Make Chief more impressive in the campaign

Everybody can agree that the campaign of h5 was disappointing (and multiplayer (sprint and abilities)).
Master chief is shown less and less as a bad-yoink-
In h5 no.In h4 there’s nothing really special.
Now h3 was very good the cinematics with him and arbiter really were one of the kind.

Now halo 2 this campaign is truly the best cinematics in any halo campaign especially in remastered graphics. It showed chief as the most bad -yoink- in the universe.(returning the bomb scene,where he volunteered to give the bomb back.Best scene ever by far)

Later chief in halo 2 does these narrow escapes .
The best way chief was shown was in this campaign.

Halo 1 also showed him as this selfless soilder.Where he’s saving Keyes or marines,perfect campaign.

What I hope in halo infinite they will show him as this brave soilder who doesn’t care about dying.
(Like halo 2)halo infinite must show him as this super soilder in the cutscenes because frankly after halo 3 master chief just walks around , he’s out of character. Nothing self sacrifice ,death deifying.

Come on 343 more bad-yoink- chief less talking\walking chief.

I disagree that Chief wasn’t badass in Halo 4. He’s just as badass as he was in Halo 2. Chief disembarks a Ghost in a very cool fashion, he straight up disobeys orders from the captain of the Infinity, he skydives and boards a Lich with a knife and easily takes out its crew, and punches a -Yoinking!- nuke. If that’s not badass I don’t know what is. Sure he doesn’t have as many moments in Halo 5, but that’s because he was only in three missions and the campaign was focused on Osiris. Also, how is Chief out of character? It’s not like he had a character to begin with. Halo 4 made him a real character rather than a one-liner spouting cyborg supersoldier.

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> I disagree that Chief wasn’t badass in Halo 4. He’s just as badass as he was in Halo 2. Chief disembarks a Ghost in a very cool fashion, he straight up disobeys orders from the captain of the Infinity, he skydives and boards a Lich with a knife and easily takes out its crew, and punches a -Yoinking!- nuke. If that’s not badass I don’t know what is. Sure he doesn’t have as many moments in Halo 5, but that’s because he was only in three missions and the campaign was focused on Osiris. Also, how is Chief out of character? It’s not like he had a character to begin with. Halo 4 made him a real character rather than a one-liner spouting cyborg supersoldier.

That’s exactly what his character was and I and many other people thought it was cool.

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> > I disagree that Chief wasn’t badass in Halo 4. He’s just as badass as he was in Halo 2. Chief disembarks a Ghost in a very cool fashion, he straight up disobeys orders from the captain of the Infinity, he skydives and boards a Lich with a knife and easily takes out its crew, and punches a -Yoinking!- nuke. If that’s not badass I don’t know what is. Sure he doesn’t have as many moments in Halo 5, but that’s because he was only in three missions and the campaign was focused on Osiris. Also, how is Chief out of character? It’s not like he had a character to begin with. Halo 4 made him a real character rather than a one-liner spouting cyborg supersoldier.
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> That’s exactly what his character was and I and many other people thought it was cool.

I prefer the actual character in Halo 4.

Why don’t we have both? We can just have:

  1. Chief beating up dudes and smashing their faces in
    2.Slight remorse, then a one liner.

It’s not too hard to mix the two types together. Just look at Rambo.

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> I disagree that Chief wasn’t badass in Halo 4. He’s just as badass as he was in Halo 2. Chief disembarks a Ghost in a very cool fashion, he straight up disobeys orders from the captain of the Infinity, he skydives and boards a Lich with a knife and easily takes out its crew, and punches a -Yoinking!- nuke. If that’s not badass I don’t know what is. Sure he doesn’t have as many moments in Halo 5, but that’s because he was only in three missions and the campaign was focused on Osiris. Also, how is Chief out of character? It’s not like he had a character to begin with. Halo 4 made him a real character rather than a one-liner spouting cyborg supersoldier.

Jumps of a ghost wow I’m impressed. He knifes the sangheili and takes over the ship not really you don’t see him doing it ,he just is inside and the body falls down. Cinematics in halo 4 were eh.
Have you even played halo 2 ? Or you started with halo 5?

Edit:Why do people like you need to disagree on everything .They have to be right,you have to have it your way or no way(halo 5 multiplayer best in the series or sprint is the pinnacle of skill)
Are you kidding me?

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> > I disagree that Chief wasn’t badass in Halo 4. He’s just as badass as he was in Halo 2. Chief disembarks a Ghost in a very cool fashion, he straight up disobeys orders from the captain of the Infinity, he skydives and boards a Lich with a knife and easily takes out its crew, and punches a -Yoinking!- nuke. If that’s not badass I don’t know what is. Sure he doesn’t have as many moments in Halo 5, but that’s because he was only in three missions and the campaign was focused on Osiris. Also, how is Chief out of character? It’s not like he had a character to begin with. Halo 4 made him a real character rather than a one-liner spouting cyborg supersoldier.
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> Jumps of a ghost wow I’m impressed. He knifes the sangheili and takes over the ship not really you don’t see him doing it ,he just is inside and the body falls down. Cinematics in halo 4 were eh.
> Have you even played halo 2 ? Or you started with halo 5?

You realize the bolded bit there makes you look condescending right?

Why do you assume that because someone likes the actions scenes from Halo 4 that you consider “meh” must never have played a previous Halo game? Why do you assume this means they must have started with Halo 5 as an alternative to the prior accusation? Is the idea that people can like different aspects of different games hard to grasp?

> Edit:Why do people like you need to disagree on everything .They have to be right,you have to have it your way or no way(halo 5 multiplayer best in the series or sprint is the pinnacle of skill)
> Are you kidding me?

What brought this on?

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> > I disagree that Chief wasn’t badass in Halo 4. He’s just as badass as he was in Halo 2. Chief disembarks a Ghost in a very cool fashion, he straight up disobeys orders from the captain of the Infinity, he skydives and boards a Lich with a knife and easily takes out its crew, and punches a -Yoinking!- nuke. If that’s not badass I don’t know what is. Sure he doesn’t have as many moments in Halo 5, but that’s because he was only in three missions and the campaign was focused on Osiris. Also, how is Chief out of character? It’s not like he had a character to begin with. Halo 4 made him a real character rather than a one-liner spouting cyborg supersoldier.
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> Jumps of a ghost wow I’m impressed. He knifes the sangheili and takes over the ship not really you don’t see him doing it ,he just is inside and the body falls down. Cinematics in halo 4 were eh.
> Have you even played halo 2 ? Or you started with halo 5?
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> Edit:Why do people like you need to disagree on everything .They have to be right,you have to have it your way or no way(halo 5 multiplayer best in the series or sprint is the pinnacle of skill)
> Are you kidding me?

If you want I can name some more things like how he backflips off a brute, or how he caught a cloaked Elite’s strike and threw him down an elevator shaft, or pretty much any assassination in the game. You’re not giving enough credit to that Ghost escape. Maybe you should watch that cutscene again. Also, he doesn’t knife the Elite, he knifes the Lich, the ship the Elite is on.

Let’s look at Halo 2 (which yes of course I’ve played). He gives the Covenant back their bomb, he destroys a Scarab, kills Regret by punching him in the face, and says boo to a grunt (but let’s be real his true feat was beating the jackal snipers). Calling some of these badass is a bit of a stretch for both games, but I hope I proved that Halo 4 and Halo 2 have a similar amount of badass moments.

I don’t disagree on everything. The fact that I disagree shows that I agree with the opposite point, therefore proving I don’t disagree with everything. Trust me dude, I’ve been here long enough to know how to compromise and have a reasonable and civil discussion.

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> > I disagree that Chief wasn’t badass in Halo 4. He’s just as badass as he was in Halo 2. Chief disembarks a Ghost in a very cool fashion, he straight up disobeys orders from the captain of the Infinity, he skydives and boards a Lich with a knife and easily takes out its crew, and punches a -Yoinking!- nuke. If that’s not badass I don’t know what is. Sure he doesn’t have as many moments in Halo 5, but that’s because he was only in three missions and the campaign was focused on Osiris. Also, how is Chief out of character? It’s not like he had a character to begin with. Halo 4 made him a real character rather than a one-liner spouting cyborg supersoldier.
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> That’s exactly what his character was and I and many other people thought it was cool.

Yeah it is cool, but it’s not a real character. What’s wrong with a little added character alongside badass feats and one-liners like in Halo 4?

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> > > I disagree that Chief wasn’t badass in Halo 4. He’s just as badass as he was in Halo 2. Chief disembarks a Ghost in a very cool fashion, he straight up disobeys orders from the captain of the Infinity, he skydives and boards a Lich with a knife and easily takes out its crew, and punches a -Yoinking!- nuke. If that’s not badass I don’t know what is. Sure he doesn’t have as many moments in Halo 5, but that’s because he was only in three missions and the campaign was focused on Osiris. Also, how is Chief out of character? It’s not like he had a character to begin with. Halo 4 made him a real character rather than a one-liner spouting cyborg supersoldier.
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> > That’s exactly what his character was and I and many other people thought it was cool.
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> Yeah it is cool, but it’s not a real character. What’s wrong with a little added character alongside badass feats and one-liners like in Halo 4?

Nothings wrong with that. I guess they could do what Halo 4 did.

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> > > > I disagree that Chief wasn’t badass in Halo 4. He’s just as badass as he was in Halo 2. Chief disembarks a Ghost in a very cool fashion, he straight up disobeys orders from the captain of the Infinity, he skydives and boards a Lich with a knife and easily takes out its crew, and punches a -Yoinking!- nuke. If that’s not badass I don’t know what is. Sure he doesn’t have as many moments in Halo 5, but that’s because he was only in three missions and the campaign was focused on Osiris. Also, how is Chief out of character? It’s not like he had a character to begin with. Halo 4 made him a real character rather than a one-liner spouting cyborg supersoldier.
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> > > That’s exactly what his character was and I and many other people thought it was cool.
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> > Yeah it is cool, but it’s not a real character. What’s wrong with a little added character alongside badass feats and one-liners like in Halo 4?
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> Nothings wrong with that. I guess they could do what Halo 4 did.

I could see that leas I hope they do they dropped the ball so hard with 5

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> Edit:Why do people like you need to disagree on everything .They have to be right,you have to have it your way or no way(halo 5 multiplayer best in the series or sprint is the pinnacle of skill)
> Are you kidding me?

Oh so you want everyone to agree with you on everything?

That’s rather hypocritical.

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> > > > I disagree that Chief wasn’t badass in Halo 4. He’s just as badass as he was in Halo 2. Chief disembarks a Ghost in a very cool fashion, he straight up disobeys orders from the captain of the Infinity, he skydives and boards a Lich with a knife and easily takes out its crew, and punches a -Yoinking!- nuke. If that’s not badass I don’t know what is. Sure he doesn’t have as many moments in Halo 5, but that’s because he was only in three missions and the campaign was focused on Osiris. Also, how is Chief out of character? It’s not like he had a character to begin with. Halo 4 made him a real character rather than a one-liner spouting cyborg supersoldier.
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> > > That’s exactly what his character was and I and many other people thought it was cool.
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> > Yeah it is cool, but it’s not a real character. What’s wrong with a little added character alongside badass feats and one-liners like in Halo 4?
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> Nothings wrong with that. I guess they could do what Halo 4 did.

They absolutely should continue the path for Chief that Halo 4 set.

I prefer the Halo 4 chief by far. Everybody complains about how bad Chief is handled in Halo 5, but he is not so different in personality from the Chief in Halo CE for example, except for the badass moments he still is one liner and it really feels he don’t want to talk at all.
We can have the Chief doing amazing stuff again, but he also can do those things while he is evolving and growing and learning and we can know more about his character. How can this be bad?

I feel like people here are underestimating Chief’s character from the old trilogy. He was so much more than a lifeless cyborg. However he was a “show don’t tell” kind of character. He’s emotions were shown by the way he moved, how he looked around. It was subtle, but it was there in every cut-scene and made him a likable character in first place imho.

The only moment I felt like watching Chief during H4 in a cut-scene was after he awoke the Didact and the Infinity landed on Requiem. Cortana warns him about an enemy behind him, the Spartan turns around with steady AR pointing to the danger just to get surprised by a giant Sphere floating in mid air. Without words he slowly puts the gun down, his head turns up to get a better view and his helmet tilts slightly to the left. Brilliant! This scene had way more emotion in its subtle animation than anything that Chief delivered vocally during the campaign. After this (and art aside) I thought 343i got Chief right, but I got disappointed fairly quickly. What we got was a completely different character molded for the sake of this specific story, but at the same time without regards for what came before. The same could be said about Cortana btw.

Story wise as a stand alone title H4 was good. Not perfect, but good. The interaction between that Cortana and that version of John was really well made and a pleasure to see. However it could have been done with the originals as well, and it would have been more impactful and emotional imho. Seeing how it would have been build up for so many years! Instead they rewrote the two and molded into new personas.

My hope for Hi’s Chief is not the “bad–Yoink-”, I think the studio can pull that of. No, my concern is if 343i can nail the subtle but filled with narrative animations from the Bungie era! Silent doesn’t equal to emotionless, another thing the recent Doom did amazingly imho!

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> I feel like people here are underestimating Chief’s character from the old trilogy. He was so much more than a lifeless cyborg. However he was a “show don’t tell” kind of character. He’s emotions were shown by the way he moved, how he looked around. It was subtle, but it was there in every cut-scene and made him a likable character in first place imho.
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> The only moment I felt like watching Chief during H4 in a cut-scene was after he awoke the Didact and the Infinity landed on Requiem. Cortana warns him about an enemy behind him, the Spartan turns around with steady AR pointing to the danger just to get surprised by a giant Sphere floating in mid air. Without words he slowly puts the gun down, his head turns up to get a better view and his helmet tilts slightly to the left. Brilliant! This scene had way more emotion in its subtle animation than anything that Chief delivered vocally during the campaign. After this (and art aside) I thought 343i got Chief right, but I got disappointed fairly quickly. What we got was a completely different character molded for the sake of this specific story, but at the same time without regards for what came before. The same could be said about Cortana btw.
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> Story wise as a stand alone title H4 was good. Not perfect, but good. The interaction between that Cortana and that version of John was really well made and a pleasure to see. However it could have been done with the originals as well, and it would have been more impactful and emotional imho. Seeing how it would have been build up for so many years! Instead they rewrote the two and molded into new personas.
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> My hope for Hi’s Chief is not the “bad–Yoink-”, I think the studio can pull that of. No, my concern is if 343i can nail the subtle but filled with narrative animations from the Bungie era! Silent doesn’t equal to emotionless, another thing the recent Doom did amazingly imho!

I feel a lot of this is somewhat…off, to put it lightly.

You are correct that the original trilogy did have some good character moments with Chief articulated with his body language. Combat Evolved in particular stands out with his reassuring pat on a Marine’s shoulder whose freaking out, the way he conveys a “Wait, what?” attitude when Cortana tells him to hurry and save Keyes after she learns of the Flood, the way he playfully plays with a grenade towards the end when Cortana tells him about blowing the Autumn, all good stuff. Halo 2 doesn’t do much for me though Halo 3 has that calm moment when he reunites with Cortana, drops to her level, and talks with her.

I think you are way off in how you are saying that Chief, and Cortana, are essentially different characters from what they were before. If anything, Halo 4 brought Chief and Cortana closer to how they have been in the games and expanded universe. Chief is ultimately still a man of few words, but he talks plenty to people in the books and having him be closed-mouthed in Halo 4 while Cortana goes through her experiences with rampancy would be a terrible narrative choice. What we do get, however, is a man out of his league. Early on when Chief tries to reassure Cortana things are going to be okay, I can hear the uncertainty in his voice. And Cortana calls him on that, he doesn’t really know how or what rampancy is experienced by AIs, but he’s trying his best. To say they had little regard to what came before seems short-sighted when you aren’t playing with a full deck so to speak. Same applies for Cortana, I mean, I have to question you on how you think rampancy would be experienced. You saw glimpses of it in Halo 3 when the Gravemind pushed her to the brink of rampancy (and the short story Human Weakness shows just how invasive and cruel that process was). Is it a surprise that the real thing is like it? Even so, she troopers on when she can like the old games, but does get discouraged when she is made very aware of her shortcomings in performance. She KNOWS she is dying, probably moreso than any of us could ever feel. Yet her last act is to restrain the Didact and save Chief. What’s more Cortana than that?

343 nailed precisely what you were looking for. He was silent when he needed to be, but was an actual character when he needed to be.

Chief seemed broken emotionally in H5. Hopefully he gets his shot together in HI and we get our badass back.