Actually we raised the alarm as soon as they started turning normal lists into TU. Weve continued to do so for months which they continued to change lists over. I myself probably wrote tens of thousands of words of dissent in the official feedback thread until i could write no more.
This is the first monthly update since December where i havent felt aggrieved by what theyve done. Theyve finally come to a compromise solution for everyone which i can say im happy with overall, if i respect what others views are regarding the bloom and other stuff. With the bleedthrough gone, im happy to coexist now. Most of the TU remains, be happy.
> > > > These forums have become packed with TU sycophants over the months, perhaps from a certain other place on the interwebs. Occasional mysterious waves of brand new accounts getting stuck right into the TU debate without so much as a “hello im new here”. There is disproportionate representation here for one side of the community compared to what in game metrics suggest.
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> > > > I think 343i see that now.
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> > > How would they measure these said metrics? Is there a little in game tab that you click to say what you dont like, or simply people playing?
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> > They collect data from the pre game voting process. They did so over 2 weeks earlier this month in Team Slayer and saw there was significant dislike for the TU.
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> > In game metrics will always be a much better window into the mind of the community than any silly thread or forum poll on this site ever will.
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> And I have heard the exact opposite.
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> I beg to differ. The people that actually take the time to come here and discuss what is wrong with the game and how to fix it are a better indication. And you seem to do nothing but downplay all of us here with some undeserved sense of pride.
Its not that simple. Online communities tend to turn into an echo chamber. One side of the discussion or the other, doesnt matter as the groupthink starts taking over. Just look at twitter.
343i have got to take a broader view of their community.
> What the hell is Super Slayer? A name like that is just insulting to me. I’m not ten. I don’t need these superfluous adjectives to tell me if a playlist is good or not. Squad Slayer was perfectly fine. Removing it to have another 4v4 playlist with the TU in it is just a terrible decision for Matchmaking.
"To make sure all three groups have a Team Slayer option that fits their preferred way of playing the game, we are adding a new playlist called Super Slayer. Super Slayer is a replica of Team Slayer with the Title Update changes included. Team Slayer will still be available with its original settings intact, and Super Slayer will peacefully coexist with it, happily fulfilling your Slayer-related Title Update needs. "
Now vanilla has a 4v4 Slayer list, and TU has a 4v4 Slayer list. Everything is even and fair. If they didn’t get rid of Squad Slayer, they would have a 4v4, and 5v5 Slayer playlist, which, THAT seems a little overkill. Don’t worry, I’m sure they’ll pull AL from Super Slayer before it launches, or in the next update after this one.
> They left ‘us’ (vanilla people) with way less than half of ours. Yet im willing to let it go now after this. Cant you do the same?
None of you Vanilla people were willing to accept the compromise of TU. A lot of people (myself included) prefer Zero Bloom. I get that plenty of people can’t adapt to bullets going straight and having such a small reticle making it harder to aim, so in my opinion the TU was a compromise.
I want Zero Bloom in the playlists I like to play. I will never get that.
Why can’t people like you just accept all the little changes to bring a divided community together? I completely accept that I can’t have my Zero Bloom. Why does that mean you should have your Vanilla?
> > They left ‘us’ (vanilla people) with way less than half of ours. Yet im willing to let it go now after this. Cant you do the same?
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> None of you Vanilla people were willing to accept the compromise of TU. A lot of people (myself included) prefer Zero Bloom. I get that plenty of people can’t adapt to bullets going straight and having such a small reticle making it harder to aim, so in my opinion the TU was a compromise.
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> I want Zero Bloom in the playlists I like to play. I will never get that.
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> Why can’t people like you just accept all the little changes to bring a divided community together? I completely accept that I can’t have my Zero Bloom. Why does that mean you should have your Vanilla?
Universal TU wasnt a compromise. It was Earth and Water. Look that up if you have to.
Also youre crazy if you think ZB was ever anything more than a niche setting, mainly to please the MLG folk.
Cutting out the bleedthrough IS a compromise however. One lots of people have been crying out for for months.
Why cant people like you just accept this one little change to bring a divided community together? I completely accept that i cant have universal Vanilla back. Why does that mean you should have your bleedthrough?
Yes! Bleed-through is gone! Man, that mechanic was truly awful. . .
The removal of bleed-through alone makes this one of the best updates in a long time!
Except for one thing. . .
Why are you removing Anniversary Squad?! That was the only playlist where I could play on the smaller Anniversary maps without having to worry about the pistol and I could use Sprint.
The removal of Anniversary Squad is disappointing, hopefully 343 will change their minds about that and add it back in. . . But not bleed-through, that needs to be gone forever.
Griffball isn’t usually my thing but I’ll have to remember to dive in and check out handegg.
I’m not so bothered about evade. It just means I’ll have to be more careful instead of strolling around in the open without a care in the world knowing I can roll into safety with relative ease. Neither am I fussed about bleedthrough, it’s only what? Another bullet for pinpoint weapons? And dealing with punch rushers is mostly the same with or without bleedthrough, only I won’t get easy kills in fisticuffs from low health opponents and if someone’s running through my bullets and their shields are almost out I finish off their shields before my melee instead of mirroring them blow for blow.
I’m very interested in seeing how BTB heavies plays, particularly the bonus points for certain varieties of kills. I was expecting that variant to be in matchmaking at Reach’s launch so it’s been a long time coming.
> > > They left ‘us’ (vanilla people) with way less than half of ours. Yet im willing to let it go now after this. Cant you do the same?
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> > None of you Vanilla people were willing to accept the compromise of TU. A lot of people (myself included) prefer Zero Bloom. I get that plenty of people can’t adapt to bullets going straight and having such a small reticle making it harder to aim, so in my opinion the TU was a compromise.
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> > I want Zero Bloom in the playlists I like to play. I will never get that.
> >
> > Why can’t people like you just accept all the little changes to bring a divided community together? I completely accept that I can’t have my Zero Bloom. Why does that mean you should have your Vanilla?
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> Universal TU wasnt a compromise. It was Earth and Water. Look that up if you have to.
> Also youre crazy if you think ZB was ever anything more than a niche setting, mainly to please the MLG folk.
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> Cutting out the bleedthrough IS a compromise however. One lots of people have been crying out for for months.
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> Why cant people like you just accept this one little change to bring a divided community together? I completely accept that i cant have universal Vanilla back. Why does that mean you should have your bleedthrough?
the only people crying about bleedthru are people who refused to adapt.
lets cater the game to people who would rather b*tch and moan about stuff that they could solve by just refraining from charging in for melees. that sounds like a really good idea, fatal.
> > > They left ‘us’ (vanilla people) with way less than half of ours. Yet im willing to let it go now after this. Cant you do the same?
> >
> > None of you Vanilla people were willing to accept the compromise of TU. A lot of people (myself included) prefer Zero Bloom. I get that plenty of people can’t adapt to bullets going straight and having such a small reticle making it harder to aim, so in my opinion the TU was a compromise.
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> > I want Zero Bloom in the playlists I like to play. I will never get that.
> >
> > Why can’t people like you just accept all the little changes to bring a divided community together? I completely accept that I can’t have my Zero Bloom. Why does that mean you should have your Vanilla?
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> Universal TU wasnt a compromise. It was Earth and Water. Look that up if you have to.
> Also youre crazy if you think ZB was ever anything more than a niche setting, mainly to please the MLG folk.
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> Cutting out the bleedthrough IS a compromise however. One lots of people have been crying out for for months.
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> Why cant people like you just accept this one little change to bring a divided community together? I completely accept that i cant have universal Vanilla back. Why does that mean you should have your bleedthrough?
Honestly, do I have to repeat myself?
Let me dumb it down for you.
Zero Bloom ----- Title Update ----- Vanilla
Three different versions of Reach. Zero Bloom is on the opposite side to Vanilla. You see that, yes? Now, notice how Title Update is in the middle? That’s because TU is like a mix, a combination of Zero Bloom and Vanilla. It has the good things about Zero Bloom, but to keep it fair to the Vanilla players, it still has a lot of bloom.
Compromise.
Taking away from the compromise to appease Vanilla players means it is no longer a compromise.
> > > > They left ‘us’ (vanilla people) with way less than half of ours. Yet im willing to let it go now after this. Cant you do the same?
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> > > None of you Vanilla people were willing to accept the compromise of TU. A lot of people (myself included) prefer Zero Bloom. I get that plenty of people can’t adapt to bullets going straight and having such a small reticle making it harder to aim, so in my opinion the TU was a compromise.
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> > > I want Zero Bloom in the playlists I like to play. I will never get that.
> > >
> > > Why can’t people like you just accept all the little changes to bring a divided community together? I completely accept that I can’t have my Zero Bloom. Why does that mean you should have your Vanilla?
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> > Universal TU wasnt a compromise. It was Earth and Water. Look that up if you have to.
> > Also youre crazy if you think ZB was ever anything more than a niche setting, mainly to please the MLG folk.
> >
> > Cutting out the bleedthrough IS a compromise however. One lots of people have been crying out for for months.
> >
> > Why cant people like you just accept this one little change to bring a divided community together? I completely accept that i cant have universal Vanilla back. Why does that mean you should have your bleedthrough?
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> Honestly, do I have to repeat myself?
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> Let me dumb it down for you.
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> Zero Bloom ----- Title Update ----- Vanilla
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> Three different versions of Reach. Zero Bloom is on the opposite side to Vanilla. You see that, yes? Now, notice how Title Update is in the middle? That’s because TU is like a mix, a combination of Zero Bloom and Vanilla. It has the good things about Zero Bloom, but to keep it fair to the Vanilla players, it still has a lot of bloom.
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> Compromise.
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> Taking away from the compromise to appease Vanilla players means it is no longer a compromise.
There’s no arguing with this guy. He honestly thinks 3 shots + melee should deal the same damage as one melee by itself.
> Yes! Bleed-through is gone! Man, that mechanic was truly awful. . .
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> The removal of bleed-through alone makes this one of the best updates in a long time!
>
> Except for one thing. . .
>
> Why are you removing Anniversary Squad?! That was the only playlist where I could play on the smaller Anniversary maps without having to worry about the pistol and I could use Sprint.
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> The removal of Anniversary Squad is disappointing, hopefully 343 will change their minds about that and add it back in. . . But not bleed-through, that needs to be gone forever.
I definately have to agree with the removal of Anni Squad being a mis-step. If you only own CEA, you just got a playlist taken from you, so you have 3 ‘Halo’ playlists, and Firefight left. And that just doesn’t seem right.
No, i think you should have gone for the 4th shot when you know you need to to survive, and melee only when its appropriate not auto melee whenever someone just comes within range. But thats a different argument.
You keep doing what Bungie did with the developing of Reach, catering to casuals who like unbalanced and noobish gametypes.
Removing bleedthrough was the last drop, you guys give those vanilla warriors they playlist/s and remove bleedthrough for out settings only because you heard their complains.
> No, i think you should have gone for the 4th shot when you know you need to to survive, and melee only when its appropriate not auto melee whenever someone just comes within range. But thats a different argument.
But why do that when the game rewards you for ignoring your weapon altogether and just meleeing in the first place? Vanilla Reach promotes using the melee over your gun in CQC battles. I don’t see how you don’t realize this if you’re a supporter of guns over fists in battles.
