First off I hope the hog meta is treating everyone well. Its quite poetic how strong hog openers were in HW1 and now again in HW2. Because of how effective these types of openers have been, many people have raised the questions 1) How do we move away from hog quick techs without making them useless 2) Are Anti Vehicle (AV) units underperforming for their role. This post will hopefully cover the later question. Lets begin.
Equal Pop Hunters vs Warthogs
We started of by testing equal pop hunters vs equal pop warthogs. The hunters performed decently well, eliminating all 10 hogs with only one casualty and a few red bar units. Testing started off positive as it could be say that Hunters pound per pound beat their counter. Also note that the warthog ram barely tickles the hunters while doing damage to the hogs which are temporarily stunned and can get caught in awkward positions in the middle of an army. I recommend that you do not try to take on hunters with a ram ability, but I’m not your mother, so live your life.
60 pop Hogs to 30 Pop Hunters
This test disappointed me. The warthogs were able to beat the hunters when they outnumbered them 2 to 1. For comparison, wolverines in an a warthog army can beat air that outnumbers it 2 to 1. The hunters don’t have this trade value and if I had to interpolate results, I would but the unit trade rate at 1.5 to 1 in favor of hunters. I think this should be higher. Hunters are the slowest unit in the game and therefore require significant micro in order to be in position to deal with vehicles. They are also more expensive than wolverines and unlike wolverines and reavers, they cannot shoot in 360 degrees (meaning they can fire while moving in all directions to and away from a fight). If I am a hog army, I can very realistically avoid the hunter army and move between bases as the hunters try to crawl back. On top of that, you will need more hunters in your army meaning there is less room for units that can do base dps or support. my recommendation is that 1 of 2 things need to change, the hunter to vehicle exchange rate needs to be more in favor of hunters so that more population can be used for other roles, or hunters as a unit should do more building dps so that the need for more building killers isn’t needed.
60 Pop Hogs to 30 pop Assault Beam Hunters
The only thing different between this and the last test is the inclusion of assault beam. The hunters killed 2 more hogs which isn’t very impressive considering how much of an advantage wingman gives hornets. I think this t3 upgrade either needs higher dps against t2 vehicles or SIGNIFICANTLY higher building DPS.
Equal Pop Hogs to Marauders
I am lazy, I didn’t want to have to test hunters again against marauders so I tested if there was a major different between the 2 t2 vehicles. From the results of this test, it looks like without any upgrades, the engagement should be won depending on micro. Please direct all out your hate to my Instagram: BreezyStarfish.
Equal Pop Cyclops to Warthogs
Sit down. Let me tell you a story. I went to a military school for undergrad, and one of my most horrible experiences I had there was when I had to clean out a refrigerator that had been unknowingly unplugged for a week. This wasn’t just your normal everyday spoiled food however. Two weeks before that, one of the members of my squadron had gone hunting and caught a deer. Intending to use this deer for food, he stored it in this freezer. Two weeks later, as I opened the door to this freezer a waterfall of rotting blood came pouring out as the horrific stench of decaying meat immediately filled my lungs. I had to pull each piece of rotting meat from the freezer and place it into a garbage bag, and then dump the full buckets of blood down the shower rains in the bathroom across the hall. It was so putrid that sometimes I still shiver thinking about having to pull pieces of meat from that freezer.
I wanted to share this with you because this video of the cyclops and warthog interactions is the most disgusting thing that I have ever witnessed in my entire life. Cyclopes cannot beat warthogs of equal population. Let that sink in. But its even worse. Warthogs can shoot in 360 degrees, meaning they can run circles around a unit and never have to stop firing. Cyclops appear to only shoot in 120 degrees, meaning that any micro within an engagement will surely mean that your cyclopes will stop firing while the hogs continue to cut your army to pieces. Finally, the ram on the cyclopes can bring a cyclops to almost red bar heath while only causing minimal damage to the hog. There is literally no winning this if you are he cyclops. Recommendation, Cyclops need an armor buff and a dps buff. They woefully underperform at the only the task they are designed to do. Please apply my previous logic about hunters combat efficiency to cyclops as well.
Shock Round Cyclopes to Warthogs
Warthog Cyclops to Warthogs
Warthogs that are supplemented with cyclops will outperform a normal hog army but you are doing so at significantly slowing down your army with infantry units, decreasing the build time of getting a full army out, and increasing the overall cost. Even with all of those things, what is not shown in the video is that my level 1 ark defense killed all of the surviving troops with ease.
Logically Composed Infantry Army vs Hogs
A logically composed infantry army with nightingales and what should be an adequate amount of counter units is cut to shreds.
Conclusions: Hunters should have a healthy increase to their combat efficiency so that they can more faithfully perform their roles as AV units. I would also like to see them fill the role of a late game heavy infantry unit capable of attacking buildings but I’m not as hung up on that. Cyclopes need massive buffs to armor and DPS. I’m not talking meme worthy buffs, it just need to be able to actually act like an AV unit.
Quick Tech Suggestions: If we cut the power available for pickup on the map by half, would this help with how easy it is to tech up and give more life to the T1 aspect of 1s again.
Well micro-ed Heavy vehicles beat gauss hogs which is a step in the right direction.