What is the balls was the new Vidoc about? Seriously? Master Chief just follows orders and isn’t capable of thinking for himself? Whatever. I could give you thirty examples of how that isn’t true. When he was growing up he schooled all of the other kids at literally everything he did. Was the UNSC telling him how to operate then? When he led Blue Team was he being submissive and following orders that he knew were wrong? In Halo 4, the game that these ignorant developers made, Master Chief stands up to Del Rio because he is going to get them all killed. Of course Master Chief is capable of thinking for himself and to imply that Locke is the antithesis of him because Locke actually thinks about who he’s shooting is absolute nonsense. Please don’t let these people talk about my childhood like that. This is like Michael Bay defecating on Transformers but ten times worse because at least those movies didn’t have awful AI. Then you go and say that Halo 4 was a good game and Halo 5 is a kinda step up from that. Well, that doesn’t make me want to play the game at all. Halo 4 was a good game (ish) but to say that it was a good Halo game is asinine. If 5 is anything like 4 I’m not pre-ordering it or even purchasing it. There are so many reasons why Halo 4 was not a Halo game but Bungie would have to swoop in and tell you everything you did wrong in order for you to understand because you don’t even listen to the people paying your bills (us). I had hoped to get a degree in computer science and then theoretical physics and come work for 343 but why would I do that when 343 shoots down everything I say? I tried being nice but I’m sick of it. The pro team needs to grow a pair and say, “This sucks.” Nobody can tell Slipknot that their new album is garbage so they go around talking about how great it is and it seems 343 is no different. Learn from your mistakes or you will indeed die from them. Hopefully 5 is a full departure from 4, and if it’s not, I’ll see all of you in Bungie’s next game because they have learned from the failures of Destiny.
Um, yeah, for most of their military career the Spartans were essentially just machines who followed orders. Obviously Chief has his own ideas now and I think 343’s actions speak for themselves based on the story. He has gone AWOL, he is activating the Guardians, he is pursuing his own agenda. But I guess it is easier to be mad over imagined grievances rather than actually thinking, so have fun with Bungie’s next game.
@OP quite a focused manifesto you got there. /s
I hope you know that you just don’t have a grasp on Halo. If you read the books you’d know that the Spartans do think for themselves and are the brightest minds that the UNSC has to offer. If you knew anything about what they were capable in terms of coordinating offensives, interpreting their enemies, cooperating with “heretic” Elites, and basically just anything at all then you wouldn’t say that Halo 5 is when Master Chief grew a brain.
Master Chief has followed orders his WHOLE LIFE. He does whatever he’s told. Then, in Halo 4, he directly disobeys orders from a high-ranking official for the first time. Cortana dies with her last words being “Wake up, John”. She’s telling him to stop being a machine. Master Chief gets paired up with Blue Team, and for some secret reason, they go AWOL. Master Chief and the last Spartan 2s leave the UNSC to go awaken the Guardians. He is thinking for himself and must decide what he and his team does now. Locke, someone who was a vigilante-sort of person, is now working under orders to retrieve Blue Team. We’ll have to wait and see what happens when he meets them.
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You all can ride 343’s shaft all you want if that makes you feel any better but just know that these people who don’t know anything about Halo are making your game. Joseph Staten would never say that Locke is more intelligent than Chief because he knows who he’s shooting. Master Chief is supposed to be the collective intelligence of every player and more. He knows more about the Covenant because of Cortana than Locke learned in the entirety of his career.
You know I would actually say that Locke would be more likely not to think for himself. Nightfall established him as a “follow orders to the letter” kind of guy.
That’s where I hope Buck comes in, the wiser more experienced soldier offering advice.
Two observations: 1) Not quite sure about OP’s reading comprehension, and 2) the tangled mess of a noodle that led us to all of those topics in a single mess is incredible.
10/10, would read more.
Seriously, Cortana is essentially beyond a quantum computer and has more processing power than the entirety of this modern world and she’s taught Chief even more than he learned throughout his youth. If Master Chief is such an idiot then why didn’t he shoot the Arbiter in the beginning of Halo 3? All it took was Johnson saying that he was on their side now for Master Chief to learn and adapt. If it were up to UNSC brass the Elites would have been eradicated. There are parallels between Halo and real life if you’re smart enough to find them. Snowden was special ops and he sure as balls thinks for himself. He knew more about his enemy than they even did. Get out of here with that “Master Chief solely follows orders” -Yoink-. Cortana and Chief directly disobey orders a number of times in their history and they understand the Covenant way better than these newbies like Palmer who uses racist and xenophobic remarks when referring to Elites. Locke is no different. He probably views the Arbiter as a means to and end while Chief calls him a brother. Who’s more open-minded in that situation?
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I mean, if you can’t read that’s cool, I guess.
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You managed to pluck one line from a vidoc, remove the context, and let it contradict the entirety of what 343 has done to the Chief’s character over the last few years. Yet I can’t read? Stellar.
If 343 is making John an unthinking robot, why would he defy Captain del Rio regarding the Didact? Why go AWOL in Halo 5? Sure seems 343 is creating a John that is objectively minded yet not blindly following orders.
On the contrary, Bungie’s Master Chief nearly wiped out the galaxy by blindly following the instructions of 343 Guilty Spark on Installation 04.
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But yes, tell us about how you’re going to go over to Bungie’s next game, and how it will have such rich and deeply complicated characters. Hey, maybe the main character will at one point ask, “Why did you bring me back from the dead to mercilessly slaughter enemies of 4 separate races?”
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Game. Set. Match.
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> But yes, tell us about how you’re going to go over to Bungie’s next game, and how it will have such rich and deeply complicated characters. Hey, maybe the main character will at one point ask, “Why did you bring me back from the dead to mercilessly slaughter enemies of 4 separate races?”
Don’t forget the fact that two of those races could ally with humanity if they wanted but humans are too afraid to do anything but shoot and kill. Seriously the Fallen had the Traveler before us and Cabal are fleeing from Oryx and his army! They are doing the same thing ancient humans did with the Forerunners when the Flood attacked.
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> Don’t forget the fact that two of those races could ally with humanity if they wanted but humans are too afraid to do anything but shoot and kill. Seriously the Fallen had the Traveler before us and Cabal are fleeing from Oryx and his army! They are doing the same thing ancient humans did with the Forerunners when the Flood attacked.
There’s a ton of different directions Bungie can take Destiny, if they’d just pick one.
343 doesn’t seem to be burdened down by the same constraint that prevents that decision from being made. They’ve zeroed in on a direction they want to take the story, it has their own, distinct imprint, and they’re running with it. While I have some micro issues with it all, I appreciate the decision.
Chief has always had a personality, yes even before 343, yes 343 knows Chief and his team can think. They meant chief is the kind of guy who gets the mission done no matter the cost, not having morality be the main focus.
They hammer this so hard because chief is doing his own thing in this game.
Now that I think about it this image could represent the objectives of the teams in this game. Chief could be on the red spectrum because he is a hardwired soldier, but appears blue with his team because they are doing the “right” thing and going against orders. While locke is blue because he is more human, but red with his team because they are directly following orders.
TL;DR: 343 is killing Halo, Bungie was way better, blah blah blah.
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Shots fired.
> I hope you know that you just don’t have a grasp on Halo. If you read the books you’d know that the Spartans do think for themselves and are the brightest minds that the UNSC has to offer. If you knew anything about what they were capable in terms of coordinating offensives, interpreting their enemies, cooperating with “heretic” Elites, and basically just anything at all then you wouldn’t say that Halo 5 is when Master Chief grew a brain.
All that is true…within the context of following the orders of the UNSC and killing -Yoink- that needed killing.
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You’re using an example pre-training to make a point?
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He didn’t question them to wonder if they were wrong. The innies were a threat to the UNSC and had to be defeated.
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> If Master Chief is such an idiot then why didn’t he shoot the Arbiter in the beginning of Halo 3? All it took was Johnson saying that he was on their side now for Master Chief to learn and adapt. If it were up to UNSC brass the Elites would have been eradicated. He knew more about his enemy than they even did.
Your analysis of this scene is odd, as it actually backs up other people in this thread. People are saying he’s not an idiot, but that he follows orders with little question. This scene is a perfect example of that. Johnson updates him that the current orders with elites are to work with them, not shoot them, and he stands down. He doesn’t question, and he doesn’t get even comment on how the Arbiter is the one who glassed Reach.
The UNSC was working with the elites thanks to Johnson and presumably some communication with Hood. It wasn’t chief who brokered the agreement.
The UNSC has defined his enemies and allies in the past, and this scene is just updating him.
I, too, would be as angry as the OP if I willfully misinterpreted what people say in order to be upset.
Bungie regularly characterized the Chief as a blank slate that followed orders. He never disobeyed orders in the original trilogy.
343 is showing that the Master Chief is thinking outside of his orders, including his insubordination when Del Rios asks for Cortana to dispose of her.
Just for fun, I would like to see any proof of the Master Chief disobeying orders in anything Bungie created. Take your time, I’m patient.
I would like to say OP you are kinda overreacting. 343 shows Master Chief thinks for himself but what they are trying to say is that Chief gets the job done. He was trained to listen to his superiors and do what the mission is. He does not question his missions usually but he will in certain times disobey or disagree with orders. 343 has shown this with del Rio and Bungie shows this when he believes in Cortana and is against Hood’s decision of leaving Earth and going to the ark in Halo 3 (omg he disobeyed Hood twice, wow Hood has no authority over chief :P).
In comparison to Locke, Chief probably doesn’t think for himself really. Spartan IIs are a whole other breed in comparison to the IVs. The IIs grew up with the mission first on their mind, while the IVs are humans that grew up in normal social settings that were later recruited into the program. Chief would probably take the best calculated outcome, while Locke would think more about feelings and what real humans would do (not that chief is an alien but you get what I mean). It is not an insult to Chief and 343 is actually exploring Chief’s transition as a person and on how he fits in the whole humanity scheme.