Listen up Spartans (Everyone)

Games Other Halo
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After yesterday and today i realized something, it took alot of fighting amongst each other, flaming, name calling, near fist fights between brothers (probably wrong about the last one) but, anyway. Look at the result. So lets get down to it.

From this day on, we stand together on issues that could or should divide us!
Casual and competitive, put your differences aside, and join together so that we can speak as one voice if we want change.
Sure they listened to the forum, but only after so much in-fighting, we should not be fighting with each other, we should be fighting FOR each other, so that ALL halo players are happy.

It is now up to all of us to help shape this new skill ranking system to be balanced and fair, to truly reward the skilled but at the same time give others reason to play better who once may have not cared to be better. All of you Beasts out there take a “noob” under your wing and turn them into a skilled killing machine, so they in turn can help someone else. A forger show a competitive player that building maps is also fun, collaborate together so maps can be more fun to play, invite them into your forge session to ask questions and get tips on building maps that create a fun atmosphere for all players.

Lets us not complain until we get our way, let us unite, as halo players, for when change is needed. If you see a thread that is asking for something, even if its not your cup of tea, join in to help your fellow spartan and we can make change.

Seriously, we would be such a force to reckoned with if we all joined together on the issues we want solved, answered, addressed, or changed.
Lets not only prove to 343i that casual/competitive can work together, but that All spartans can work together. Lets prove to all those other forum that we are not a laughing stock of whiners and complainers, but work diplomatically towards a common goal.

United we stand, divided we fail.

Thanks for your time everybody!

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salutes

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The divide between the needs/wants is wide, but some folks might be willing to speak in one voice. It would make things easier, but you also have to remember we are a small community in the grand scheme of things.

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Best post I’ve read all day. I salute you sir!

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> The divide between the needs/wants is wide, but some folks might be willing to speak in one voice. It would make things easier, but you also have to remember we are a small community in the grand scheme of things.

Yes, that may be true, but if we are diplomatic about it, compromises will have to be made sometimes and a few feeling could be injured, but nothing to serious. We may be a small community but there are 315,000 registered members, and in the coming days our numbers will only grow stronger. Other communities will look to these forums as a beacon on how they should respond, only gathering more to be involved.
And now i will say this:

If other communities see us in a more respectable manner there members will join over here, we need to carry ourselves in manner that is more open to suggestion from either side of the community, i hate even have to say side. What we need is to pull together here first, then reach out to other communities, HBO, 343industries.org, B-net, and even Neo-Gaf whose members have direct connections with ALOT of industry people and 343i employees.

Show 343i that when they speak to us, given the chance, we actually are friendly to them and present questions in a mild, calm manner, so they feel unthreatened to post on their own forums. We can unite together, we can do this.

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Implying that everyone whining the past couple days made 343i implement this.

Or maybe i misunderstood your post :(?

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> Implying that everyone whining the past couple days made 343i implement this.

Fighting would be a better word, whining was stuffed into a Scorpian and fired off the internet, it was a battleground, take a look, probably 20 pages deep by now.

And that is what led me to this realization. We should never have to one another for change, we should be fighting together for change.

This would have been alot smoother.

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Let us all act like gentlemen…until Nov. 6th when we’re all beating the crap out of each other

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PMA positive mental attitude, I come on here at least once a day and a lot of the time I completly disagree with whatever’s being said but I try to be polite and helpfull. Theres no point in being a -Yoink- doesnt help anyone.

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> After yesterday and today i realized something, it took alot of fighting amongst each other, flaming, name calling, near fist fights between brothers (probably wrong about the last one) but, anyway. Look at the result. So lets get down to it.
>
> From this day on, we stand together on issues that could or should divide us!
> Casual and competitive, put your differences aside, and join together so that we can speak as one voice if we want change.
> Sure they listened to the forum, but only after so much in-fighting, we should not be fighting with each other, we should be fighting FOR each other, so that ALL halo players are happy.
>
> It is now up to all of us to help shape this new skill ranking system to be balanced and fair, to truly reward the skilled but at the same time give others reason to play better who once may have not cared to be better. All of you Beasts out there take a “noob” under your wing and turn them into a skilled killing machine, so they in turn can help someone else. A forger show a competitive player that building maps is also fun, collaborate together so maps can be more fun to play, invite them into your forge session to ask questions and get tips on building maps that create a fun atmosphere for all players.
>
> Lets us not complain until we get our way, let us unite, as halo players, for when change is needed. If you see a thread that is asking for something, even if its not your cup of tea, join in to help your fellow spartan and we can make change.
>
> Seriously, we would be such a force to reckoned with if we all joined together on the issues we want solved, answered, addressed, or changed.
> Lets not only prove to 343i that casual/competitive can work together, but that All spartans can work together. Lets prove to all those other forum that we are not a laughing stock of whiners and complainers, but work diplomatically towards a common goal.
>
> United we stand, divided we fail.
>
> Thanks for your time everybody!

THIS!!!

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Sounds cool and all, but you’re asking the impossible. It is only human nature that we tend to hate one another. People will only play nice and fair if you put an actual gun to their head. A huge community will only unite around an idea if it strikes a disadvantage to people. For example, if aliens attacked Earth, only then would we unite under the survival of our species.

Not to discourage you or anything, but do try to find something we as a community can all complain about. Otherwise your preaching ain’t gonna work.

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That sounds nice except that we’re divided over things that we disagree on. I don’t care about competitive players and I would rather not have ranks visible anywhere. I am a worse player than the people who want ranks. I’m not trying to hide that. I will never agree with you. I play Halo a lot too, and there’s no reason your opinion is more valid than mine.

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> Let us all act like gentlemen…until Nov. 6th when we’re all beating the crap out of each other

Exactly, there is no need to be fighting here, let happen on the battlefield.

There should be a stickied thread in recruting that allows players or teams (forum members) to grudge match each other, problem on the forum settle it on the battlefield. Throw down the gauntlets and settle it like men/women.

I will say to you admittedly, i am a casual player, but i used to play tournament Mortal Kombat II, seriously. I know where the other side is coming from. I just “wanted” to resist helping them because i was jaded by other egomaniacs long ago. After reading thread after thread of nothing but fighting, being sucked into fights that felt like black holes, if you were around, your where in it. THAT my friends is not a place someone feels welcome or willing to participate in. We simply cant have that.

So i turned the other cheek, and began getting behind players who need to be heard, if i see something thats fair, i will stand behind the most “competitive” players there is, from this day forward.

We are 343i forum members.

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Sits back, hand on chin, arm folded under elbow.

Thinks

“Where’s the callouts over the radar? I need to go shotgun the toilet.”

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> That sounds nice except that we’re divided over things that we disagree on. I don’t care about competitive players and I would rather not have ranks visible anywhere. I am a worse player than the people who want ranks. I’m not trying to hide that. I will never agree with you. I play Halo a lot too, and there’s no reason your opinion is more valid than mine.

This is what i am talking about, if we help each other there would be no disagreement then. You should care about them, we are halo players.
You admit to being the “worst” player. We have a place on these very forums that, i bet you could ask for help to get better, who knows, someone is totally BA could teach you pointers. If you dont want to better, then i guess i couldnt help you, you could only help yourself.

I am proposing that all opinions are valid, no matter who makes them, its when people are unwilling to listen that effective communication breaks down. There are ways to be persuasive without being insulting, or rude. Those are usually the knee-jerk reactions of the extremely upset.

Any disagreement can be brought to compromise if both sides are open minded and willing to atleast hear each other out.

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> > Let us all act like gentlemen…until Nov. 6th when we’re all beating the crap out of each other
>
> Exactly, there is no need to be fighting here, let happen on the battlefield.
>
> There should be a stickied thread in recruting that allows players or teams (forum members) to grudge match each other, problem on the forum settle it on the battlefield. Throw down the gauntlets and settle it like men/women.
>
> I will say to you admittedly, i am a casual player, but i used to play tournament Mortal Kombat II, seriously. I know where the other side is coming from. I just “wanted” to resist helping them because i was jaded by other egomaniacs long ago. After reading thread after thread of nothing but fighting, being sucked into fights that felt like black holes, if you were around, your where in it. THAT my friends is not a place someone feels welcome or willing to participate in. We simply cant have that.
>
> So i turned the other cheek, and began getting behind players who need to be heard, if i see something thats fair, i will stand behind the most “competitive” players there is, from this day forward.
>
> We are 343i forum members.

I read this while I heard my TV play epic music in the background! Epic.

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> After yesterday and today i realized something, it took alot of fighting amongst each other, flaming, name calling, near fist fights between brothers (probably wrong about the last one) but, anyway. Look at the result. So lets get down to it.
>
> From this day on, we stand together on issues that could or should divide us!
> Casual and competitive, put your differences aside, and join together so that we can speak as one voice if we want change.
> Sure they listened to the forum, but only after so much in-fighting, we should not be fighting with each other, we should be fighting FOR each other, so that ALL halo players are happy.
>
> It is now up to all of us to help shape this new skill ranking system to be balanced and fair, to truly reward the skilled but at the same time give others reason to play better who once may have not cared to be better. All of you Beasts out there take a “noob” under your wing and turn them into a skilled killing machine, so they in turn can help someone else. A forger show a competitive player that building maps is also fun, collaborate together so maps can be more fun to play, invite them into your forge session to ask questions and get tips on building maps that create a fun atmosphere for all players.
>
> Lets us not complain until we get our way, let us unite, as halo players, for when change is needed. If you see a thread that is asking for something, even if its not your cup of tea, join in to help your fellow spartan and we can make change.
>
> Seriously, we would be such a force to reckoned with if we all joined together on the issues we want solved, answered, addressed, or changed.
> Lets not only prove to 343i that casual/competitive can work together, but that All spartans can work together. Lets prove to all those other forum that we are not a laughing stock of whiners and complainers, but work diplomatically towards a common goal.
>
> United we stand, divided we fail.
>
> Thanks for your time everybody!

Aye. We need to come together under one banner, so that we may all have something to enjoy and cherish.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B01o2xtJwgk&feature=fvwrel

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> > That sounds nice except that we’re divided over things that we disagree on. I don’t care about competitive players and I would rather not have ranks visible anywhere. I am a worse player than the people who want ranks. I’m not trying to hide that. I will never agree with you. I play Halo a lot too, and there’s no reason your opinion is more valid than mine.
>
> This is what i am talking about, if we help each other there would be no disagreement then. You should care about them, we are halo players.
> You admit to being the “worst” player. We have a place on these very forums that, i bet you could ask for help to get better, who knows, someone is totally BA could teach you pointers. If you dont want to better, then i guess i couldnt help you, you could only help yourself.
>
> I am proposing that all opinions are valid, no matter who makes them, its when people are unwilling to listen that effective communication breaks down. There are ways to be persuasive without being insulting, or rude. Those are usually the knee-jerk reactions of the extremely upset.
>
> Any disagreement can be brought to compromise if both sides are open minded and willing to atleast hear each other out.

I’m far from the worst player. The worst that participates in these sorts of threads? Maybe.

But this is what you don’t understand. I don’t care about the needs of competitive players because the some of the things you want are in opposition to the things I want.

I don’t want your help to get better. I don’t play the same kind of game as you do, and I don’t care to.

It’s not about wrong or right. I don’t think I’m right and you’re wrong. I don’t think your opinion is invalid either. I think I’m different and you’re different. Some differences are additive. You can have a Team Swat playlist, and I’ll play in it a few times. Some differences are pure conflict. You want a visible rank, and I don’t want a visible rank anywhere for anyone. It makes the game you play better, it makes the game I play worse.

Paradoxically, I think it’s cool that modern games track so many stats, and I like looking at them, but still, I don’t like how they’ve changed the game somewhat. Before K/D was tracked, players would play to win matches. That’s the way I still play. In a general sense, of course, the majority of players play to win matches, but now K/D is a priority for some players too. When there is a conflict between winning a match, having fun, helping teammates, and maintaining a good K/D, some players will choose to maintain prioritize K/D. I’m not saying it’s wrong; it’s just different. Of course, the best players can still handle it all, but that’s not everyone.

I admit it has changed me too. I played hundreds of hours of Halo 1 PC multiplayer and probably >95% was spent playing CTF. Back then, I would do literally anything to help my team win. I would use whatever strategy helped defend my flag, return my flag, capture the enemy’s flag, or protect a teammate carrying the flag, even if it meant dying a lot. In Halo 3, I did that for a while, but at some point I started pulling back (too late to save my K/D there), and I don’t play the same in Reach, but I also think that’s less fun.

Anyways, I really got sidetracked. The point is, I don’t want to get better at the competitive game. That’s not fun for me. I am not saying that some opinions are valid and others are not (though I do hate the way some complainers use the language of entitlement and absolute), but I am saying that there are some matters on which different players are divided for legitimiate reasons and in some cases, there is no bridge between the two.