Were the Mantle’s Approach and the composer really destroyed?
The Composer I believe wasnt destroyed. One would think ONI would want to study it, as well as any other “artifact” on Reqiuem, as evidenced in Spartan Ops.
Ahh…I forgot about the nuke that went off. Silly me. I guess it was destroyed. But that still doesnt explain why Prometheans are still roaming Requiem 6 months after the Phoenix Incident
We didn’t destroy Requiem. The Composer just makes more Prometheans. The Composer is not their controller or anything of the sort, it simply creates them, then sets them free. It is rather logical to assume there would be more Prometheans roaming around. Think back to when the Flood destroyed the Sentinel production ship. Did it destroy all sentinels? No, it simply stopped them from making more.
Let’s not forget that ONI would have preferred that the first Halo not be destroyed. However it was never their choice it was John’s and he blew the thing up. So him destroying the composer not a hard idea to come to. Whether the Forerunners made more is anybody’s guess.
As for the Didact’s ship, it is clearly blown up with the composer. Would ONI have preferred it not, probably, yet again not their decision.
What are they going to do? What, yell at the Chief for saving Earth, again. If you read the books or even pay attention to the games, John has a habit of blowing up really big stuff. Which is the purpose of any military, anywhere, at any time. To kill people and break -Yoink-. John just does it better then most(I would say any but there is Cole, Keyes, and Whitcomb).
I dont think the prometheans can ever really disappear. Remember they arent actually “things” persay, they are data, so technically they cant be killed.
Thats my take on them based on the information provided anyways.
> I dont think the prometheans can ever really disappear. Remember they arent actually “things” persay, they are data, so technically they cant be killed.
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> Thats my take on them based on the information provided anyways.
You can destroy data… Take a shotgun loaded with 00 buck shot to you hard drive and tell me if you can still use the data saved on it.
> You can destroy data… Take a shotgun loaded with 00 buck shot to you hard drive and tell me if you can still use the data saved on it.
Thats not technically destroying data, thats destroying hardware.
Im talking about the knights themselves, as creatures. If you blew requiem to pieces then yes im sure wherever the promethean data is held would be destroyed, but short of taking out the hardware I dont think the prometheans can ever be exterminated.
I believe the data is stored with every Promethean not in a central location. First when combating the Flood you don’t want to have one place get hit and that be the end. The other reason is the Watchers bringing other Prometheans back to life instead of just waiting for new copies to get created.
Why are you talking about the Prometheans and other stuff? I’m not talking about them… I’m talking about the ship and the composer.
That ship is pretty big, a 30 megaton nuke is enough to destroy both? I wonder If there are remains or something…
> I believe the data is stored with every Promethean not in a central location. First when combating the Flood you don’t want to have one place get hit and that be the end. The other reason is the Watchers bringing other Prometheans back to life instead of just waiting for new copies to get created.
I dont think Requiem is in a location that the flood even knew about. Considering the Foward Unto Dawn drifted to it from the Ark, and that we dont see any other planets near it(correct me if im wrong), is say that its prolly outside the Milky Way as the Ark is. So theres not much chance of the flood getting to it anyway.
I cant really say for certain where the data is stored, be it in the prometheans themselves or a databank somewhere. Its possible that the watchers revive the knights simply because it takes longer to reconstitute a knight and portal them somewhere than it does to simply revive him. It also makes sense that they would do that from a combat standpoint, since the flood arent individually intelligent, so they would presumably mindlessly throw themselves are knights and leave the watchers alone.
Plus, you kind of have to ask yourself where the knights were before the chief and cortana accessed that terminal on requiem. They did seem to appear from out of those poles they ended up standing on.
> Why are you talking about the Prometheans and other stuff? I’m not talking about them… I’m talking about the ship and the composer.
> That ship is pretty big, a 30 megaton nuke is enough to destroy both? I wonder If there are remains or something…
Yea, sorry for derailing your thread lol. Honestly, when I saw the ending and the remnants of the Didacts ship, I just imagined that the composers destruction by the nuke was so severe that it destroyed the entire ship. The composer is a pretty massive energy source that was active at the time of the detonation.
Well we already know there ia another composer at the end of Primordium the ONI Science team finds one. "Another damn machine for making monsters:
I think Cortana now exists on a plane of existence similar, if not directly attached to hyperspace, just as Halsey once tried to do.
I think that the Promethean Knights and now the Didact and Cortana exist within this meta-plane of existence and require an interface to interact with us.
In Cortana’s case, it’s hardlight emitters. For the Knights and maybe now post H4, the Didact, it’s about reconstituting matter into an interface-shell. A shell that needs upkeep by another machine (Watcher).
I’m pretty sure the composer has a bigger part to play in the chief’s future. It’s too big of a thing to be rid of in the 1st game of the trilogy, technically speaking.
Crazy yoink speculation time!
So if the Composer encodes neural networks into data, while destroying the original matter,
and precursor tech is based off neural technology, could the Composer be used as a weapon against the precursor tech?
This is going off the assumption that the Composer has a similiar effect on precursor tech as the Halos, which are also nueral weapons.
If the precursors do comeback, might we see devices similiar to the Composer being used less as tools and more as weapons?
Rampant speculation over.
there was mention of a slipspace rupture underneath the composer–where the data (and the didact) go into…so all the people in new phoenix might have been composed into new knights back at requiem which is why theyre still active during spartan ops. also y the didact is prob still alive…yall think that that grenade killed him? no way he got shot a few times w/out his armor on at point blank and came out alright–didact is still going strong
> there was mention of a slipspace rupture underneath the composer–where the data (and the didact) go into…so all the people in new phoenix might have been composed into new knights back at requiem which is why theyre still active during spartan ops. also y the didact is prob still alive…yall think that that grenade killed him? no way he got shot a few times w/out his armor on at point blank and came out alright–didact is still going strong
So Cortana may be in the Composer’s data core along with the people from New Phoenix. Since the Didact is unaffected by the Composer, he is somewhere too “licking his wounds” from his defeat by Cortana/Chief then. I’m sure the UNSC knows he might return as Chief probably said he knocked him off of a light-bridge into a slipspace rupture that goes somewhere during his debriefing. Is that why Spartan Ops went back? To find something they can use against his possible return?
Stop derailing please!
It’d be interesting if they survived as they would be great assets in debates such as halo versus mass effect.
I hope theyre both destroyed. Id like to see 343 come up with something new for H5, though im sure they’ll just end up bringing the Librarian or Bornstellar “back from the dead”.
I’m still curious as to what exactly the artifact is that was found in the 2nd episode of spartan ops. Maybe it has some sort of connection to the composer?