Is there any explanation as to why blues team has the same armor style as master chiefs? Wasn’t chiefs designed by cortana?
how did they get similar armor to his? The only explanation I can think of is that people noticed he looked different when being debriefed and when he took off his armor cortana probably left schematics on his suit to his new design and changed the rest of the spartan 2’s mark vi armor, Either that or artistic freedom.
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> Either that or artistic freedom.
You basically answered your own question.
Regarding canon, we can assume that they upgraded their armour, to resemble GEN-2 variants. There hasn’t been a specific explanation given yet, though.
Didn’t Catalog explain this a while back? I don’t remember exactly but it was something about how Chief’s armor upgrade was shared with blue team. Here’s what I found on Halopedia." A post by Catalog suggests that Blue Team has received similar upgrades (perhaps for the second generation of Mark VI) due to their priority access to new equipment," So the UNSC probably saw Chief’s new armor upgrade and shared it with Blue team.
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> Didn’t Catalog explain this a while back? I don’t remember exactly but it was something about how Chief’s armor upgrade was shared with blue team. Here’s what I found on Halopedia." A post by Catalog suggests that Blue Team has received similar upgrades (perhaps for the second generation of Mark VI) due to their priority access to new equipment," So the UNSC probably saw Chief’s new armor upgrade and shared it with Blue team.
Query: In Halo: Escalation #8, Blue team is seen wearing MJOLNIR armour resembling the custom upgrades used by John-117. What is the reason for this change?
Query Answer: Available information indicates [praetorian] Human [exploratii] units have priority access to incremental [combat skin] updates.
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> > Didn’t Catalog explain this a while back? I don’t remember exactly but it was something about how Chief’s armor upgrade was shared with blue team. Here’s what I found on Halopedia." A post by Catalog suggests that Blue Team has received similar upgrades (perhaps for the second generation of Mark VI) due to their priority access to new equipment," So the UNSC probably saw Chief’s new armor upgrade and shared it with Blue team.
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> Query: In Halo: Escalation #8, Blue team is seen wearing MJOLNIR armour resembling the custom upgrades used by John-117. What is the reason for this change?
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> http://www.halopedia.org/Catalog/Archive
Thank you, I couldn’t remember what Catalog said, It was driving me crazy.
Well probably was mostly about getting upgrades to GEN-2 armor and keeping up with the newest armor.
John’s based around a mark IV variant…
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> John’s based around a mark IV variant…
Is it? I thought that opening cutscene is completely non-canon, meaning that that armor really isn’t based on the Mk IV, but rather is just completely custom made by Cortana.
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Its a nano up grade of the the Mark VI guys. It is possible to unlock a variation John’s classic Mark VI armor in Halo 4 multiplayer by completing the campaign on Legendary difficulty. While this armor resembles the armor featured in Halo 2 and 3 a great deal more than the armor featured in Halo 4’s campaign
Info from the essential visual guide of halo 4 I believe. Upgraded in cryo and Cortana probably used that one mark IV as a template.
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> Info from the essential visual guide of halo 4 I believe. Upgraded in cryo and Cortana probably used that one mark IV as a template.
This is the same Visual Guide that has created numerous canonical inaccuracies. The Essential Visual Guide establishes that John’s suit’s superficial upgrades are based on a variant of the Mark IV, retroactively indicating that the suits seen in the Prologue are in fact this particular variant Mark IV. The suits are nonetheless depicted with energy shields, though MJOLNIR energy shield tests had begun as early as 2531. Which conflicts with the Mark IV seen in Halo:FuD and Harvest conflict (halo wars).
Wow. There’s like, no conflict at all with what you said.
The Visual Guide hasn’t created “so many inaccuracies”. It may be complicated to understand, but there’s not inconsistency.
The FUD Mark IV, the Halo Wars Mark IV and the Prologue Mark IV are all different iterations of the Mark IV platform. In Halo Wars and the Prologue, the armors have prototypical energy shields (it exists since 2531; source Halo The Essential Visual Guide). The real world explanation is that 343i took artistic freedom and/or had development constraints (source: Josh Holmes), so they were “forced” to do the Prologue the way it is. However, it is still confirmed that there is an in-universe explanation: John’s armor in Halo 4 was modified by nanobots with the Prologue Mark IV as its model (source: Halo 4 The Essential Visual Guide / Frank O’Connor to Game Informer). In parallel, Fred and Linda were also testing new Mark VI iterations like Centurion (source: Halo Escalation and Halo 2A Terminals).
So this “new” Mark VI (almost GEN2-ish) is simply based on a really good Mark IV of the past.
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> Wow. There’s like, no conflict at all with what you said.
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There sure are. The whole bit with the energy shields existing in 2531 is probably the biggest inconsistency. Let’s take a look at the description for the Mk. IV Grenadier helmet from Halo Reach. The helmet says that it entered service in 2535, and served as a test-bed for energy shielding systems. However, these tests were unsuccessful. Now why would tests with energy shield systems be unsuccessful when the UNSC had functioning energy shields in 2531?
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> The FUD Mark IV, the Halo Wars Mark IV and the Prologue Mark IV are all different iterations of the Mark IV platform. In Halo Wars and the Prologue, the armors have prototypical energy shields (it exists since 2531; source Halo The Essential Visual Guide).
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The “Prologue Mk. IV” isn’t a Mk. IV varient. 343 didn’t have time to make proper Mk. IV armor (of where there exists concept art for inclusion in Halo 4), and had to recycle the Chief’s armor model.
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Neither the FUD nor “Prologue” Mk. IV make any sense in regards to the Mjolnir development timeline. The fusion reactors on both are far too small to support the armor systems at the time both were fielded.
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> The real world explanation is that 343i took artistic freedom and/or had development constraints (source: Josh Holmes), so they were “forced” to do the Prologue the way it is. However, it is still confirmed that there is an in-universe explanation: John’s armor in Halo 4 was modified by nanobots with the Prologue Mark IV as its model (source: Halo 4 The Essential Visual Guide / Frank O’Connor to Game Informer).
According to a few sources, the armor we see the Chief wearing is entirely unique (“super-special cortana armor”, as BS Angel once put it). The visual guide says it’s based on a Mk. IV variant, but given what we know of Mjolnir’s development, it’s impossible that a variant to resembled the Chief’s upgraded Mk. VI ever existed.
In line with what Toa said, the notion of energy shielding being tested in 2531 is little more than an unnecessary justification for the Spartans in Halo Wars having shields. Some of the devs from Ensemble said outright that the shields were merely a gameplay mechanic. Bearing in mind the aforementioned conflict with the Grenadier variant’s background, it could have been handwaved that the 2531 prototypes were terribly ineffective (gameplay aside) and the tech was thus shelved until 2535. Alas, that didn’t happen, and it still wouldn’t have made much sense given the early Mark IV’s unsuitable fusion reactor; Grenadier is huge for a reason.
As for the Chief’s supposedly unique armor being based on a Mark IV variant, here’s the original source: “Fully upgraded by Cortana, this armor resembles an earlier line of Mjolnir Mark IV.” The way I see it, “resembles” doesn’t necessarily mean the suits from the opening cutscene are meant to be identical to the in-game version. It makes more sense as a handwave than a literal retcon. If only 343i had sufficient time to model the Halo Wars suit for the cutscene. Oh well.
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> “Fully upgraded by Cortana, this armor resembles an earlier line of Mjolnir Mark IV.” The way I see it, “resembles” doesn’t necessarily mean the suits from the opening cutscene are meant to be identical to the in-game version. It makes more sense as a handwave than a literal retcon. If only 343i had sufficient time to model the Halo Wars suit for the cutscene. Oh well.
visual guide as you put it handwaves; sloppily explained because it is convenient to the story, with the implication that the writer is aware of the logical weakness but hopes we will not notice. its a slap in the face to the informed and those that love the greater lore.
faulty logic handwaving is no the way to build a living breathing universe. personally as a canon nut to accept limitation with a logical explanation, which was the first case with josh Holmes, as this changed nothing with the established. what a site it would have been to see the class of 2525 all together had they had time.
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> In line with what Toa said, the notion of energy shielding being tested in 2531 is little more than an unnecessary justification for the Spartans in Halo Wars having shields. Some of the devs from Ensemble said outright that the shields were merely a gameplay mechanic. Bearing in mind the aforementioned conflict with the Grenadier variant’s background, it could have been handwaved that the 2531 prototypes were terribly ineffective (gameplay aside) and the tech was thus shelved until 2535. Alas, that didn’t happen, and it still wouldn’t have made much sense given the early Mark IV’s unsuitable fusion reactor; Grenadier is huge for a reason.
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> As for the Chief’s supposedly unique armor being based on a Mark IV variant, here’s the original source: “Fully upgraded by Cortana, this armor resembles an earlier line of Mjolnir Mark IV.” The way I see it, “resembles” doesn’t necessarily mean the suits from the opening cutscene are meant to be identical to the in-game version. It makes more sense as a handwave than a literal retcon. If only 343i had sufficient time to model the Halo Wars suit for the cutscene. Oh well.
That was always my perception of Chiefs armor as well by saying resembles the design is feasible at least in my eyes. This redesign proved to be very messy for canon though I hope we get more clarification on what exactly is up with Chiefs Armor since 343i couldn’t take the easy route out and just say it was an artistic change.
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> The whole bit with the energy shields existing in 2531 is probably the biggest inconsistency. Let’s take a look at the description for the Mk. IV Grenadier helmet from Halo Reach. The helmet says that it entered service in 2535, and served as a test-bed for energy shielding systems. However, these tests were unsuccessful. Now why would tests with energy shield systems be unsuccessful when the UNSC had functioning energy shields in 2531?
Well, check the source yourself, it doesn’t say that. It’s more specifically the chest, and it doesn’t say it “failed” in anyway. So I don’t see how the Grenadier armor being used as a testbed for energy shields in 2535 conflicts in anyway with the Halo Wars Mark IV being used as a testbed in 2531.
> The “Prologue Mk. IV” isn’t a Mk. IV varient. 343 didn’t have time to make proper Mk. IV armor (of where there exists concept art for inclusion in Halo 4), and had to recycle the Chief’s armor model.
“This Mark IV isn’t a Mark IV”. How is it even possible to say such a contradiction. The Prologue Mark IV is a Mark IV, because it appears during a battle of the Covenant War, it’s not that complicated to understand. And yes, I have already said that the real world explanation is “343i reused the Chief’s armor” because of whatever problem they had during development. But it doesn’t invalidate the in-universe explanation that they have made. Blue Team’s armors are heavily based on this Prologue Mark IV, including Fred’s Centurion (used as a testbed), and since the Prologue Mark IV was one of the testbeds for energy shields (along with the HW armor and the Grenadier armor), it explains why it is still so important (as a bridge towards GEN2). It is quite obvious that all these Mark IV testbeds weren’t successful and couldn’t produce energy shields correctly (Otherwise we wouldn’t have had to wait until Mark V), but it can’t mean that they are inconsistent in the overall canon. This discussion just sounds like people who disagreed with Bungie’s choice to reveal that the Mark V had entered service before John got his. You can disagree with the choice of the developers. But it doesn’t mean it’s not canon or inconsistent.