Hear me out, I know what your thinking but this isn’t one of ‘those’ threads.
Basically 343 said the reason they didn’t do a 1-50 like halo 2 or 3 was because of the hacking, cheating, and general miss use of the system to boost or otherwise gain rank not earned.
My problem with this is that people boosting and cheating has nothing to do with the 1-50 system and everything to do with the game developers using a system that CAN be exploited in the first place.
The whole point of a ranking system like the 1-50 is it allows you to play against other players in your skill range, it allows you to try to better your self and gain skill in the game. Of course naturally your going to have people that try to cheat or want to cheat the system to gain unfair rank. That’s going to happen no matter what ranking system you use.
Bungies fix for this was to simply not have a ranking system in halo reach (essentially, I don’t really count ‘arena’ as a ranking system). Which was a terrible idea.
I dunno I guess I’m just frustrated, the biggest thing I loved about halo 2 and halo 3 was getting together with my friends and trying to push our rank as high as we could. It made for some amazingly intense and awesome games. Calling things out to my friends, playing like my life depended on it (because my 43 rank did!), heart beating at 80 bpm. Those were some seriously good times.
What are your guys’ thoughts. I know 343 has said they are going to have ‘some kind’ of ranking system but I wonder how it will turn out. Reach had ‘some kind’ of a ranking system too.
I wish someone could come up with a bullet proof (or at least 95% bullet proof) 1-50 ranking system and present it to 343. I realize that there are probably hundreds of other ranking systems that would work just as well as the 1-50 at displaying skill but I’m no game designer.
Post your rank system designs below!!
Edit: I realize the trueskill system still exists and thats what pairs you in matchmaking but we need a way to identify or see how well we’re doing or where we sit among other players.
This thread is going to spiral like the others no doubt!
While a new ranking system (If they come up with one) will no doubt attract cheaters, the old system has already proved itself that it can’t work.
Not attacking you personally OP, a lot of people refuse to accept the fact that 1-50 is gone and its causes topics of this type being locked every time.
People need to let it go and they have to just wait and see what 343i come up with.
Oh believe me, I hope this new system becomes the new 1-50!
I agree we really don’t know yet, I’m just worried that they aren’t taking the competitive play portion seriously enough. I know that the competitive community is smaller than the casual play community and that’s the biggest reason why a lot of games I play I end up not enjoying that much.
I don’t know, I guess I’m just hoping that the hardcore / competitive folks don’t get left out in the cold dark night again, I’ve seen it happen so many times in various different games since this new era of ‘mainstream gaming’ where the majority of players are just casual players and not the type of guys that are going to play games 5+ hours a day like some of us epic nerds from the good old days.
Another thing that is kind of related (I feel) is the use of a microphone.
It’s non existent in halo reach. And I can tell you right now the reason is because there is no ranks. You go back to halo 3, while there are still far less people using mic’s there are still a lot more that do than don’t.
I miss the good old days of talking trash to the other team that we just got paired against, smoking them and then talking even more awesome trash in the post game lobby before leaving.
Or talking trash to some team and then getting absolutely man handled and having to leave the post game lobby ASAP to avoid the already brutal embarrassment lmao!
Nobody talks anymore because the games don’t matter. You just show up win or lose, who cares.
I think that a definite ranking system should exist for those who want it. I however do not want it do be crammed down everyone’s throats like halo 3’s 1-50 I don’t like the attitude that most 50’s seem to adopt. I think it should be in the background however viewable by anyone who wants to see it like reach’s BPR however have it actually mean something other than reach’s broken mess of MM pairing.
I think something that the 343 guys may be missing is that while there were a lot of problems with the old 1-50 ranking, I can guarantee you most of the players from the 1-50 times will tell you they still had more fun with the (somewhat crappy) 1-50 than they did with no ranking system at all (halo reach).
I guess the bottom line is, there is a reason why halo 2 and halo 3 were massively more popular and stayed popular for longer. I mean what does reach have for players online during the week days at peak hours? Like 30,000? I remember halo 2 having 200,000 players online 6 years after release during week day peak hours.
In the end an (arguably crappy) 1-50 ranking system was better than no ranking system at all.
> I think something that the 343 guys may be missing is that while there were a lot of problems with the old 1-50 ranking, I can guarantee you most of the players from the 1-50 times will tell you they still had more fun with the (somewhat crappy) 1-50 than they did with no ranking system at all (halo reach).
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> I guess the bottom line is, there is a reason why halo 2 and halo 3 were massively more popular and stayed popular for longer. I mean what does reach have for players online during the week days at peak hours? Like 30,000? I remember halo 2 having 200,000 players online 6 years after release during week day peak hours.
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> In the end an (arguably crappy) 1-50 ranking system was better than no ranking system at all.
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> imo
Say what you will about people wanting to play more with having a rank, what about Halo CE for Xbox and PC?..
No ranks there, yet people played it for hours on end through LAN parties and online with xbox connect. Pretty sure some still do! Haven’t been on the PC version myself lately but no doubt people still play it.
I personally don’t care for a good ranking system, but i know a lot of people do. And i am sure that 343 knows that. and they haven’t disappointed me so far, so i have faith that they will come through. I am glad that they are trying to make a fool proof system. I trust that they will make the competitive community happy. And what makes a game competitive is everyone is around the same skill. And they already said they would match same skill players. so i wouldn’t really worry about it to much, at least until we know more.
> > I think something that the 343 guys may be missing is that while there were a lot of problems with the old 1-50 ranking, I can guarantee you most of the players from the 1-50 times will tell you they still had more fun with the (somewhat crappy) 1-50 than they did with no ranking system at all (halo reach).
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> > I guess the bottom line is, there is a reason why halo 2 and halo 3 were massively more popular and stayed popular for longer. I mean what does reach have for players online during the week days at peak hours? Like 30,000? I remember halo 2 having 200,000 players online 6 years after release during week day peak hours.
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> > In the end an (arguably crappy) 1-50 ranking system was better than no ranking system at all.
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> > imo
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> Say what you will about people wanting to play more with having a rank, what about Halo CE for Xbox and PC?..
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> No ranks there, yet people played it for hours on end through LAN parties and online with xbox connect. Pretty sure some still do! Haven’t been on the PC version myself lately but no doubt people still play it.
True, but people still play other games that didn’t have ranking systems in them too, old ones at that.
I’m just comparing recent games, and the amount of people that still play CE is pretty small, sure they’re there but compared to the amount of people that still play other halos its quite little.
The comparison really isn’t the same.
Hell there are still almost as many people playing halo 3 regularly as there are on reach just about. Simply because it was that much better and gave people a reason to go back and keep playing.
People got bored and tired of reach because they had no reason to go back, the game was boring and stale and multiplay is just a shadow of what it used to be.
I guess the biggest thing that gets me is, sure there are people that don’t care about a ranking system, but why let that stop you from having one? If they don’t care then they don’t care.
I doubt there are many people that are apposed to having a ranking system. You can play ranked or you can play social just like halo 3. I just don’t see any reason why they shouldn’t include a system where you can gain or lose rank based on how well your playing.
> Another thing that is kind of related (I feel) is the use of a microphone.
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> It’s non existent in halo reach. And I can tell you right now the reason is because there is no ranks. You go back to halo 3, while there are still far less people using mic’s there are still a lot more that do than don’t.
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> I miss the good old days of talking trash to the other team that we just got paired against, smoking them and then talking even more awesome trash in the post game lobby before leaving.
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> Or talking trash to some team and then getting absolutely man handled and having to leave the post game lobby ASAP to avoid the already brutal embarrassment lmao!
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> Nobody talks anymore because the games don’t matter. You just show up win or lose, who cares.
Odd, I avoided using my mic in Halo 3 due to the trash talking, not everyone finds trash talk fun.
> > Another thing that is kind of related (I feel) is the use of a microphone.
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> > It’s non existent in halo reach. And I can tell you right now the reason is because there is no ranks. You go back to halo 3, while there are still far less people using mic’s there are still a lot more that do than don’t.
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> > I miss the good old days of talking trash to the other team that we just got paired against, smoking them and then talking even more awesome trash in the post game lobby before leaving.
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> > Or talking trash to some team and then getting absolutely man handled and having to leave the post game lobby ASAP to avoid the already brutal embarrassment lmao!
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> > Nobody talks anymore because the games don’t matter. You just show up win or lose, who cares.
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> Odd, I avoided using my mic in Halo 3 due to the trash talking, not everyone finds trash talk fun.
Trash talk was just a silly example of what the mic used to be used for.
A real example was communication and teamwork. That doesn’t exist in halo reach, at all. Remember random matchmaking games in halo 2? Remember how when it was 40 to 40 and everyone on your team is screaming calling -Yoink- out like someone had a gun to their head. Mind you all these guys are randoms and your working together trying to win so hard because it actually meant something.
You used to make friends in matchmaking because everyone used their mics to communicate.
Now its just silent, boring, un-interesting, rewardless and down right sad.
According to Frankie, the boosting and cheating made ranks near and above 40 effectively meaningless, so polluted with cheaters.
Sure, 1-50 works great, when you’re not running into its problems.
I’m eagerly awaiting 343i’s new system.
So far, there are technically two. The skill-based system is supposed to still be an understandable and accurate representation of skill, but won’t encourage cheating and boosting. There is a large bonus for winning and going for the objective, so a team-based effort and incentive to win should be there too.