I was just on Halopedia reading up on the Mantle’s approach just for fun. I realized that the ship is 371km in height! OMG that’s huge and it is bigger than High Charity! It did not look that big in Halo 4 at all but I guess it would be hard to show off a 371 km ship. It is also not the biggest forerunner ship according to halopedia. I was wondering if Grim could do a cannon fodder on the Mantle’s Approach and add it to the universe section of waypoint. Can anyone confirm that this is the correct size of the Approach? I can’t Imagine how big a guardian is now…
It also said that catalogue confirmed the heart of the ship had slipspaced to the “sector rally point”. I am interested in seeing where this rally point is and whether or not mantle’s approach will rebuild itself. All I know is, Mantle’s Approach could probably take on the entire rest of the covenant fleets and Human fleets together with ease at that size and firepower hahaha. Very intrigued
Yep, it’s the correct size. It was found by meausring Requiem’s curvature when Mantle’s Approach was leaving, and applying that to the ship.
Actually depicting it in that size is extremely difficult, so it wasn’t really shown accurately in game. But yes, a canon fodder om it would be awesome!
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> Yep, it’s the correct size. It was found by meausring Requiem’s curvature when Mantle’s Approach was leaving, and applying that to the ship.
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> Actually depicting it in that size is extremely difficult, so it wasn’t really shown accurately in game. But yes, a canon fodder om it would be awesome!
Ya i know it would be difficult to show in game, same went for High Charity in Halo 3 in some cutscenes. But that is one Huge motha! I wonder if the guardians are larger than the Mantle’s Approach. I was really amazed by the size and here us humans are bragging about the Infinity…
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> Ya i know it would be difficult to show in game, same went for High Charity in Halo 3 in some cutscenes. But that is one Huge motha! I wonder if the guardians are larger than the Mantle’s Approach. I was really amazed by the size and here us humans are bragging about the Infinity…
Actually according to official measurements the guardians are only 4 kilometers tall
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> > Ya i know it would be difficult to show in game, same went for High Charity in Halo 3 in some cutscenes. But that is one Huge motha! I wonder if the guardians are larger than the Mantle’s Approach. I was really amazed by the size and here us humans are bragging about the Infinity…
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> Actually according to official measurements the guardians are only 4 kilometers tall
Oh when were those taken and where? I believe you I just didnt hear about it.
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> > > Ya i know it would be difficult to show in game, same went for High Charity in Halo 3 in some cutscenes. But that is one Huge motha! I wonder if the guardians are larger than the Mantle’s Approach. I was really amazed by the size and here us humans are bragging about the Infinity…
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> Oh when were those taken and where? I believe you I just didnt hear about it.
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> I was just on Halopedia reading up on the Mantle’s approach just for fun. I realized that the ship is 371km in height! OMG that’s huge and it is bigger than High Charity! It did not look that big in Halo 4 at all but I guess it would be hard to show off a 371 km ship. It is also not the biggest forerunner ship according to halopedia. I was wondering if Grim could do a cannon fodder on the Mantle’s Approach and add it to the universe section of waypoint. Can anyone confirm that this is the correct size of the Approach? I can’t Imagine how big a guardian is now…
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> It also said that catalogue confirmed the heart of the ship had slipspaced to the “sector rally point”. I am interested in seeing where this rally point is and whether or not mantle’s approach will rebuild itself. All I know is, Mantle’s Approach could probably take on the entire rest of the covenant fleets and Human fleets together with ease at that size and firepower hahaha. Very intrigued
OMG SUCH A HUGE SHIP JESUS CHRIST WHERE THE HELL DO THEY GET ENOUGH RESOURCES TO BUILD A SHIP LIKE THAT AND 600 SHIELD WORLDS AND 7 HALOS AND THE ARK AND MILIOMS OF SHIPS!
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> I was just on Halopedia reading up on the Mantle’s approach just for fun. I realized that the ship is 371km in height! OMG that’s huge and it is bigger than High Charity! It did not look that big in Halo 4 at all but I guess it would be hard to show off a 371 km ship. It is also not the biggest forerunner ship according to halopedia. I was wondering if Grim could do a cannon fodder on the Mantle’s Approach and add it to the universe section of waypoint. Can anyone confirm that this is the correct size of the Approach? I can’t Imagine how big a guardian is now…
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> It also said that catalogue confirmed the heart of the ship had slipspaced to the “sector rally point”. I am interested in seeing where this rally point is and whether or not mantle’s approach will rebuild itself. All I know is, Mantle’s Approach could probably take on the entire rest of the covenant fleets and Human fleets together with ease at that size and firepower hahaha. Very intrigued
it will maybey appen on halo 5 what you just said about a reunion of covenant and humans for the mantle! the halo 5 history is rly intriguiing me
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> > I was just on Halopedia reading up on the Mantle’s approach just for fun. I realized that the ship is 371km in height! OMG that’s huge and it is bigger than High Charity! It did not look that big in Halo 4 at all but I guess it would be hard to show off a 371 km ship. It is also not the biggest forerunner ship according to halopedia. I was wondering if Grim could do a cannon fodder on the Mantle’s Approach and add it to the universe section of waypoint. Can anyone confirm that this is the correct size of the Approach? I can’t Imagine how big a guardian is now…
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> > It also said that catalogue confirmed the heart of the ship had slipspaced to the “sector rally point”. I am interested in seeing where this rally point is and whether or not mantle’s approach will rebuild itself. All I know is, Mantle’s Approach could probably take on the entire rest of the covenant fleets and Human fleets together with ease at that size and firepower hahaha. Very intrigued
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> OMG SUCH A HUGE SHIP JESUS CHRIST WHERE THE HELL DO THEY GET ENOUGH RESOURCES TO BUILD A SHIP LIKE THAT AND 600 SHIELD WORLDS AND 7 HALOS AND THE ARK AND MILIOMS OF SHIPS!
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> > I was just on Halopedia reading up on the Mantle’s approach just for fun. I realized that the ship is 371km in height! OMG that’s huge and it is bigger than High Charity! It did not look that big in Halo 4 at all but I guess it would be hard to show off a 371 km ship. It is also not the biggest forerunner ship according to halopedia. I was wondering if Grim could do a cannon fodder on the Mantle’s Approach and add it to the universe section of waypoint. Can anyone confirm that this is the correct size of the Approach? I can’t Imagine how big a guardian is now…
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> > It also said that catalogue confirmed the heart of the ship had slipspaced to the “sector rally point”. I am interested in seeing where this rally point is and whether or not mantle’s approach will rebuild itself. All I know is, Mantle’s Approach could probably take on the entire rest of the covenant fleets and Human fleets together with ease at that size and firepower hahaha. Very intrigued
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> OMG SUCH A HUGE SHIP JESUS CHRIST WHERE THE HELL DO THEY GET ENOUGH RESOURCES TO BUILD A SHIP LIKE THAT AND 600 SHIELD WORLDS AND 7 HALOS AND THE ARK AND MILIOMS OF SHIPS!
I know the games never properly display this, but the forerunners were that good, to give you a sense of industrial scale for the forerunners, look at this thing I got from somewhere else:
> The Sharpened Shield is roughly 300 million km in diameter with a G2 type star slightly smaller than Sol at the core, with a volume of roughly 7 septillion km^3 she boasted a habitable surface area of 255 quadrillion km^2 (some 550 million times the surface area of Earth). Assuming the Shield has a paltry 2 km thick shell the overall volume of the structure would equal 282 quadrillion km^3 of material (which assuming it had a density of iron would weigh more than the sun itself); even if Didact began construction of the project immediately following the end of the Human-Forerunner war and it continued up until his exile in an 8,000 year time period as a lower limit the Forerunners would have to assemble 1,120,716 cubic kilometers of material per second. To put it into accepted SW-vs-ST parlance, that’s the equivalent of manufacturing the second Death Star every five minutes, non-stop, for nearly eight thousand years - or stripping away an Earth sized planet every nine days. And despite this gargantuan effort the Shield wasn’t the only of of its kind, many more were built and hidden across the galaxy - and to add insult to injury not only was this a secret project, it was swept under the rug by Faber because he preferred the Halo Array.
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> > > I was just on Halopedia reading up on the Mantle’s approach just for fun. I realized that the ship is 371km in height! OMG that’s huge and it is bigger than High Charity! It did not look that big in Halo 4 at all but I guess it would be hard to show off a 371 km ship. It is also not the biggest forerunner ship according to halopedia. I was wondering if Grim could do a cannon fodder on the Mantle’s Approach and add it to the universe section of waypoint. Can anyone confirm that this is the correct size of the Approach? I can’t Imagine how big a guardian is now…
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> > > It also said that catalogue confirmed the heart of the ship had slipspaced to the “sector rally point”. I am interested in seeing where this rally point is and whether or not mantle’s approach will rebuild itself. All I know is, Mantle’s Approach could probably take on the entire rest of the covenant fleets and Human fleets together with ease at that size and firepower hahaha. Very intrigued
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> > OMG SUCH A HUGE SHIP JESUS CHRIST WHERE THE HELL DO THEY GET ENOUGH RESOURCES TO BUILD A SHIP LIKE THAT AND 600 SHIELD WORLDS AND 7 HALOS AND THE ARK AND MILIOMS OF SHIPS!
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That is amazing. Spoiler from Hunters in the Dark below:
No wonder those sentinels from the ark were gonna strip Earth barren of all its resources in Hunters in the DarkForerunners are such a waste. Tree hugers would hate them hahaha
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> I had no idea it was that large. As many have said, the game really doesn’t do it justice.
The fun part is that it is assuming that it is only 2 km thick, I would love for grim or the catalog to weight in on that, speaking of where is the canon fodder? It also bears to remember that this was a project by the warrior servants, not the builder caste which would be the ones who would logically head say projects.
Speaking of sizes, I’m surprise something the size of a small moon (high charity) impacting the Ark didn’t create some short of shockwave…
It’s also important to note that Mantle’s Approach is bigger than the first Death Star (though not second, somehow they almost build a larger one in like 2 years, while the first one took about as long as luke was alive to build).
371km high? Wow, I’m a big Forerunner fan, especially of the Ur-Didact and anything to do with him. I knew it was large, but I didn’t think it would be that large. I wonder if that’s taller than a Sovereign class Reaper.
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> Speaking of sizes, I’m surprise something the size of a small moon (high charity) impacting the Ark didn’t create some short of shockwave…
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The strength of forerunners building materials is crazy, case in point:
> From an engineering standpoint, the Dyson Sphere can be thought of as a thin-walled spherical pressure vessel, and the gravitational force can be thought of as the “pressure” (once it’s divided by the internal surface area, of course). The mass of the sphere is 2E30 kg, the mass of the star is 1E30 kg, and the radius is 1E11 m, so Newton’s law of gravitation gives us 1.33E28 N. The internal surface area of the sphere is 1.26E23 m², so the equivalent “pressure” would be roughly 106 kPa.
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> Now, that’s not a lot of pressure (it’s roughly 1 bar), but it’s acting over an enormous surface, and that comes into play when you try to calculate the resulting stress in the sphere wall. The equation for in-plane stress in a thin-walled spherical pressure vessel is pr/2t where p = pressure, r = radius and t = shell thickness, so the tensile stress on the shell would be roughly 2.65 TPa! To put this in perspective, it’s roughly ten thousand times the yield strength of structural steel. Not bad, eh? It’s also insensitive to the exact wall thickness of the sphere, because a thicker wall will increase the load-bearing area but it will also increase the mass of the sphere and hence the load (a full derivation would show the wall thickness term cancelling out).
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> This is again supported during the final episode of Spartan Ops - the Exodus - in which the shield world Requiem (0001) plummets into her native star as part of a self-destruct sequence. What’s remarkable to note is that even up until her final decent into the photosphere she remains entirely intact, with zerosigns of deformation or surface heating despite the extreme amount of thermal radiation bombarding the massive shell. At a mere 14 million kilometers from the surface of a main sequence star the energy received by a planetary body is around 137,000 W/m^2, with surface temperatures averaging over 2000 K, making the surface glow red hot. However at this range the Roche limit has long since been bypassed by the vast majority of planetary bodies, causing extreme deformation as a result of tidal stresses that tear the body apart. At a diameter of 10,787 km, Requiem, prior to entering the photosphere is absorbing radiation at an intensity of roughly 62 MW/m^2 with an equilibrium temperature of 7235 K across the entire surface, nearly one and a third times the boiling point of tungsten. Coupled with the extreme temperatures any mass approaching a star undergoes the forces of electromagnetic pressure as a result of radiation force, in the above example Requiem is sustaining pressures greater than 500 billion times that of the surface of the Earth, 6,000 times the ultimate yield of high strength steel alloy.
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> 371km high? Wow, I’m a big Forerunner fan, especially of the Ur-Didact and anything to do with him. I knew it was large, but I didn’t think it would be that large. I wonder if that’s taller than a Sovereign class Reaper.
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The ship was manned by the Didact, but it’s design and construction were approved by the Master Builder.
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Approved by not designed by. The Didact co-designed Mendicant Bias. Designed Requiem. Designed all of the other minor shields worlds. And may have designed Shield 006. Apparently even the builder’s don’t have a full idea of what Requiem does or all of its components.
Mantle’s Approach is almost the size of Alabama here in the United States. And in comparison to other large objects in other science fiction, it and High Charity are larger than the Death Star and the Death Star II, which were both 160km in diameter. And in response to someone’s post earlier, a sovereign class reaper is only 2km tall, so, reapers, which are the largest ships in mass effect, are like tiny ants compared to Mantle’s Approach.
