I was thinking, could Thel try out peace again but in a more significant way if he has the Fist of Rukt? The act of bestowing it upon a Chieftain and the Chieftain having it would likely have resonance. What do you guys think?
I wouldn’t say that the current Sangheili-Jiralhanae peace accords are dead in the water. It’s true that the Covenant/NCA’s assault on Ealen IV disrupted the attempted peace process, though in retrospect considering both Lydus and the Arbiter scpaed this counter unharmed , it at least shows that there is a need for them to unite in the face of a re-insurgent Covenant which only wants to dominate both races.
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> I wouldn’t say that the current Sangheili-Jiralhanae peace accords are dead in the water. It’s true that the Covenant/NCA’s assault on Ealen IV disrupted the attempted peace process, though in retrospect considering both Lydus and the Arbiter scpaed this counter unharmed , it at least shows that there is a need for them to unite in the face of a re-insurgent Covenant which only wants to dominate both races.
Would Lydus wield the Fist of Rukt?
Has it been confirmed that the Arbiter has the Fist of Rukt in his possession? Tbh it’s a possibility that I’ve never even considered.
I imagine it wouldn’t hurt, in fact like you suggested, it would probably be a great help in working towards peace.
Unless you’re presenting it directly to Tartarus’s clan, this is a bad idea. Think of the Fist of Rukt as a crown. “Bestowing” it upon a person as a complete foreigner is a bad idea. It gives the impression to that person’s subjects and also their enemies that their power to give, take, and do whatever they please is held by someone completely alien to their culture.
Give the hammer back to the Jiralhanae if they demand its return. When they do, it will be squarely on their terms. Expediting that process and in a respectful manner may please a lot more than taking the initiative.
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> Has it been confirmed that the Arbiter has the Fist of Rukt in his possession? Tbh it’s a possibility that I’ve never even considered.
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> I imagine it wouldn’t hurt, in fact like you suggested, it would probably be a great help in working towards peace.
It hasn’t been confirmed, but it’s not unreasonable to think that they confiscated it.
I wish Halo Esacalation would get back to this.
Even though Lydus was kind of a jerk to The Arbiter, I think he is progressive enough to strike a deal with The Arbiter, and I think The Arbiter, despite his distrust of the Jiralhanae, would also be progressive enough to patch things up.
Honestly, it would be excellent growth for both characters and races if Lydus and Arbiter at least tried to bury the hatchet. Would things ever be perfect? Doubt it…but the two sides could at least get along for mutual gain. As a bonus, you could toss in some jazz about Humanity playing peacemaker between the two sides, like a go-between, and throw in some narrative about the Mantle of Responsibility.
With the NCA, Forerunners, and Storm Covenant(s) popping up…it is now a perfect climate to mend old wounds and face the mounting threats that are growing. It makes for good story telling…but 343 has to take advantage of it.
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Make one of the terms of peace that Lydus needs to put cloths on.
I’m really hoping that The Swords of Sanghelios will make peace with the Brutes. I’ve had enough of Halo games demonizing the Brutes of suggesting that they’re little more than ravenous animals. Despite how much acclaim Halo 2 received among fans for humanizing the Covenant (particularly the Sangheili), it failed to suggest that there’s anything admirable about the Jiralhanae. If they were fleshed-out, the brutes could make for an interesting race within the Halo lore, much like the Elites. I’d love to learn more about their traditions and the culture of their pack mentality. Similarly, I’d like to see more diversity to them. They need to stop being solely represented by clearly evil characters such as Tartarus and make the race appear more morally grey.
If Lydus developed into a heroic character, he could demonstrate that not all Brutes are despicable creatures incapable of reason. There should be both good and evil brutes; much like there’s good and evil humans, elites and forerunners. It would just generally make allied and enemy brutes so much more interesting as characters. However, making them respectable doesn’t mean completely removing their warring-culture and savagery. Bioware managed to create a race that embodies these traits through the Krogan in the Mass Effect series. I’d love to see respectable Brute characters for once.
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> I’m really hoping that The Swords of Sanghelios will make peace with the Brutes. I’ve had enough of Halo games demonizing the Brutes of suggesting that they’re little more than ravenous animals. Despite how much acclaim Halo 2 received among fans for humanizing the Covenant (particularly the Sangheili), it failed to suggest that there’s anything admirable about the Jiralhanae. If they were fleshed-out, the brutes could make for an interesting race within the Halo lore, much like the Elites. I’d love to learn more about their traditions and the culture of their pack mentality. Similarly, I’d like to see more diversity to them. They need to stop being solely represented by clearly evil characters such as Tartarus and make the race appear more morally grey.
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> If Lydus developed into a heroic character, he could demonstrate that not all Brutes are despicable creatures incapable of reason. There should be both good and evil brutes; much like there’s good and evil humans, elites and forerunners. It would just generally make allied and enemy brutes so much more interesting as characters. However, making them respectable doesn’t mean completely removing their warring-culture and savagery. Bioware managed to create a race that embodies these traits through the Krogan in the Mass Effect series. I’d love to see respectable Brute characters for once.
100% agree.
The Brutes have been demonized far too long. They are rarely portrayed as anything more than dumb animals. By themselves, they did manage to master space flight, potentially before, or at the same time Humans did. To say that they are dumb makes very little sense and is pretty short sighted. When you compare the cultural exposition of The Brutes to The Sangheili…thee is no comparison. There is WAY more information on the Sangheili and they are written to be far more likeable from the ground up. The Jiralhanae, on the other hand, were written as easily dis-likable bad guys from the start, and it has only got worse as time went on. When Bungie had the controls, they made every effort to portray the Brutes as bad - using the cheapest methods possible. They eat Humans…they must be bad. They growl and snarl and are violent…they must be bad.
I will admit, I find the rough edges of the Jiralhanae to be an endearing quality. It gives them some serious authenticity. They feel natural. It is why I am a fan of the Jiralahanae, and not so much of the Sangheili. I appreciate the normal, regular, natural ways of the Jiralhanae, as opposed to the corporal, mechanical, honor indoctrinated methods of the Sangheili. I always found the Sangheili to be boring as a result of this.
I would love to see Lydus, and even other Brutes, get developed into likeable, strong, and developed characters. I would love to see some growth in Jiralhanae society, some exposition on their culture and practices. I want to see MUCH more of them. The potential for really good story telling is there, but 343 has to jump on it. It would be tough to turn The Jiralhanae around, but it is very possible. I don’t want to see their viscous, aggressive, brutual natures get nerfed…but I do want to see more to them, as a species. Everyone is capable of cooperation, even The Jiralhanae. I would like to see more Brutes like Lydus…forward thinkers, ones with slightly cooler heads, slightly more methodical thinkers. To say that all 12.some Billion Jiralhanae are ALL aggressive and ALL animalistic is sweeping generalization that is an insult to story telling.
Give us some variety and exposition on that Species. They played such a big role in the development of the lore. Give them some time in the spotlight. Take the time to portray them as the good guys for once.
> They are rarely portrayed as anything more than dumb animals
Casual fans just say Brutes are dumb, nothing in the lore portrays that, especially since you see them piloting ships and such.
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> Unless you’re presenting it directly to Tartarus’s clan, this is a bad idea. Think of the Fist of Rukt as a crown. “Bestowing” it upon a person as a complete foreigner is a bad idea. It gives the impression to that person’s subjects and also their enemies that their power to give, take, and do whatever they please is held by someone completely alien to their culture.
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> Give the hammer back to the Jiralhanae if they demand its return. When they do, it will be squarely on their terms. Expediting that process and in a respectful manner may please a lot more than taking the initiative.
100% that^
I don’t think Bungie tried to demonize Brutes, they showed us a part of what they are in a time that was not their best. Brutes may not be evil, but were one of the most savage races of the Covenant. They ate humans because they are savages, apart from their hatred to humanity because of the lies of the Prophet of Truth. I would like to see a peacemaking of the Sangheili and the Humans with the Jiralhanae as much as the next guy, but the savagery of their nature causes their inclination to betrayal, so something big should happen in order for the Brutes to begin to accept peace.
I hate brutes
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> I hate brutes
Sir, allow me to escort you to the Palace of Pain.
Ah so we’re finally bringing up the subject of the Fist of Rukt’s fate again. Excellent.
The thought of Thel kneeling before Lydus and presenting the Hammer to him as part of a big fancy Jiralahanea ceramony to celebrate the Jiralahanea’s relevence and precence in the galaxy would be a spectacular occasion. Everyone could be there, Lasky, the SIVs, Blue team, all the probable members of the Swords of Sanghelios; Rtas, Veer, N’thro, Usze, then there’s Hood of course and Chol who went on to make her united Kig Yar navy and is there to cemment her faction’s place in the galaxy too and now I’m gonna end this paragraph before it goes full fan fiction.
It’d go right up there with John and Thel standing back to back, or Cortana’s final moments.
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> Ah so we’re finally bringing up the subject of the Fist of Rukt’s fate again. Excellent.
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> The thought of Thel kneeling before Lydus and presenting the Hammer to him as part of a big fancy Jiralahanea ceramony to celebrate the Jiralahanea’s relevence and precence in the galaxy would be a spectacular occasion. Everyone could be there, Lasky, the SIVs, Blue team, all the probable members of the Swords of Sanghelios; Rtas, Veer, N’thro, Usze, then there’s Hood of course and Chol who went on to make her united Kig Yar navy and is there to cemment her faction’s place in the galaxy too and now I’m gonna end this paragraph before it goes full fan fiction.
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> It’d go right up there with John and Thel standing back to back, or Cortana’s final moments.
I always found it odd that fans speculated that the Fist of Rukt was in possession of The Sangheili.
If you think about it…The Sangheili are the same species that thought Human weapons were yucky. Why on Earth would they be interested in keeping the weapon of a species they despise?
The Fist of Rukt is in one of three locations…potentially.
1: The Brutes have it. It may have been recovered by some Brute in the aftermath of the the battle in Delta Halo’s control room.
2: It is still in Delta Halo’s control room…gathering dust…next to Tartarus’ corpse.
3: ONI has it. ONI would definatly have interest in the technology that was retrofitted into the weapon. If I recall correctly…ONI had control of Delta Halo as of the late 2550s.
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> > They are rarely portrayed as anything more than dumb animals
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> Casual fans just say Brutes are dumb, nothing in the lore portrays that, especially since you see them piloting ships and such.
People tend to associate “lack of elegance” with “lack of intelligence”.
I fully agree.
None of the Covenant races are intrinsically dumb as majority were space-faring eons before humanity.
The Unngoy got set back due to how early their civilization had advanced and the after effects prevent them from going further.
So if anything,humans are stupid and have to rely on the plot to make them seem otherwise.
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> I don’t think Bungie tried to demonize Brutes, they showed us a part of what they are in a time that was not their best. Brutes may not be evil, but were one of the most savage races of the Covenant. They ate humans because they are savages, apart from their hatred to humanity because of the lies of the Prophet of Truth.
Which in turn demonized them- Bungie made no attempts at making the Brutes a more morally grey race, all they were portrayed as were as you suggest, savages, none of the games of media explored their culture and traditions apart from the idea of “the pack” in Halo 3 and even that was never fully developed.
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> > I don’t think Bungie tried to demonize Brutes, they showed us a part of what they are in a time that was not their best. Brutes may not be evil, but were one of the most savage races of the Covenant. They ate humans because they are savages, apart from their hatred to humanity because of the lies of the Prophet of Truth.
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> Which in turn demonized them- Bungie made no attempts at making the Brutes a more morally grey race, all they were portrayed as were as you suggest, savages, none of the games of media explored their culture and traditions apart from the idea of “the pack” in Halo 3 and even that was never fully developed.
I don’t think this has anything to do with Bungie rather than the mindset “They don’t speak eloquently or have colorful devices thus they are savages”.