MatchMaking: Full teams vs randoms = bad matching

Multiplayer matching in halo 5 seriously needs updated. I have no idea how many times i face full teams in warzone/arena when i play alone. There needs to be stuff in the works to make teams face teams and people who play by themselves play other single players. So many loses and nonstop matching full teams seriously was turning me away from the game. Luckily i have good friends that always are in full lobbies but that is besides the point.

The fact that this system even exists is a HUGE problem. A full team vs a team of randoms or even a couple small group of 2’s will lose every single time. If i play alone then i should only find others playing alone.

Why is halo 5 so hard to enjoy when you play alone or with a few friends? Why isnt there a social btb or social ctf/slayer? I know social is coming out but i have friends that dont even want to play because of not wanting to play with a full team everytime, constant losing and mainly because all the teams we face in a party of 3.

Am i the only one that gets annoyed by this? Please fix this 343i.

I don’t mind in Warzone because it is more of a casual experience with JIP and no team killing. Would be basically impossible to try and match teams evenly with people coming and going all the time. I enjoy Warzone and try not to take it so serious since it is an overall casual experience.

It would probably take me half an hour to find a game then… they know they can’t implement this needed feature, because the population sucks already and long searchtimes would drive away people even more.

I can’t disagree to this. I want to play with the feeling that I am a good player, but I can’t because I’m playing against people that are way more skilled than me.
I don’t want to feel like complete crap after losing a game.
343 should definitely make full teams go against other full teams.
And they should also make players fight against other players having the same rank, or skill.

I agree with this 100%.

Have a look at my last 20 games, its painfull. Last week was even worse. I had a W/L of 67% two weeks ago playing mostly solo and now its gone into freefall lol.

I think the population has taken a massive hit, hopefully by Christmas time, things will level out.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m still having a blast. Guess I need to work on being a little more sociable.

I can agree OP it must be frustrating for the enemy team. As sometimes for the quick req points I jump in with sometimes a full party of 12 Warzone Assault. On some occasions we can steam roll the enemy team from start to finish in around 3 minutes without cheating.

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> Have a look at my last 20 games, its painfull. Last week was even worse. I had a W/L of 67% two weeks ago playing mostly solo and now its gone into freefall lol.
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> I think the population has taken a massive hit, hopefully by Christmas time, things will level out.
> Don’t get me wrong, I’m still having a blast. Guess I need to work on being a little more sociable.

Exactly why I do not worry about W/L or K/D. Especially in Warzone. If you focus too much on your stats, you are only going to make it a miserable gaming experience. You are not getting beat up in school over your stats are you? I sure hope that is not a thing these days. lol

I don’t know how many times people have to say it, but the Social playlists are coming, but they said themselves it’s not like turning on a switch because the whole game/servers were designed around matching competitively & ranks. It’s just gonna take a little time. I also agree that maybe the biggest a party should be allowed to enter a gametype like Warzone is 6 to 8 players. I think each team should have to have a couple randoms, but what do I know. I do know it’s really no fun late at night playing the same parties of 12 over & over.

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> Exactly why I do not worry about W/L or K/D. Especially in Warzone. If you focus too much on your stats, you are only going to make it a miserable gaming experience. You are not getting beat up in school over your stats are you? I sure hope that is not a thing these days. lol

haha, no, I finished school a looooong time ago. I sure hope kids aren’t getting beat up over stats too, it’s been a while since I’ve been on a playground, I’m out of the loop.
I’d better consult my daughter XD

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I don’t care if it’s against the rules, 343 must fix this.

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im the only one who isnt allowed to bump i think, right?

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my post got edited by the monitor because its spam lmao

For warzone I don’t really see the problem, for ranked games I agree with you though. Searching solo is like asking to have your rating smashed, and it is. Which had 343 developed a better game you’d see more players playing it and they wouldn’t need to implement a matchmaking workaround that allowed games to be made when much fewer people play the game.

TL;DR version: 343 did it because they knew they were making a bad game.

I get the same feeling you do, but really it shouldn’t be 343’s job to make a new system because some people can’t play the lone wolf in a team style. I usually play solo because it’s hard for me and me fire-team to all have free time for it, but I still lead the team or do really well, granted when we do get together it is a much better experience. You either need to learn to play the lone wolf or learn to assimilate into a group. You guys need to stop worrying about stats and just play the objectives.

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> Why is halo 5 so hard to enjoy when you play alone or with a few friends? Why isnt there a social btb or social ctf/slayer?

You’re confusing two different problems here. If social play lists use the exact same ranking mechanism and the exact same matchmaking mechanism as the ranked play lists (with the only difference being that the ranks are not visible) then the problem will persist and the results will be exactly the same.

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> It would probably take me half an hour to find a game then… they know they can’t implement this needed feature, because the population sucks already and long searchtimes would drive away people even more.

While it would be a good idea to have better matchmaking as suggested the search times would be too long.

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But you see my CSR will NOT be the same in social because I will not care about winning. There will be no pressure on friends that go 2-15 because we don’t care if we win. With JIP you don’t have to worry about losing a game you joined half over. There is a big difference.

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> But you see my CSR will NOT be the same in social because I will not care about winning. There will be no pressure on friends that go 2-15 because we don’t care if we win. With JIP you don’t have to worry about losing a game you joined half over. There is a big difference.

I get it. You’re not saying the the mis-matching will go away, you’re just saying that it won’t matter as much?

This is just something that happens in halo. It’s the Bane of the solo BtB player, trust me.

Organized teams stomping randoms are as old as halo matchmaking itself. It sucks, because I’m usually the random, and I’m a good player so its even more frustrating to get on a team of other (bad typical) randoms and proceed to get stomped. But it’s something is accept playing halo solo after so many years haha.

Not to bring this game up but call of duty has a match type for that where no teams are allowed. Single players only to make teams.