Wow, it seems slayer population dropped like a rock ever since they required DLC. It doesn’t really affect me because I bought the maps a long time ago, but it’s not nice to see slayer population drop like that. I think for those that haven’t bought them, I think it upset them. I think telling someone they have to buy something never really works out. Plus, lots of people can’t afford it. I think they should just give it away for free if they’re going to require it. It would work out better that way. I think it’s a business decision, but I think it’s the wrong one. They could have just waited longer and then gave them away and required them.
> Wow, it seems slayer population dropped like a rock ever since they required DLC. It doesn’t really affect me because I bought the maps a long time ago, but it’s not nice to see slayer population drop like that. I think for those that haven’t bought them, I think it upset them. I think telling someone they have to buy something never really works out. Plus, <mark>lots of people can’t afford it</mark>. I think they should just give it away for free if they’re going to require it. It would work out better that way. <mark>I think it’s a business decision</mark>, but I think it’s the wrong one. They could have just waited longer and then gave them away and required them.
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People might claim they can’t but $10 is a pretty negligible amount (and I’m not exactly raking it in). - probs gonna get hate for that. When I was like 10 I still managed to find $10 to spend joining Habbo Hotel members… If they ain’t buying it it’s because they don’t want it enough - which is fair enough - but many of us did want it, and now we finally get to play some of the maps.
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I presume you mean because they want to earn money from people buying the DLC. In reality, this has been requested to death on the forum by DLC owners - just another case of 343 listening to the community and doing something about it.
Have you seen the slayer population since they required DLC? It’s gone from 1000’s to just mere 100’s It could be just coincidence, but I think not.
Hey, don’t get me wrong, I want to play on my maps too. Most people can probably afford $10, but do they want to? …and will they? When you try to force somebody to buy something, it usually doesn’t end well.
> Have you seen the slayer population since they required DLC? It’s gone from 1000’s to just mere 100’s It could be just coincidence, but I think not.
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> Hey, don’t get me wrong, I want to play on my maps too. Most people can probably afford $10, but do they want to? …and will they? When you try to force somebody to buy something, it usually doesn’t end well.
I don’t dispute any of that, of course population is down.
The question isn’t whether TS population has dropped, its whether global population dropped - a question I don’t know the answer to. If global population was maintained then it was a HUGE success, they managed to give DLC-owners what they wanted without -Yoink!- off too many non-DLC owners.
maybe its the time zone different between most country’s
when its night in EU then its in the VS morning or afternoon.
when its in VS night then its in EU morning or afternoon.
time zone’s have also a big deal with the population.
and why a new topic about the same problem again?
Well, it’s my understanding that DLC is only required in Infinity Slayer as of Monday, and that population has hugely dropped since then no matter what time it is.
now i see the big different in the time zone’s
when i its morning in EU time and i wane play fast 1 match before i most go. then i see that big team battle has more like 1000 players on it.
when its night in EU time i see that big team battle has 3000 players on it.
then it most be morning or afternoon in the VS.
then i see a big different when 1 play list 2000 more players. when it was morning and night in the EU time zone.
its the same for Infinity Slayer when i look EU time zone to Infinity Slayer playlist i see 192 players on it.
in the night EU time zone again i see that it has 600 players on it.
its the same when you have a EU player in you friend list and a VS player in you list.
you see the big time different when he has logout and login.
> Wow, it seems slayer population dropped like a rock ever since they required DLC. It doesn’t really affect me because I bought the maps a long time ago, but it’s not nice to see slayer population drop like that. I think for those that haven’t bought them, I think it upset them.
Once more it is a TEST it is not a PERMANENT thing! they are doign this to test if this is a viable way to hve people play the DLC maps, also this is not the first game that has done it, Halo 3 locked out 90% of Match Making for those that did not have the DLC, in H4 it is just 1 playlist and it is for just a limited period of time.
I know, but people don’t get that maybe it’s temporary, most people don’t read the bulletins. So if it’s temporary, then after a while they won’t need DLC anymore? Stupid stupid idea. It’s an experiment that works out good for them to collect some cash (maybe), or just drive more players away. They should have waited longer and given it away for free. Maybe free DLC would actually help bring players back, this drives them away. Plain and simple. How do people not get this? I’m just trying to speak for the people that wouldn’t “waste” the time coming to these forums.
> I know, but people don’t get that maybe it’s temporary, most people don’t read the bulletins. So if it’s temporary, then after a while they won’t need DLC anymore? Stupid stupid idea. <mark>It’s an experiment that works out good for them to collect some cash.</mark> They should have waited longer and given it away for free.
No it is an experiment they are doing because they are trying to see if it is a viable option of making people that actually have the DLC they paid for be able to play those maps.
If the numbers ont he playlist were high then they would see this as viable and they would then expand on the idea and makemore lists DLC required, however since the population is failing this will tell them it is not a viable option.
Pretty simple really.
> I know, but people don’t get that maybe it’s temporary, most people don’t read the bulletins. So if it’s temporary, then after a while they won’t need DLC anymore? Stupid stupid idea. It’s an experiment that works out good for them to collect some cash. They should have waited longer and given it away for free.
Terrible experiment IMO. It just alienates the few people who have bothered to stick around to play what is at best a mediocre experience.
H5 will release in what 7 to 8 months? Even so it’s really one of the only real reasons I purchased an XBox in the first place. Knowing how MS and 343 is treating their customers and how Valve works w/respect to additional content only makes me think that buying it would be a mistake.
On the other hand, I’m really looking forward to H3 coming out for free for Gold members.
> Terrible experiment IMO. It just alienates the few people who have bothered to stick around to play what is at best a mediocre experience.
Because there are no other playlists those without DLC can play right? sure It is not the best method (H3 was way worse tho but they had th epopulation to support that) but at least they are trying to find a way on wich people that payed for the DLC can actually play those maps, people are all like oh but they alienate those without the DLC! what about those guys that PAID for the DLC and are being alienated since the first DLC came around because the maps they PAID for never show up? so it is fine to alienate one portion of the players (DLC owners) but not the non DLC owners? and to top that off it is only 1 playlist?
> H5 will release in what 7 to 8 months? Even so it’s really one of the only real reasons I purchased an XBox in the first place. Knowing how MS and 343 is treating their customers and how Valve works w/respect to additional content only makes me think that buying it would be a mistake.
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> On the other hand, I’m really looking forward to H3 coming out for free for Gold members.
Truth be told I will rent H5 first I wont buy day one because H4 gave me a very bad first impression on 343I’s cappability on handling the Halo franchise, and yes I am hoping H3 in games with gold will boost the population on H3, o wait no it wont because 90% of matchmaking is DLC REQUIRED.
> > I know, but people don’t get that maybe it’s temporary, most people don’t read the bulletins. So if it’s temporary, then after a while they won’t need DLC anymore? Stupid stupid idea. <mark>It’s an experiment that works out good for them to collect some cash.</mark> They should have waited longer and given it away for free.
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> No it is an experiment they are doing because they are trying to see if it is a viable option of making people that actually have the DLC they paid for be able to play those maps.
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> If the numbers ont he playlist were high then they would see this as viable and they would then expand on the idea and makemore lists DLC required, however since the population is failing this will tell them it is not a viable option.
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> Pretty simple really.
Oh no, it can’t be about the money. Why would it ever be about the money? If it wasn’t about the money, it would be free.
Yeah, I’d say it’s not a viable option, it looks like we agree on something, though I thought that would be impossible.
> Oh no, it can’t be about the money. Why would it ever be about the money? If it wasn’t about the money, it would be free.
If it was 100% about the money it woudl be apermanent thing to actually FORCE people to buy the DLC if they want to keep playing the game, oh but shocker! it is not!
Perhaps they are just checking if the claims of peopel crying about the DLC never appearing (Wich is quite a bi ton the forums) would show that a lot of people actually have the DLC and want to play those maps? thats why they are monitoring the playlist.
Yes of course some will buy the DLC to keep playing even tho it is a temporary thing, and yes there is always money involved, but if it was just 100% money they would just give everyone the finger and make playlists DLC required like H3 did ina permanent way.
Also get it through your head the DLC wont be free, there are policies for that, policies handled by Microsoft so 343I cant do anythng about it.
And its not only 343I, Valve and Epic Games wich ar eknown for giving content to the players for free cant do that on the Xbox because Microsoft has policies about DLC.
How about this for an experiment: make a DLC playlist.
People can still play IS and the DLC crowd gets what we’ve been asking for the past however many months.
> How about this for an experiment: make a DLC playlist.
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> People can still play IS and the DLC crowd gets what we’ve been asking for the past however many months.
That would be the logical route to go, but we all know logical things arent 343I’s style.
How about adding filters? you know like the local search options that we used to have just that instead of looking for other players on the same area we have the option to search for other players with the DLC or without the DLC?
That way you dont need more playlists but you can still filter out the results?
> > Have you seen the slayer population since they required DLC? It’s gone from 1000’s to just mere 100’s It could be just coincidence, but I think not.
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> > Hey, don’t get me wrong, I want to play on my maps too. Most people can probably afford $10, but do they want to? …and will they? When you try to force somebody to buy something, it usually doesn’t end well.
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> I don’t dispute any of that, of course population is down.
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> The question isn’t whether TS population has dropped, its whether global population dropped - a question I don’t know the answer to. If global population was maintained then it was a HUGE success, they managed to give DLC-owners what they wanted without -Yoink!- off too many non-DLC owners.
IS population dropped when it went restricted and Big Team went up. Players that don’t have the DLC simply moved over to BT. I think their restriction test has a pretty good answer already. Bad idea.
Quoting an old post on the topic because I’m too lazy to retype it all for the ten thousandth time. These threads are really getting old at this point.
> Frank O’Connor addressed the topic on an old Bungie Podcast I was listening to - I think it was for the Legendary Map Pack (Avalanche, Lockout, etc.) They were discussing how some playlists, like Weekly Double XP, and Frank essentially said (Not word for word)
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> “There comes a time when you have to look at the majority/minority split. If most of the community is purchasing these maps, but they aren’t seeing them routinely in Matchmaking, that’s a problem.”
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> And he has a point. If you’re buying these extras for the game, you should be able to play them as you wish. It’s sucky, yeah, but these players are paying premium for new maps. So, if the majority of players were to have Majestic, but on average only see one of those maps pop up 1/10 searches (With even less times being played), something needs to be done.
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> It’s a no win situation though. We can’t have one DLC playlist because each Map Pack is optimized for different player numbers. Majestic was 2-4, Pitfall/Vertigo are probably 4-6, Castle/Crimson were closer to 6-8. Splitting into two DLC playlists, which usually have the lowest population because players don’t want to have to go to a separate playlist for the maps, won’t work because the numbers will be far too low to sustain.
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> Yes, it sucks that not everyone will be able to play every playlist if they were to go the route of making some playlists DLC mandatory. Perhaps 343 should make one playlist Double Credit every weekend and have that as the one? Who knows, but it’s not like the DLC is extremely expensive. You want players to get it, you can’t keep allowing for it to be optional and not giving incentive for it. Why would a new player buy the DLC if they don’t see it ever?
Before someone says to make 2 DLC playlists…
> We. Get. It.
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> We understand that if you do X or Y or Z, then we’ll have spots for more playlists. Believe me, you are not the first person to bring it up. The suggestion to have 2 DLC playlists is well known around here.
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> Problem is: The. Population. CAN’T. Support. 2. Playlists.
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> I will repeat it again. The Halo 4 population can’t support, nor justify, having two separate playlists. The population of one standard DLC playlist when it was out averaged ~250-300 players. Cut that in half when you have a second playlist. It won’t work. Search times would be horrid and yes, there would most likely be an increase in lag.
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> Which essentially amounts to punishing DLC players, who have paid more for the maps as a premium, to be forced into a low population crap playlist because I want the maps, instead of going the route they are going now where the playlist still has respectable numbers and people playing DLC.
Before someone says that DLC should be free.
> Contact Microsoft, they control pricing. Don’t expect DLC to be free though - it hasn’t been since the Heroic Map Pack in 2008. Get used to shelling it out and just get the Season Pass
It dropped a lot its true but you guys are forgetting GTA V released one of the bigest releases a game that sold soo much in 24hours and im currently playing too. When the hype is gone it will becomee better for Halo 4 but for now I dont think so. Also GTA Online releases Oct. 1st and a lot of other new games release soon so the only thing I can say is BE PATIENT AND GOOD THINGS WILL HAPPEN.
> > Oh no, it can’t be about the money. Why would it ever be about the money? If it wasn’t about the money, it would be free.
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> If it was 100% about the money it woudl be apermanent thing to actually FORCE people to buy the DLC if they want to keep playing the game, oh but shocker! it is not!
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> Perhaps they are just checking if the claims of peopel crying about the DLC never appearing (Wich is quite a bi ton the forums) would show that a lot of people actually have the DLC and want to play those maps? thats why they are monitoring the playlist.
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> Yes of course some will buy the DLC to keep playing even tho it is a temporary thing, and yes there is always money involved, but if it was just 100% money they would just give everyone the finger and make playlists DLC required like H3 did ina permanent way.
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> Also get it through your head the DLC wont be free, there are policies for that, policies handled by Microsoft so 343I cant do anythng about it.
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> And its not only 343I, Valve and Epic Games wich ar eknown for giving content to the players for free cant do that on the Xbox because Microsoft has policies about DLC.
I’m just looking at it from a players perspective, you don’t even play this game. Try not to get that worked up about it. 