In the mission “Reunion” Master Chief is called Warrior-Servant by the Warden Eternal. A warrior-servant is a class of forerunner, so why did Warden call him like that? Better yet, why did 343 Guilty Spark call MC forerunner in Halo 3?
Maybe the whole 'Master Chief is Iso-Didact theory has some truth to it, especially considering that the Didact is a Warrior-Servant as well.
Bungie originally intended Forerunners to be humans, hence Guilty Spark in Halo 3. I don’t remember what 343i’s explanation is.
Warden may have called him that for lack of a better title to call him by, perhaps?
going as far back as Halo CE: 343GS made some interesting observations in The Library mission about Chief and his weapons that will back up a lot of the current theories.
honestly it cant be RetConned because John-117 was part of the spartan project as a child and was not imprinted with the iso-didacts genes until he came in contact with the librarian on Requiem. if there is any stretch to make the connection as far back as H3 it would have to do with Chief’s unconscious connection to the Domain (when he can see visions of cortana and the gravemind) as well as the librarian “planting the seeds” in Human DNA that have a vicarious effect/connection to forerunners
as for 343GS calling Chief, Forerunner: GS was showing signs of rampancy in the Anniversary Terminals so he might have deluded himself into thinking Chief was a Forerunner that survived and came to follow protocol just as the original Forerunners did.
The Librarian simply “accelerated the Master Chiefs genetic evolution, awakening something in his genes that she put there long ago”. He is imprinted with the geas of the Iso-Didact, Guilty-Spark knew/detected this and assumed that John would remember. This is why he asked him why he was hesitating to do what he had already done back in Halo:CE. John has a path laid before him that he will probably never be able to deviate from. We will eventually find out who he really is in game, but it is already there for us; you just have to dig.
I’m not very good on lore so I couldn’t say.
If Master Chief is a funhouse mirror image of the Didact, does that make Cortana the analog of the Librarian?
I’m only just now digging into the Forerunner saga (Cryptum) but if the Lifeshapers can plan out evolutionary paths for entire species, have they also been planning for the Created…?
Light bulb called chief a forerunner in halo 3 because Bungie was planning on ancient humans to be the forerunners. Then 343 cane along and everything else happened. But chief was always the Iso 343 just clarifyed it.
> Warden may have called him that for lack of a better title to call him by, perhaps?
This. I wouldn’t over think it.
Warden is comparing Chief to something familiar.
John was NOT stated to be “imprinted with the Didact’s genes”. This is something that people seem to be making up.
Warden refers to him as such because that’s the term he uses… A warrior-servant: a soldier, a warrior.
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> If Master Chief is a funhouse mirror image of the Didact, does that make Cortana the analog of the Librarian?
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> I’m only just now digging into the Forerunner saga (Cryptum) but if the Lifeshapers can plan out evolutionary paths for entire species, have they also been planning for the Created…?
I have said this for along time. Wait till you finish Silentium it will be clear.
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> John was NOT stated to be “imprinted with the Didact’s genes”. This is something that people seem to be making up.
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> Warden refers to him as such because that’s the term he uses… A warrior-servant: a soldier, a warrior.
NO but you can assume that that some sort of his genes are of the ISO-didact, the librarian merely strengthened them, this can be assumed because of 343 GS claiming chief fired the rings once before (ISO did this) he recognized the genes inside chief. People are not making up information they are just making conclusions based off of the information given to us from IN game as well as external sources
Could we be talking about who chief’s ancestors are? When I say this maybe he is a descendant of some famous forerunner i.e. didact or something like that
This is also one of the reasons that chief should have had more spotlight over Locke in the campaign
Everyone on this forum may hate on me for this comment but I feel it may lead to some answers.
The Halo franchise follows very closely to the Greek, Norse, and most of all Christianity. What I am implying is that the answer may be in the Bible (ik give me a second to explain).
If you dont already know John 117 is actually a Bible quote: John 1:17- “For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.” Jesus Christ=Master Chief? I dont want to jump to conclusions yet but this seems close.
There are many Biblical references in the franchise, such as the Flood and Covenant, but I’m going to stick to the ones that may be relevant.
If you read the book of Daniel, or just research the references, it is the story of Halo 2 and most of Halo 3.
There are also many many references to the Book of Revelations (mainly Reach and the Covenant civil war) and Isaiah (mainly Halo 3).
I have only really researched this topic according to the original trilogy and reach and lore of that era, but I have started to with the Forerunner trilogy and the new era and am thinking that the Librarian may be the Holy Spirit or Mary as she came to John. If I am correct, and if John is Jesus, could that make the Didact, God? The Trinity states that Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and God are one, so John and Didact could be related in some way. If the librarian is Mary than she is the spouse of the Didact as Mary is God’s “wife” and they all would still be related.
I don’t mean any offense if anyone is not Catholic or Christian. Thank you.
Before Halo 5 dropped I didn’t buy into the whole MC Iso-Didact thing.
But after the events of Halo 5. Chief feeling betrayed by the UNSC, in search of Rouge Cortana who is now in control of the domain and all things forerunner.
The theory has been picking up a lot of momentum.
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> Everyone on this forum may hate on me for this comment but I feel it may lead to some answers.
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> The Halo franchise follows very closely to the Greek, Norse, and most of all Christianity. What I am implying is that the answer may be in the Bible (ik give me a second to explain).
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> If you dont already know John 117 is actually a Bible quote: John 1:17- “For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.” Jesus Christ=Master Chief? I dont want to jump to conclusions yet but this seems close.
> There are many Biblical references in the franchise, such as the Flood and Covenant, but I’m going to stick to the ones that may be relevant.
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> If you read the book of Daniel, or just research the references, it is the story of Halo 2 and most of Halo 3.
> There are also many many references to the Book of Revelations (mainly Reach and the Covenant civil war) and Isaiah (mainly Halo 3).
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> I have only really researched this topic according to the original trilogy and reach and lore of that era, but I have started to with the Forerunner trilogy and the new era and am thinking that the Librarian may be the Holy Spirit or Mary as she came to John. If I am correct, and if John is Jesus, could that make the Didact, God? The Trinity states that Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and God are one, so John and Didact could be related in some way. If the librarian is Mary than she is the spouse of the Didact as Mary is God’s “wife” and they all would still be related.
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> I don’t mean any offense if anyone is not Catholic or Christian. Thank you.
interesting tie ins, Im not religious but Im all for people coming up with theories and thats an interesting and relatively well thought out analyses. I dont really think its what they are going for but hey who knows, may change.
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> > Everyone on this forum may hate on me for this comment but I feel it may lead to some answers.
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> > The Halo franchise follows very closely to the Greek, Norse, and most of all Christianity. What I am implying is that the answer may be in the Bible (ik give me a second to explain).
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> > If you dont already know John 117 is actually a Bible quote: John 1:17- “For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.” Jesus Christ=Master Chief? I dont want to jump to conclusions yet but this seems close.
> > There are many Biblical references in the franchise, such as the Flood and Covenant, but I’m going to stick to the ones that may be relevant.
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> > If you read the book of Daniel, or just research the references, it is the story of Halo 2 and most of Halo 3.
> > There are also many many references to the Book of Revelations (mainly Reach and the Covenant civil war) and Isaiah (mainly Halo 3).
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> > I have only really researched this topic according to the original trilogy and reach and lore of that era, but I have started to with the Forerunner trilogy and the new era and am thinking that the Librarian may be the Holy Spirit or Mary as she came to John. If I am correct, and if John is Jesus, could that make the Didact, God? The Trinity states that Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and God are one, so John and Didact could be related in some way. If the librarian is Mary than she is the spouse of the Didact as Mary is God’s “wife” and they all would still be related.
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> > I don’t mean any offense if anyone is not Catholic or Christian. Thank you.
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> interesting tie ins, Im not religious but Im all for people coming up with theories and thats an interesting and relatively well thought out analyses. I dont really think its what they are going for but hey who knows, may change.
as for the actually quotes i mentioned bungie confirmed this as they use direct quotes from the bible and said its the point. If you look a lot deeper into the stuff i mentioned and didnt mention you will see that each game follows the bible, same for the lore. what is speculation and not confirmed is what i mentioned at the end. that is my analysis and has not been confirmed.
here is a link to one of my many sources (im only giving one cuz most people probably dont care enough but if you want more ill link them)
http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_references_to_religion_in_Halo
I’m only about halfway into Cryptum but I can already draw a few arbitrary parallels between the Didact and MC, as well as the Librarian and Cortana.
The Didact and MC go off on rogue missions to find answers to questions propped up by the Librarian and Cortana (respectively). Both take their own “teams” and play their cards close to their chest, and both carry the weight of many subordinates around with them, not to mention the fate of their entire species (that’s the sense I get with the Didact, anyway). The Librarian and Cortana both see something of value in humans as a species despite being superior in a number of ways.
Running somewhat parallel but in the opposite direction, the Didact is the aggressive warrior working to stop the seemingly benevolent Librarian from achieving her endgame, where Master Cheif is the benevolent warrior working to stop the aggressive Cortana from achieving her endgame.
The thing that gets me about the Didact is his moniker. The word “didact” means “instructor” (or simply “one who is didactic” which is the worst definition ever, thanks, internet). If he was a Warrior-Servant – generally seen as a necessary but unsavory caste, how did he become known as [what essentially means] “Teacher” by his own people, and famous enough to have carried that moniker into generations far ahead of his own? (And Forerunners live for a long, long time.) Is it just sarcasm?
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lol time to start reading Spartan