how would you like a level in the game (1 levelonly!) where you fight covenant. So it could be introduced by MC and Cortana talking to another chararter on where to go when Cortana syas something and a large covenant cruser comes out of slip space and crashes. The enemy would be oblivious to the end of the war and skattered. How would you like it because you get to use some covenent weapons at least once in the game. Yes? No?
No. The Covenant have no place in Halo 4.
> No. The Covenant have no place in Halo 4.
You could feature them as a secondary enemy.
OT: Doubtful. The Covenant are no longer the main enemy, so I don’t think an entire level dedicated to them has much of a place in Halo 4.
> > No. The Covenant have no place in Halo 4.
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> OT: Doubtful. The Covenant are no longer the main enemy, so I don’t think an entire level dedicated to them has much of a place in Halo 4.
They don’t need to be the secondary enemy either. Honestly, now, what would they add? We’ve fought them for over 10 years, it’s time for something new. And I’m sorry, a Covenant ship coincidentally being near the Legendary Planet and just coincidentally being oblivious to the war’s end, even though the results of the Great Schism were transmitted to every ship in the Covenants fleets, screams as a terrible plot device.
> No. The Covenant have no place in Halo 4.
I think it would be good if they still had a SMALL part to create better diversity in the enemys we fight.
Well, my theory is is that a group of Covenant and UNSC have both been “sucked” into this planet (just like the Chief) and neither side know that the war is over.
> > No. The Covenant have no place in Halo 4.
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> I think it would be good if they still had a SMALL part to create better diversity in the enemys we fight.
So the new enemies can’t have a lot of diversity?
> Well, my theory is is that a group of Covenant and UNSC have both been “sucked” into this planet (just like the Chief) and neither side know that the war is over.
That would really make me have to suspend my belief just to accept that. Why were they out in the middle of nowhere? Why have the humans of the UNSC not made any contact with whatever runs the LP’s systems? And really, depending on how long they’ve been there, to assume a sizable number of either would remain is far-fetched.
> > Well, my theory is is that a group of Covenant and UNSC have both been “sucked” into this planet (just like the Chief) and neither side know that the war is over.
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> That would really make me have to suspend my belief just to accept that. Why were they out in the middle of nowhere? Why have the humans of the UNSC not made any contact with whatever runs the LP’s systems? And really, depending on how long they’ve been there, to assume a sizable number of either would remain is far-fetched.
Yeah I know it’s not very “realistic”. I just find it hard to imagine that Chief will crash land on the planet and suddenly start fighting off the new enemy.
> > > Well, my theory is is that a group of Covenant and UNSC have both been “sucked” into this planet (just like the Chief) and neither side know that the war is over.
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> > That would really make me have to suspend my belief just to accept that. Why were they out in the middle of nowhere? Why have the humans of the UNSC not made any contact with whatever runs the LP’s systems? And really, depending on how long they’ve been there, to assume a sizable number of either would remain is far-fetched.
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> Yeah I know it’s not very “realistic”. I just find it hard to imagine that Chief will crash land on the planet and suddenly start fighting off the new enemy.
And him fighting some Covenant “coincidentally” on a Shield World in the middle of nowhere is more plausible than fighting a new threat on a unknown world?
> > > > Well, my theory is is that a group of Covenant and UNSC have both been “sucked” into this planet (just like the Chief) and neither side know that the war is over.
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> > > That would really make me have to suspend my belief just to accept that. Why were they out in the middle of nowhere? Why have the humans of the UNSC not made any contact with whatever runs the LP’s systems? And really, depending on how long they’ve been there, to assume a sizable number of either would remain is far-fetched.
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> > Yeah I know it’s not very “realistic”. I just find it hard to imagine that Chief will crash land on the planet and suddenly start fighting off the new enemy.
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> And him fighting some Covenant “coincidentally” on a Shield World in the middle of nowhere is more plausible than fighting a new threat on a unknown world?
They could easily be inserted by an ingenious plot device-
Arby left some elite eggs, grunts, jackals in cryo with Master Chief. Bam, Covies in Halo 4.
Even you can’t argue that. Its pure genius.
While I’d love for the Covies to play their necessary part in Halo 4, I wouldn’t want an entire level devoted to them. Then again, why not? Diversity is good. I’d like to wait and see what 343i has up their sleeves. 
> While I’d love for the Covies to play their necessary part in Halo 4, I wouldn’t want an entire level devoted to them. Then again, why not? Diversity is good. I’d like to wait and see what 343i has up their sleeves.
Who says they need a necessary role? And is it really adding “variety” by putting in Covies if it’s the same thing since 2001?
> > While I’d love for the Covies to play their necessary part in Halo 4, I wouldn’t want an entire level devoted to them. Then again, why not? Diversity is good. I’d like to wait and see what 343i has up their sleeves.
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> Who says they need a necessary role? And is it really adding “variety” by putting in Covies if it’s the same thing since 2001?
Considering that the various former Covenant species and humans are the only known sentient lifeforms in the galaxy at this point (including Engineers, and not including Flood, Forerunners, and Precursors, whose status is currently unknown) I think it’s absolutely necessary to have some interaction with them. As a whole, the Covenant has been humanity’s enemy for decades. It’s ridiculous to even contemplate that all the Elites, Brutes, Grunts, Jackals, Drones, Hunters, and even the significantly reduced Prophets will have all mysteriously disappeared. It’s absurd to assume we know anything about Halo 4’s campaign at all. John could spend the whole game in the planet, he could spend a few levels there, we don’t know. As of right now in the canon, the former Covenant species still pose a formidably threat to humanity’s existence, and if the UNSC shows up in Halo 4, I’d be willing to bet there are some Elite allies or Engineers among them. The Covies didn’t just go poof, and they can’t be ignored.
> Considering that the various former Covenant species and humans are the only known sentient lifeforms in the galaxy at this point (including Engineers, and not including Flood, Forerunners, and Precursors, whose status is currently unknown) I think it’s absolutely necessary to have some interaction with them.
Or, as we know about the Precursors who created new species at any time they wanted, we could have a plethora of new adversaries and the various Forerunner sentinels. And the Flood to top it off. The Timeless One’s warning pretty much coincides with Halo 4, over 100,000 years after Primordium their answer was coming.
> As a whole, the Covenant has been humanity’s enemy for decades. It’s ridiculous to even contemplate that all the Elites, Brutes, Grunts, Jackals, Drones, Hunters, and even the significantly reduced Prophets will have all mysteriously disappeared.
Except we know where they are. The Elites and Brutes are in conflict with unrest brewing in both races, the Grunts more or less just stayed along with the Elites or went home, the Jackals are pirates and traders and the Drones probably stuck with the Brutes as engineers. The Prophets all did mysteriously vanish by the way, so says The Return.
> It’s absurd to assume we know anything about Halo 4’s campaign at all. John could spend the whole game in the planet, he could spend a few levels there, we don’t know. As of right now in the canon, the former Covenant species still pose a formidably threat to humanity’s existence, and if the UNSC shows up in Halo 4, I’d be willing to bet there are some Elite allies or Engineers among them.
Elites as allies? Ha. The Arbiter could give a rats -Yoink- about us, he essentially says so in Glasslands. The biggest threat to the UNSC is the rebellion once more, they have actually attacked the UNSC.
> The Covies didn’t just go poof, and they can’t be ignored.
But there is no Covenant anymore. You can argue Loyalists, but a few scattered packs of Brutes and Drones is hardly the Covenant.
> > Considering that the various former Covenant species and humans are the only known sentient lifeforms in the galaxy at this point (including Engineers, and not including Flood, Forerunners, and Precursors, whose status is currently unknown) I think it’s absolutely necessary to have some interaction with them.
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> Or, as we know about the Precursors who created new species at any time they wanted, we could have a plethora of new adversaries and the various Forerunner sentinels. And the Flood to top it off. The Timeless One’s warning pretty much coincides with Halo 4, over 100,000 years after Primordium their answer was coming.
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> > As a whole, the Covenant has been humanity’s enemy for decades. It’s ridiculous to even contemplate that all the Elites, Brutes, Grunts, Jackals, Drones, Hunters, and even the significantly reduced Prophets will have all mysteriously disappeared.
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> Except we know where they are. The Elites and Brutes are in conflict with unrest brewing in both races, the Grunts more or less just stayed along with the Elites or went home, the Jackals are pirates and traders and the Drones probably stuck with the Brutes as engineers. The Prophets all did mysteriously vanish by the way, so says The Return.
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> > It’s absurd to assume we know anything about Halo 4’s campaign at all. John could spend the whole game in the planet, he could spend a few levels there, we don’t know. As of right now in the canon, the former Covenant species still pose a formidably threat to humanity’s existence, and if the UNSC shows up in Halo 4, I’d be willing to bet there are some Elite allies or Engineers among them.
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> Elites as allies? Ha. The Arbiter could give a rats -Yoink!- about us, he essentially says so in Glasslands. The biggest threat to the UNSC is the rebellion once more, they have actually attacked the UNSC.
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> > The Covies didn’t just go poof, and they can’t be ignored.
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> But there is no Covenant anymore. You can argue Loyalists, but a few scattered packs of Brutes and Drones is hardly the Covenant.
This is all just one big assumption. We won’t know until Halo 4.
> This is all just one big assumption. We won’t know until Halo 4.
Except it’s all backed by the books and other sources.
> > This is all just one big assumption. We won’t know until Halo 4.
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> Except it’s all backed by the books and other sources.
Not all of it.
> > > This is all just one big assumption. We won’t know until Halo 4.
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> > Except it’s all backed by the books and other sources.
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> Not all of it.
Most of it. What exactly isn’t?
I want covenant allies in Halo 4. The full monty of grunts, elites, jackals, and hunters fighting at the chiefs side.
The Covenant as in a religious group of Loyalists? Well following Glasslands it is possible. Though they wouldn’t be called the Covenant anymore.
I just hope the universe in previous Halo games isn’t ignored. There’s no reason for us not to SEE some former Covenant species’. I just don’t think they necessarily need to be enemies, or following the Covenant religion.