The problem with the mastodon is its low health and damage. Because it hurts troops on its explosion its better to just use the spots to roll out extra marines who will draw fire and won’t hurt their comrades on death. I totally want this unit to be awesome but its not yet. I think having cool troop transports that can roll in, unload and do damage is a great idea. Often it can be a hassle directing and navigating all the troops with the UI so having a way to condense and be more direct is way better and just fun, sadly Mastodon is not the answer…yet.
I would be up for replacing the Mastodon with a Warthog troop transport. Spawns a marine in passenger side for basic attacking and every unit you load in adds to the damage like Mastodon but is much quicker and deals less damage on death. Would be much more valuable in a speed game.
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> the mastadon despite being an apc has the same armour as a happy meal
Laughed. Very hard. Thanks you.
The transports definitely need some love. They rely a little too much on having infantry garrisoned in them for damage. And they are really fragile for what they are.
Another upgrade would be nice, too. In fact, the Log about Phantoms specifically mentions an upgrade that makes them move faster, but that is not in the game as far as I can tell.
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> I’m not here to say they’re useless but there’s 2 things wrong. 1 your allies can’t garrison them like johnsons bunker which makes no senese, 2, the mastadon despite being an apc has the same armour as a happy meal and the gun it has never seems to be able shoot anything. It’s fine being slow but it shouldn’t die instantly after it’s 3 week journey.
Allies cant garrison them because the other player takes control of them like sharing units. The bunker is a building
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> The transports definitely need some love. They rely a little too much on having infantry garrisoned in them for damage. And they are really fragile for what they are.
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> Another upgrade would be nice, too. In fact, the Log about Phantoms specifically mentions an upgrade that makes them move faster, but that is not in the game as far as I can tell.
log?
phantoms with core infantry are great for chasing and taking out air
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> > The transports definitely need some love. They rely a little too much on having infantry garrisoned in them for damage. And they are really fragile for what they are.
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> > Another upgrade would be nice, too. In fact, the Log about Phantoms specifically mentions an upgrade that makes them move faster, but that is not in the game as far as I can tell.
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> log?
Phoenix log. Go to campaign and then to Phoenix logs there’s a log for every vehicle, map, hero, mission, etc
They have alot of potential. But i agree with health buff. Or atleast decrease cost and pop
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> > > The transports definitely need some love. They rely a little too much on having infantry garrisoned in them for damage. And they are really fragile for what they are.
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> > > Another upgrade would be nice, too. In fact, the Log about Phantoms specifically mentions an upgrade that makes them move faster, but that is not in the game as far as I can tell.
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> > log?
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> Phoenix log. Go to campaign and then to Phoenix logs there’s a log for every vehicle, map, hero, mission, etc
but those are the collectibles. by the way I have only played the campaign for a few seconds
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> The transports definitely need some love. They rely a little too much on having infantry garrisoned in them for damage. And they are really fragile for what they are.
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> Another upgrade would be nice, too. In fact, the Log about Phantoms specifically mentions an upgrade that makes them move faster, but that is not in the game as far as I can tell.
I think the idea of Infantry making their damage viable a cool idea! I think it would be more viable to increase their health, I mean, its a phantom, Phantoms were never supposed to destroy anything, but rather take a beating, and protect those inside to fire from safety, or get them to their transport destination.
Maybe a shield, or a health boost would make it more survivable?
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> Has anyone found a practical use for them in battle yet? I’m sure there is one, I just haven’t found any so far.
Yeah, Mastodons with Marines & Combat Tech. They heal themselves and vehicles nearby on the go. I think Mastodons when running a tank army are really helpful.
Phantoms are absolutely useless. If they had a heavy turret and more HP like in the E3 demo, there’d be some use in using them. But they don’t, so there isn’t.
So i had four mastadons stack with cyclops, snipers, marines, and hellbringsers lead by jeromantis and wrecked and mopped up 3 seperate battles with minimal reinfocment. I think i squeeses in a few nightgals and hornets.and when my pop got low. Omega squad. I think the mastadons a good tanks in group. But that pop makes them horrible. Im cool with health and dps if the pop cost for mastadon is lowered. I think its abit high especialy considering your going to group up your troops in them.
flameadons wreck bases.
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> > Has anyone found a practical use for them in battle yet? I’m sure there is one, I just haven’t found any so far.
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> Yeah, Mastodons with Marines & Combat Tech. They heal themselves and vehicles nearby on the go. I think Mastodons when running a tank army are really helpful.
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> Phantoms are absolutely useless. If they had a heavy turret and more HP like in the E3 demo, there’d be some use in using them. But they don’t, so there isn’t.
phantoms aren’t useless, they are good for transporting and I’m sure they are good for chasing air if u have core infantry in them
I liked the Phantom, but the Mastadon was complete trash I thought. The thing died instantly by just a few Warthogs despite being loaded with 4 Cyclops w/ shock rounds.
Hunters are much better anti-vehicle I think and being in a flying bunker gives them a better boost vs vehicles. I can’t imagine wasting the points on either of them though when they can be spent on much better leader powers.
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> I liked the Phantom, but the Mastadon was complete trash I thought. The thing died instantly by just a few Warthogs despite being loaded with 4 Cyclops w/ shock rounds.
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> Hunters are much better anti-vehicle I think and being in a flying bunker gives them a better boost vs vehicles. I can’t imagine wasting the points on either of them though when they can be spent on much better leader powers.
try putting fully upgraded marines in the mastadons and let them heal each other
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> > I liked the Phantom, but the Mastadon was complete trash I thought. The thing died instantly by just a few Warthogs despite being loaded with 4 Cyclops w/ shock rounds.
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> > Hunters are much better anti-vehicle I think and being in a flying bunker gives them a better boost vs vehicles. I can’t imagine wasting the points on either of them though when they can be spent on much better leader powers.
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> try putting fully upgraded marines in the mastadons and let them heal each other
Marines heal each other? I thought they only healed buildings/vehicles/air
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> > > I liked the Phantom, but the Mastadon was complete trash I thought. The thing died instantly by just a few Warthogs despite being loaded with 4 Cyclops w/ shock rounds.
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> > > Hunters are much better anti-vehicle I think and being in a flying bunker gives them a better boost vs vehicles. I can’t imagine wasting the points on either of them though when they can be spent on much better leader powers.
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> > try putting fully upgraded marines in the mastadons and let them heal each other
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> Marines heal each other? I thought they only healed buildings/vehicles/air
they heal while in the mastodon too
its great
So i had four mastadons stack with cyclops, snipers, marines, and hellbringsers lead by jeromantis and wrecked and mopped up 3 seperate battles with minimal reinfocment. I think i squeeses in a few nightgals and hornets.and when my pop got low. Omega squad. I think the mastadons a good tanks in group. But that pop makes them horrible. Im cool with health and dps if the pop cost for mastadon is lowered. I think its abit high especialy considering your going to group up your troops in them.
flameadons wreck bases.backed by a fully loaded cycladon to wreck tanks. I think they are petty tood just need some population tweaking for cost
They can easily be focused down and are very good at running away. I think just an armor upgrade like the marauders would be good enough.
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> They can easily be focused down and are very good at running away. I think just an armor upgrade like the marauders would be good enough.
Agreed. In desperate need of an armour upgrade.
I think the Phantom should have a gunboat upgrade where the turret is changed into a heavy plasma launcher. Like a wraiths, but obviously less powerful and more specialised.