So I have xbox.com open right now, and centre-stage is John landing on/in Requiem with the FUD and Covie ships falling apart around him.
Underneath are the taglines:
> Master Chief returns to battle and ancient evil.
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> Humanity and the Universe will never be the same again.
Great way to make a mockery of Halo 2’s tagline, MS: ‘Earth will never be the same. And now something of a larger scale, at least in the future, I mean at present Earth is bigger than mankind but whatevz, space exploration and all that.’
Secondly, and on a more serious note, I hopped on to my American account yesterday, and saw, on a Dashboard ad featuring dat boxart, that this ancient enemy will be seeking ‘vengeance’.
Now, correct me if I’m wrong, but the only enemy that could possibly fulfil both criteria of being ancient and mankind’s foes are, ta-da! The Forerunners. Because the Precursors and mankind never did battle. That said, I’m sure the Precursors have some gripe or other with humanity. If not, they’ll probably find some reason.
While I agree that only the forerunners themselves would have any potential for personal beef with humans; the precursors did want vengeance against the forerunners and we are kind of their children as it were, we were the race they chose to pick up their legacy. The ally of my enemy is my enemy all the same.
> While I agree that only the forerunners themselves would have any potential for personal beef with humans; the precursors did want vengeance against the forerunners and we are kind of their children as it were, we were the race they chose to pick up their legacy. The ally of my enemy is my enemy all the same.
I was wondering if that could be a reason. That said, the Precursors originally chose humanity as the (next) holders of the Mantle, and the Forerunners rebelled because of this. It was only the Librarian’s love for humanity, and, as an extrapolation, the Didact’s, the Prometheans’, the Warrior-Servants’ and ultimately the entire Forerunner civilisation’s recognition of their own sins, that put humanity on the pedestal as the Reclaimers.
Or it could be a powerful new faction that was sealed away on Requiem and now - after being unleashed - seeks vengeance on those who placed them there…along with the entire universe, just 'cause.
I dunno; the proposition of yet another faction in this Universe seems unusual, given that there are two large ones that we’ve yet to physically see in the games.
Indeed. Given all the backstory they’ve given as far as precursors and forerunners are concerned, it’d be pretty boring if none of that actually had anything to do with what’s going to happen in H4.
The precursors did say we would be tested but…not sure how that ties in to vengeance.
My personal theory is that a band of forerunners (led by the master builder) is holding the vendetta against humanity, but ultimately they’re just working for the precursors.
I think that the enemies are the Precursors. They were trapped by the Forerunners in a massive war. Even if Humans were their original choice for The Mantle (Where was this stated anyways?), they would be mad. I know I would if I was stuck for billions of years in a prison.
> I think that the enemies are the Precursors. They were trapped by the Forerunners in a massive war. Even if Humans were their original choice for The Mantle (Where was this stated anyways?), they would be mad. I know I would if I was stuck for billions of years in a prison.
But why would they be mad at humans? We didn’t do a thing to them.
Can’t be forrunners. Click on the link on xbox.com, Vengeance and annihalation.
I dont know about you guys, but i thought the forrunners were the ones who sent pods off to the planets after whiping the galaxy of all sentient life so that life can continue onward. It just doesnt sound like them to save a race like the humans so that they can go and destroy them when the time comes.
> Can’t be forrunners. Click on the link on xbox.com, Vengeance and annihalation.
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> I dont know about you guys, but i thought the forrunners were the ones who sent pods off to the planets after whiping the galaxy of all sentient life so that life can continue onward. It just doesnt sound like them to save a race like the humans so that they can go and destroy them when the time comes.
Human-San 'Shyuum alliance disagree with you.
> My personal theory is that a band of forerunners (led by the master builder) is holding the vendetta against humanity, but ultimately they’re just working for the precursors.
That’d make a half-decent twist; considering that Faber was presumed dead on Installation 07… wait, isn’t that the ring on which most of Primordium happens? It could very well be that the Timeless One saved Faber and now Faber is working for the Precursors…?
> I think that the enemies are the Precursors. They were trapped by the Forerunners in a massive war.
What do you mean ‘trapped’? The Precursors fled to another galaxy when they realised their defeat was inevitable.
> Even if Humans were their original choice for The Mantle (Where was this stated anyways?)
Pretty sure the Timeless One tells Bornstellar-Didact this near the end of Primordium.
I haven’t read any of the Forerunner Saga books yet and have done little research on the 100,000 years before the Human-Covvie war, so my knowledge may be a little off. If it is, please correct me.
I’m thinking we’ll be fighting the Forerunners the same way we’ll be fighting the leftovers of the Covenant. Split in two with different beliefs and goals. If my knowledge is correct, the Didact liked the humans, so he’ll probably take our side. The rest of the Forerunners might be P.O.'d that we blew up two Halo rings and essentially stole their thunder, so they might be the new threat.
Or, I may be totally incorrect and we’ll be fighting the Precursors. The only reason I can think of that made the Precursors upset is that they want vengeance on the Forerunners for the whole genocide/Flood deal. We’ll be caught in the crossfire because we’re technically Forerunners ourselves, or so I’ve read.
Or we may even have to fight the armies of the evil flying intergalactic spaghetti monster.
> we’re technically Forerunners ourselves, or so I’ve read.
You read incorrectly.
> Or we may even have to fight the armies of the evil flying intergalactic spaghetti monster.
I’ve seen His Noodly Appendage. It’s a weapon to be feared.
I thought the Precursors liked the Humans and had no beef with them right?
I wanna join their side and kick some Forerunner–Yoink-!
They might get away with having a faction being antagonistic, such as the Master Builder and whatever followers he somehow manages to persuade to join his cause, but it would be pretty sloppy writing if it turns out that the Forerunners in general are our enemies.
No matter what happens though, I can’t help but feel that shooting at Forerunners and simply killing them as we would do with Elites and Brutes will be an assault upon their dignity and persona. From the presence of their technology in the first 3 games, they were a mysterious and advanced civilization. Nothing will destroy that paradigm more than gunning one of them down with an MA5.
> > Can’t be forrunners. Click on the link on xbox.com, Vengeance and annihalation.
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> > I dont know about you guys, but i thought the forrunners were the ones who sent pods off to the planets after whiping the galaxy of all sentient life so that life can continue onward. It just doesnt sound like them to save a race like the humans so that they can go and destroy them when the time comes.
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> Human-San 'Shyuum alliance disagree with you.
How does it disagree with him?