Listen up 343 -- Breaking down Halo 4

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All of the following are standard features that the COD series has been using, or not been using. Most of them have been in the games since Modern Warefare back in 2007.

Custom Loadouts
COD - Yes

Halo CE - No
Halo 2 - No
Halo 3 - No
Halo Reach - No
Halo 4 - Yes

Instant Respawn
COD - Yes

Halo CE - No
Halo 2 - No
Halo 3 - No
Halo Reach - No
Halo 4 - Yes

Perks
COD - Yes

Halo CE - No
Halo 2 - No
Halo 3 - No
Halo Reach - No
Halo 4 - Yes

Individual Perks Copied
COD Slight of Hand - Halo 4 Dexterity
COD Extreme Conditioning - Halo 4 Mobility
COD Overkill - Halo 4 Firepower
COD ability to change care packages - Halo 4 Tracker

Theres probably more but I’m moving on…

Ranking System
COD - No

Halo CE - DNQ
Halo 2 - Yes
Halo 3 - Yes
Halo Reach - Yes (I’m counting Arena)
Halo 4 - No

Weapon unlocking system
COD - Yes

Halo CE - No
Halo 2 - No
Halo 3 - No
Halo Reach - No
Halo 4 - Yes

Join in progress
COD - Yes

Halo CE - DNQ
Halo 2 - No
Halo 3 - No
Halo Reach - No
Halo 4 - Yes

Starting Games Uneven
COD - Yes

Halo CE - DNQ
Halo 2 - No
Halo 3 - No
Halo Reach - No
Halo 4 - Yes

Kill Cam
COD - Yes

Halo CE - No
Halo 2 - No
Halo 3 - No
Halo Reach - No
Halo 4 - Yes

No Friendly Fire
COD - Yes

Halo CE - No
Halo 2 - No
Halo 3 - No
Halo Reach - No
Halo 4 - Yes

Weapon Drops (Care Packages/Ordinance)
COD - Yes

Halo CE - No
Halo 2 - No
Halo 3 - No
Halo Reach - No
Halo 4 - Yes

Default Sprinting
COD - Yes

Halo CE - No
Halo 2 - No
Halo 3 - No
Halo Reach - No
Halo 4 - Yes

XP Progression System
COD - Yes

Halo CE - No
Halo 2 - No
Halo 3 - No
Halo Reach - Yes
Halo 4 - Yes

Anyone got anything else to add? I came up with 16 direct things that Halo 4 has copied off COD. I’m sure there is more.

There is nothing to play for because there is no ranking sytem. There is no penalty for quiting so there are players constantly coming and going, games are constantly being started with uneven teams. This is not fun. I have like 15 Sparton Points and what am I suppossed to do with them? That was very poorly designed. Almost every game I am playing players that have played the game 2 times or even 3 times more than me. And since I did not get any special editions of the game, I can not get any of the other specializations that other players are using. So I am a level 47, and I constantly am playing against players who have special perks that I don’t have any access too. That is not fair. Halo MP was built on being competitive and balanced with all players being equal. No one has any advantage over the other. It all comes down skill and teamwork. NOTHING ELSE. The core elements that made Halo so special are no longer present. This is Call of Halo.

Also if your going to add a killcam, at least make it worth properly. The killcam is a joke and just needs to be removed. Do they not test this stuff before they launced the game? I have not seen 1 killcam where the player who was shooting me actually shot me in the killcam. That doesn’t happen in COD. The only thing that happens when I watch the kill came is get pissed off because of how awful it is. Just take it out for the love of god.

Implementing a VISIBLE ranking system on the console is CRITICAL to the longterm viability to the game, and is the single most important thing 343 should do. People who don’t care or don’t want to play ranked games can play unranked games(social playlists). I can not stress this enough. And the people out there who keep defending to 343 of not having one in Halo 4 are doing the game an injustice and the Halo population will suffer for it. Please stop.

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CoD isn’t the only game to share the new additions that Halo has.

Battlefield, Crisis, MoH, Team Fortress 2, Counter Strike (through mods) and many other shooters also share custom loadouts, Instant Re-spawns, JiP, Perks.

If Halo 4 is like any other shooter on the market it’s going to be Battlefield. Which is NOT a bad thing at all since BF is a good game.

Stop being so narrow minded and thinking about How Halo’s like CoD and open your eyes.

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> CoD isn’t the only game to share the new additions that Halo has.
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> Battlefield, Crisis, MoH, Team Fortress 2, Counter Strike (through mods) and many other shooters also share custom loadouts, Instant Re-spawns, JiP, Perks.
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> If Halo 4 is like any other shooter on the market it’s going to be Battlefield. Which is NOT a bad thing at all since BF is a good game.
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> Stop being so narrow minded and thinking about How Halo’s like CoD and open your eyes.

Why can’t Halo 4 just be like Halo? Why does it have to be like any other game for any other reason than so CoD-kid #1208365 can pick it up and know what to do?

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I have no problem with most of the similarities you mentioned, but I agree that visible ranks are an absolute MUST HAVE. That’s the only real way I will be playing much matchmaking in the future. Otherwise I’ll stay in customs where I can manually balance the teams based on skill. Or making a to4 for gb.

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I understand games copy off each other. In the real world it’s all about the $$$. And if were breaking it all down Halo 4 is what it is today because of money. CoD is the most successful console game in the history of videos games so others are going to copy off what they do. The problem here is that Halo was already very successful. Halo was it’s own game unlike any other and did not need to copy off anyone.

I really think some of you would play Halo no matter what they did to it. Some are just that loyal to the name. And if so that’s fine, but a ton of people who grew up playing Halo CE, 2, and 3 MP are not happy with the Halo 4 MP. Why? Because the core structure of what made Halo MP so special has been changed. That score structure for the millionth time, is a strong competitive MP with balanced gameplay across the board. The game can still 'evolve" and change with keeping that core structure in place.

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I’m sick and tired of people comparing this game to CoD.

(Note, when I say "All Halos, I mean Halo 1, 2, 3, Reach and 4, not the spin-offs)

ADS.

CoD - Yes.

All Halos - No.

Weapon Attachments

CoD - Yes.

All Halos - No.

Offensive/Supportive AI controlled Vehicles

CoD - Yes.

All Halos - No.

Armor Customization

CoD - No.

All Halos - Yes. (I include Halo 1 because you could change your armor color at least.)

Also, lets take a look at some examples of what CoD has that Halo had before it.

Regenerating Health

Motion Tracker/Heart Beat Sensor

Sticky/Semtex Grenades

Look, I know the game has flaws (certain weapons being unbalanced and a plethora of features being removed from previous titles) but this games does NOT feel like a Call of Duty game. I don’t see ENTIRE LOBBIES running around quick scoping with sniper rifles, any form of AI controlled air vehicles in the sky, or plain human beings running around maps.

You also can’t spawn with power weapons, such as snipers or rockets either. Sure we have a whole variety of weapons to choose from, but we are given a limited set (not the entire sandbox) and they’re unlocked fairly quickly.

You stop.

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You do realize almost everything you listed, COD took from Rainbow 6. You can go down the list til you find the originator, which would be every Role Playing game ever made.

Custom Loadouts, Perks, EXP = Rank/level, all features that originated in Role Playing games.

343 may have been inspired by every other modern shooter on the market, but they certainly did not copy anyone.

Inspiration is taking something and making it your own. Copying is taking something already done and claiming it to be original.

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well it depends on the playlist. Halo BTB is most similar to Battlefield gameplay, and Halo Slayer is most similar to Crysis (abilities).

good analysis though, i dont think taking ideas from other games is entirely bad.

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If they didn’t want to hear a bunch of people comparing the game to CoD, then they should not have COPIED. Just get over yourself you can not deny any of those examples I gave how they copied. It is a fact and I even broke it down for you on why it happened so you can easily understand it.

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And I understand that CoD did not invent everything they do. But right now they are they are on top so everything is going to be compared to what they are doing. That’s just the way it is. When you CHANGE almost everything in a Halo game as far as structure goes and make in similar to the #1 video game in the world what do you think is going to happen?

And if you want to use the word inspired over copied then that’s fine. It doesn’t change anything. Halo MP was innovative and did not need to be inspired by anything else that came after it.

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Game Features mostly specific to Call of Duty:
Perks
Killstreaks
Instant Respawn

Game Features shared by a wide variety of FPS games on the market:
Loadouts
Join in Progress
Sprint
Progression System / Ranking
Hitmarkers
Killcams

And honestly, those changes are all fine.

It’s the ordnance, unbalanced weapons and other changes that are ruining the game. Not simple features like killcams and hitmarkers.

Also I’m shocked at the comparison to call of duty. This game is way more similar to crisis than it is to call of duty…

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Halo 4 is COD in space to me. I’m still not sure how I feel about it. Some days I like it, but the fact that everyone and their mom can spawn with a BR or DMR, completely changed the game. I get picked off from a distance in multiple directions more so now than before. I think that was due to the fact that they were limited numbers of weapon types per map. That’s still the case but the most sought after (normal) weapons are now in the loadouts.

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Wow i’m so tired of hearing this game compared to COD, you’re right the previous Halos differ from Halo 4 I cant argue with you about that, but what did you expect? The previous halos were Bungie’s and their vision, Halo 4 is 343i’s and their vision on where the game needs to go and evolve in the future. Do i agree with some of the changes they have made? No, but for the longevity and future of the franchise it had to be done. You are complaining about Halo 4 but there could have not been a Halo 4 at all. 343i is trying to put this franchise back on top by gaining more casual players and thats what ME and You and the rest of the small percent of competitive community have to understand and work with 343i as they take over the game we have played and loved for years. So just chiiiiiiilllllllll

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There’s really no way to argue against OP’s infallible logic.

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> Wow i’m so tired of hearing this game compared to COD, you’re right the previous Halos differ from Halo 4 I cant argue with you about that, but what did you expect? The previous halos were Bungie’s and their vision, Halo 4 is 343i’s and their vision on where the game needs to go and evolve in the future. Do i agree with some of the changes they have made? No, but for the longevity and future of the franchise it had to be done. You are complaining about Halo 4 but there could have not been a Halo 4 at all. 343i is trying to put this franchise back on top by gaining more casual players and thats what ME and You and the rest of the small percent of competitive community have to understand and work with 343i as they take over the game we have played and loved for years. So just chiiiiiiilllllllll

I think the future of the franchise would have been fine without 343 jerking with the core qualities that make Halo unique… As a matter of fact they would have been better off…