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> > To conclude you guys need to appreciate it when the goods are delivered. We’ve got a solid game that’s a major improvement on the MP of 4. It’s fair, balanced and I’m having a lot of fun playing it.
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> So because you are personally having fun any and all complaints, suggestions and criticism are invalid? That isn’t how any of this works. You are free to disagree with the criticisms, but a game that neglects any and all suggestions is doomed to failure.
The game is great. There are a few “good” suggestions but most is just whining and whining.
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> > > To conclude you guys need to appreciate it when the goods are delivered. We’ve got a solid game that’s a major improvement on the MP of 4. It’s fair, balanced and I’m having a lot of fun playing it.
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> > So because you are personally having fun any and all complaints, suggestions and criticism are invalid? That isn’t how any of this works. You are free to disagree with the criticisms, but a game that neglects any and all suggestions is doomed to failure.
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> The game is great. There are a few “good” suggestions but most is just whining and whining.
And that is your opinion and perfectly acceptable so long as you can explain why something may not be a good criticism, suggestion or issue. Calling it whining is antithetical to any real discussion and if that is all you have to contribute, you may as well not even bother. Same goes for anyone who just hates the game and thinks nothing can change.
Jesus Christ can no one see grey anymore? Of COURSE people are going to disagree. You will not be able to appeal to everyone. I love the game, but I know there are some things that can be done to make it better IN MY OPINION**** because it’s just that, an opinion. Half want the pistol strong, the other half want it nerfed. Half the people have fun, the other half don’t. Half the people think 343 has ruined Halo, the other half don’t. It’s called a grey area and there will always be disagreement.
You don’t get to call people that like the game -Yoink- kissers, and you don’t get to call the people that want constructive** change cry babies. Live with each other and work together to find a SOLUTION not a problem. Enough of this nonsense.
A couple of things.
About 7 fish:
Assumptions I’ve pulled out of the thin blue sky? Is that what we’re calling the forum these days? I’ve read countless posts saying this needs nerfing, that games aren’t balanced etc. At the start of games we all have the same gear, how is anyone disadvantaged? Some people are more accurate than others and it’s as simple as that.
Also I didn’t really enjoy the MP in 4 and after the monstrosity that is the MCC I’m far from a 343I fan boy. A part of me still assumes that the MCC was intentionally given to us in the mess it was in to make 5 look wonderful and the company competent, however I digress.
Ceerone: I have seen posts about players outside the US complaining about lag etc but here’s a fun fact for you: I live in London and my internet speeds are 3.5 down and 0.67 up yet I’ve been able to play fine. I’m not saying that other people aren’t legitimately having issues but I didn’t bring them up in my original post either, seeing as you have though it’s worth noting it’s indeed odd.
Also your comment about finding “ME” in team was completely lost on me, went straight over my head.
And in regards to the game being solid, I’ll break it down for you:
From my perspective, I point, I shoot, I see shots land and player dies, I’m satisfied. If I shoot, miss and die Ada result I’m also satisfied, truth be told in the games I’ve had so far on war zone and arena matches I’ve had very few moments when I’ve glared at the screen and thought OMG what BS! I did have a couple playing swat when I would just spawn and die before I even had a chance to react but overall the game in my opinion is solid.
Erik L: I didn’t really follow any of the marketing for the game, I will agree with you that the game is currently short on content, BTB IMO should be shipped at launch, I miss full customisation too and if you know Halo then it’s a given that forge community should not be shunned. I also have my gripes with the campaign but again I didn’t mention that in my initial post.
Don’t get me wrong guys, yes it’s amazing that we can feedback to devs and highlight issues plaguing the game for example the dead zone issue many have highlighted, admittedly that’s something I personally would not be able to identify, however many can and it’s going to be addressed as the company have acknowledged a shortfall.
As far as the way the game plays though I really have no complaints as I said before the experience thus far has been “SOLID”
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> I find it funny how many threads there are requesting various tweaks throughout the game which I’ll gladly say is one of the most solid built I’ve played from launch, for sometime.
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> God forbid that some of you would have to gone through the days of Halo CE and 2 or even Goldeneye! We never used to complain about which weapon was over powered and which was completely useless. We’d identify elements within the game that would suit our play styles and USE THEM TO OUR ADVANTAGE!
> When I first jumped online for Halo 2, I was getting my derriere handed to me, I never took to the forum to vent my frustration, I just practiced, got better and then eventually made up all my deaths by making sure I finished every game with at least 1 kill higher. With time and persistence I got better but nowadays, ha no way would that happen. OMG, the pistol is so powerful, it’s supposed to be a side arm bla bla bla bla bla boohoo!
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> Also complaints regarding the ranking system, some of you guys need to learn and understand the meaning of the phrase “There’s no I in team” so you might get lumbered with a team who maybe aren’t as good as you, I highly doubt you’ve stopped for a moment to think during your selfish heroic struggle to win it for the team that maybe if you shadowed one of your team mates you might be able to get a kill whilst keeping your team mate alive. If you long for nothing more than glory and don’t have a squad, stick to FFA, show everyone else how good your really are
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> To conclude you guys need to appreciate it when the goods are delivered. We’ve got a solid game that’s a major improvement on the MP of 4. It’s fair, balanced and I’m having a lot of fun playing it.
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> Kudos 343I
Just because you think we should “deal with it,” doesn’t mean constructive criticism is any less valid. People can actually enjoy a game and still have plenty to point for refinement.
The fact that there was not any way to efficiently communicate criticism ten years ago or an effective patching system does not make you some resilient person and the rest of us whiners. Dealing with the CE’s pistol’s TTK and range advantage or the its replacement, the BR, and its dominance in 2 and 3, doesn’t mean anything.
Now, I agree that most of the sandbox complaints for this game are people not understanding the focus of precision weapons, but it does not excuse their complaints to just play the “back in my day” card.
Also, the ranking system does take into account individual performance for moving in range of rank, even though it can’t move you up or down.
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> Don’t get me wrong guys, yes it’s amazing that we can feedback to devs and highlight issues plaguing the game for example the dead zone issue many have highlighted, admittedly that’s something I personally would not be able to identify, however many can and it’s going to be addressed as the company have acknowledged a shortfall.
> As far as the way the game plays though I really have no complaints as I said before the experience thus far has been “SOLID”
If you can acknowledge that, why did you initially just say that the game is fair and balanced and for people to not say anything? One can appreciate a game and point out its flaws. I think Fallout 4 is great, but it does bugger all to explain how its crafting system works.
people always complained about Halo. SMG starts in H2, H3 BR spread, almost every aspect of Halo Reach and Halo 4. Halo 5 is hands down the most balanced “out the box” we’ve ever had. Most complaints ive seen have to do with radar, aiming(probably because low aim assist), and BR starts. Other H5 complaints stem from it not being identical to previous halos . Yet 4v4 is still an Arena shooter…Halo 5 IMO is the most unique arena shooter ever…mainly because it mixes arena formula with “modern” movement mechanics. And its done well. However there are some valid complaints like playlists…Where are the fun casual modes or even other traditional modes? Arena is near perfect(more and better maps needed) but I dont want to play Slayer, CTF, Stroongholds, Breakout all day. and 2 of these modes are crammed in 1 playlist with the other modes…I question 343’s logic with the playlist selection.
Kids these days got it pretty good. Games from the 80s and early 90s didn’t even have a way to Save your progress. And the ability to play consoles online with randoms didn’t become a thing until the 21st century. The increase in features and replayability from Halo:CE to Halo 2 to Halo 3 and on down to modern shooters of this decade is greatly higher now, and along comes with that is higher standards.
Constructive criticism is all good, but you must appreciate the fact that Halo 5 truly is the most solid in comparison to the earlier Halo titles and the game just launched, so it will get better. The game even has the potential to bring back the CE-style Pistol fights, since the M6D is being added, whether they allow it in Forge or not it is uncertain but hopefully or I should say they better.
There were more passionate discussions and debates (or whining whatever you want to call it) during Halo 2… There were so many problems in that game. Halo 3 wasn’t the greatest either but it had all the possibilities, which in some ways changed what Halo is or means to some.
Halo 5 was definitely the most tested and the gameplay shows. There could still be some tweaks to how Melee or Grenades work and few various things but overall I have enjoyed getting my -Yoink- kicked which I never did in H2 and H3.
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> …aiming(probably because low aim assist)
I have had issues with aiming but I’m pretty sure it’s not the aim assist. It’s either I’m just not as good anymore due to age/hand soreness or reaction-speed, or it’s because the XBox One controller or programming does not allow the stick to have alot of control on short distances. Like making slight adjustments while strafing to keep the reticule where you want is more difficult and if you move it too much then the acceleration kicks in; the reticule isn’t going where my mind tells it to go. I wonder if the performance of Elite or Scuf woud improve that?
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> > Don’t get me wrong guys, yes it’s amazing that we can feedback to devs and highlight issues plaguing the game for example the dead zone issue many have highlighted, admittedly that’s something I personally would not be able to identify, however many can and it’s going to be addressed as the company have acknowledged a shortfall.
> > As far as the way the game plays though I really have no complaints as I said before the experience thus far has been “SOLID”
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> If you can acknowledge that, why did you initially just say that the game is fair and balanced and for people to not say anything? One can appreciate a game and point out its flaws. I think Fallout 4 is great, but it does bugger all to explain how its crafting system works.
I said the game was fair and balanced but I didn’t say for people not to say anything. Problem with my original post is that I wasn’t specific enough due to interpretation people take away what they want to read. When I said fair and balanced I was referring to guns and loud out’s we all have the same gear there are always going to be people that are better than us.
Again when I talked about the ranking system the post in my mind was specifically aimed at the threads where people moaned about everyone else. I’ll agree it’s annoying that by only winning do you rank up but then logically thinking if it’s personal stats that you want to shine then there’s the FFA play list, team based games should be rewarded for team effort and sometimes things are best kept simple. You want up, win your games, don’t like leaving it to chance, then squad up on the forum with players you can rely on.
And as with everything yes there’s always room for improvement, constructive criticism I’m all for, however posts that are on par with rage quitting won’t resolve a single thing.
The only reason Halo 5 is this was is because they listened to all the complainers who hated on Halo 4, clearly even negative posts make an impact on their development team. Nobody wanted to adapt to Halo 4, they all just whined until this is what we ended up with. After Halo 6 is in development I’m sure they’ll take all of this feedback into account and change the game even more.
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> The only reason Halo 5 is this was is because they listened to all the complainers who hated on Halo 4, clearly even negative posts make an impact on their development team. Nobody wanted to adapt to Halo 4, they all just whined until this is what we ended up with. After Halo 6 is in development I’m sure they’ll take all of this feedback into account and change the game even more.
Or maybe they didn’t find it fun? Plenty of people I saw who complained about Halo 4 were quite good at it. Try to understand different opinions exist.
The game is flawed and missing some of the features people wanted AND expected at launch. Instead of paying attention to the obvious whiners and trolls, we should all be working together to help come up with solutions that hopefully 343i will listen to and take into consideration that will benefit EVERYONE.
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> I find it funny how many threads there are requesting various tweaks throughout the game which I’ll gladly say is one of the most solid built I’ve played from launch, for sometime.
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> God forbid that some of you would have to gone through the days of Halo CE and 2 or even Goldeneye! We never used to complain about which weapon was over powered and which was completely useless. We’d identify elements within the game that would suit our play styles and USE THEM TO OUR ADVANTAGE!
> When I first jumped online for Halo 2, I was getting my derriere handed to me, I never took to the forum to vent my frustration, I just practiced, got better and then eventually made up all my deaths by making sure I finished every game with at least 1 kill higher. With time and persistence I got better but nowadays, ha no way would that happen. OMG, the pistol is so powerful, it’s supposed to be a side arm bla bla bla bla bla boohoo!
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> Also complaints regarding the ranking system, some of you guys need to learn and understand the meaning of the phrase “There’s no I in team” so you might get lumbered with a team who maybe aren’t as good as you, I highly doubt you’ve stopped for a moment to think during your selfish heroic struggle to win it for the team that maybe if you shadowed one of your team mates you might be able to get a kill whilst keeping your team mate alive. If you long for nothing more than glory and don’t have a squad, stick to FFA, show everyone else how good your really are
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> To conclude you guys need to appreciate it when the goods are delivered. We’ve got a solid game that’s a major improvement on the MP of 4. It’s fair, balanced and I’m having a lot of fun playing it.
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> Kudos 343I
I tip my hat to you my good Sir. Golden Gun one shot kill where ever that bullet landed on target but that was fun. RCP-90 high velocity rounds that shot through doors but that was fun too. Doom had the BFG that clears a whole room but that was too. Halo is fun and the Magnum is not a standard pistol. So who ever calls the Magnum a pistol, is clearly not aware of the difference. When Avery Johnson was alive his platoon had a stick and rock. They had to share that stick and rock in battle. Carry on Spartans.
The game is good, don’t get me wrong, but there is many things that can be fixed. For example, The campaign Teammates could be a little more smarter. Or the fact that some of my favorite gamemodes missing and having to deal with some of the most toxic people at the beginning of the round. That’s why there are forums, so people can voice their opinion, so they make this game better.
I agree. I don’t want 343i to buckle, but I do expect them to listen to legitimate messed up items and maybe if they so feel it to fix them. So far the game is average. its not bad its not good. Yet, im bored due to the lack of level selection and games ,But they said they are going to release more free content which I applaud.the only thing I -Yoinking!- hate is the fact of 9000000000000 common and uncommon armors.
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> > > > To conclude you guys need to appreciate it when the goods are delivered. We’ve got a solid game that’s a major improvement on the MP of 4. It’s fair, balanced and I’m having a lot of fun playing it.
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> > > So because you are personally having fun any and all complaints, suggestions and criticism are invalid? That isn’t how any of this works. You are free to disagree with the criticisms, but a game that neglects any and all suggestions is doomed to failure.
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> > The game is great. There are a few “good” suggestions but most is just whining and whining.
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> And that is your opinion and perfectly acceptable so long as you can explain why something may not be a good criticism, suggestion or issue. Calling it whining is antithetical to any real discussion and if that is all you have to contribute, you may as well not even bother. Same goes for anyone who just hates the game and thinks nothing can change.
Yeah, while I hate most of the naysayers opinions, I try to avoid discussions with them because whether I agree with them or not they are entitled to them. You can’t change someone’s mind or paradigm with fancy words, or even truth sometimes, so why try.
“I’m right! Even when I am wrong I’m right!”
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> Thread should be called “make the game better for me, and the 100s of thousands of people this game puts off”
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> You’re one person who likes it. That’s great for you. But for the many other people that don’t for valid reasons it’s not great. I know some gripes like the pistol being op are kind of bad but should still be considered anyway. I mean, you can prove that wrong, right? And just because you think it improves on H4 doesent mean A. Everyone else does B. That it actually does. Many people like me disapprove of the overhaed aiming system and other significant changes to the game.
It goes both ways. Just because you disapprove of the aiming system, doesn’t mean there is anything wrong with it, or that people have to dislike it.
A game developer isn’t going to produce a game that everyone is going to like or have everyone happy with every single aspect of it. So… It is what it is, enjoy it or don’t, play it or don’t. 343 made the game they way they wanted it to be after listening to the community and doing what they thought was best. Expecting them to change something that isn’t broken just because some people don’t like it is ridiculous because either way someone ends up unhappy. Why bother?
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> I agree. I don’t want 343i to buckle, but I do expect them to listen to legitimate messed up items and maybe if they so feel it to fix them. So far the game is average. its not bad its not good. Yet, im bored due to the lack of level selection and games ,But they said they are going to release more free content which I applaud.the only thing I -Yoinking!- hate is the fact of 9000000000000 common and uncommon armors.
Yeah I agree, they need to just fix the broken stuff and keep things the way they are. Making changes based on complaints will always end up with people being upset.
