those million a day players from Halo 3. We have the 20,000 people of Halo 4. Battlefield 1 is great, generally you are not dealing with tanks and jets and other BS that makes the other BF games hard to play. COD has matching issues like Halo has had. With a general playlist it is open to all skill levels. Games can be stupid varied. The worst Halo 5 list is probably big team. The games are so lopsided now adays that I’ve been on the receiving end of 100-20 games a lot. Warzone gets crazy unbalanced as well. Games going 1000-100 or so. I like battlefield franchise because it rebalances the skill levels between matches. Makes more competitive games. Halo isn’t that lucky because there aren’t 100 lobbies per playlist, only 1. Halo has become a terrible joke. The only fun playlist seems to be free for all. You don’t get excuses there, you either can compete or you can’t.
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I just played a doubles match in which I was pitted against a diamond 4 while I am a gold 6. my teammate was a diamond 1. the fourth player was a diamond 4. What the Yoinking! -Yoink- is that. -Yoink- sakes, can a guy get a -Yoinking!- match that makes sense. why the -Yoink- do I have to play a diamond 4 as a gold 6? that is 10 skill levels higher than me. -Yoink- this stupid matchmaking -Yoink-.
Matchmaking is supposed to be about matching with and against players of a similar skill level, but what is happening doesn’t even come close. Searching balanced puts me against P6, Diamonds or Onyx…switch to focused search and get matched against Champions. Its beyond pathetic.
Dont even get me started on the connection advantage that some of these players have with blatant faster movement, faster shots and bullet magnetism, whilst my spartan trudges around in treacle with no hit detection and instant deaths on melees or grenades.
My “Diamond level player in Doubles” was unranked and hadn’t attained a doubles rank since the January/February 2017 season and hasn’t played any Arena games since those 10 qualifying games back at the start of the year (and we all know that previous ranks have an effect on qualifying ranks despite not playing for a long time). Again, that is no justification considering we are told MMR is the deciding factor in matchmaking not visible CRS rank…and even I can get to P6 Slayer or D1 SWAT which are his current levels after his 10 qualifying games in each of those playlists this season. This is about low levels being matched against high level players rather than who you get to play with in matchmaking.
That MMR carries over so yes it does matter. He was unranked this season but is probably tracking Diamond level again.
You’ve been told there’s a way for you to control who you match with. You’ve also been told why things are the way they are, or where to find that information.
Continuing to complain is going to get you no where until you read those threads and understand what’s at play.