I’m… indifferent to say the least when asked about whether or not bots should be placed inside multiplayer matches.
so here’s a pros vs cons list i thought of. And of course a lot of it is theoretical since we have no idea what the bots will be like yet… incase someone out there does? let me know.
Pros:
no boring 1 vs 4 matches when 3/4 people on enemy team leave the match - if they’re similar to the marines in campaign, maybe we can swap weapons with them? - their equipped weapon will have infinite ammo im assuming? - they probably wont be super bad? - they can be instructed where to go via the ping system? - hit registration should be 100% on them. No blood shots. - hopefully they can T-bag. - great for warmups - great for testing out forge maps Cons:
They’re either too good or too bad. No one wants to go against a jackal sniper in multiplayer and no one wants the equivalent of an an easter egg grunt on their team either. - enemy team will only challenge the bots when they know their opponents are just better. - potential infininte ammo? (pro and con) imagine giving the bot infinite spartan laser or rockets. you know he aint missin lol. - can they or can they not drive vehicles? if so, could they be trusted to assist in capturing a flag in ctf by driving or will they get stuck on a rock?
tha’ts all i can think of as of now, but the pros outweigh the cons in my eyes so far.
are there more that should be added?
Did i waste my time by making this post because OBVIOUSLY they wont be like the campaign marines? or Kat…
We don’t know how the bots will work. You brought up a good point I hadn’t considered with infinite ammo, but I think they will be treated just as a player. At this stage though I don’t think there are any good answers
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> We don’t know how the bots will work. You brought up a good point I hadn’t considered with infinite ammo, but I think they will be treated just as a player. At this stage though I don’t think there are any good answers
yeah, you can only assume they’d have infinite ammo. I can see them senselessly spraying. You’d think they’d run out of ammo…
i hope i get the insider invite to see what they were like BEFORE they inevitably get adjusted.
You need to separate your thinking of the AI in the Campaign from the multiplayer bots. We also shouldn’t restrict our idea of what the bots are or could be just with what already exists with the Campaign AI. The multiplayer bots aren’t going to be your run of the mill dummy meatbag AIs you get in the campaign to shoot up. Their goal with the bots is to emulate the multiplayer experience/ human players. I highly doubt they are going to have unlimited ammo unless the game mode has unlimited ammo enabled. Most likely, they’ll have the exact same loadout and combat capabilites that any other player in the match would have. I also doubt that you would be able to trade weapons with them, unless that becomes a normal feature player to player in multiplayer.
I’m split with having bots in matchmaking (outside of this 4 humans vs 4 bots test). I am leaning towards no. They would be great to instantly fill in for a player that leaves. They could be great for padding out lobbies that take years to get games in or are dead. There of course would be questions to the fairness of having a bot fill in, especially in competitive games. If they work for forge maps that would be great to test your maps. They would be great for having just a casual (or enjoyable) game without having to deal with the normal matchmaking garbage (idling players, teamkillers, etc). I am hopeful for this feature and I think that the bots will be pretty good. In the worst case they’re basic and don’t work on forged maps or only work in select modes. While that would suck, for now this is the very first iteration of this feature.
I don’t know if and how well they could use vehicles. And no, just having bots is not going to equal better shot registration against them, unless you use the LAN server but in that case you would have better shot registration against all players in the lobby on your LAN anyways. Actually, they would technically have a shot registration advantage against you since they’re all on host players. Bloodshots are the result of a combination of latency between communication of the host and client and bad predictions on the part of the client inbetween updates. We’ll have to see how the bots are and how good the netcode/ lag compensation is.
I doubt very much that the boys would be given infinite ammo in multiplayer. That would just break the game completely unless the bots are made to never pick up a power weapon or something like that. They did say that the bots will scavenge the map the same way players will do I think for all intents and purposes their move set and abilities will be identical to a normal player. They’ll just be made more or less aware depending on the bit difficulty setting.
Im completely fine about it but worried about what level of bot would replace a player who left the game
Might be inaccurate because it would measure by time played or rank and not actual skill.
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> This, if anything is what I’m concerned about.
That really any different than how things are now though? Going after that one or two guys on the team when they realize they’re AFK’ing the whole match or can’t hit the broad side of a starship instead of the guys who are actually doing good?
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> Bots in multiplayer = big no from me dawg.
Well you might spend most of your time in Competitive then, since they said the bots will only replace quitting/booted players in Social.
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> Im completely fine about it but worried about what level of bot would replace a player who left the game
> Might be inaccurate because it would measure by time played or rank and not actual skill.
Same; I kind of figure it’ll be based on the rough skill average of the team they were on or of the player leaving, or some preset based on the playlist. Maybe the bot would end up even being better than who left.
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> That really any different than how things are now though? Going after that one or two guys on the team when they realize they’re AFK’ing the whole match or can’t hit the broad side of a starship instead of the guys who are actually doing good?
I don’t normally have this issue as I usually run with a squad or can carry a bad team mate. But, all the same we should expect better regardless of how things are due to the lower population we have on MCC
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> Im completely fine about it but worried about what level of bot would replace a player who left the game
> Might be inaccurate because it would measure by time played or rank and not actual skill.
I see the bot as a way of making the game end quicker, they can keep killing the bot and get to score 50.
Realistically no players should lose when it’s 4vs2, bots won’t change the outcome but just speed up the game. The same team that should win, still wins, but it doesn’t take 5 minutes and you don’t have to go -25 to get it over with faster.
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> This, if anything is what I’m concerned about.
No one here is in mlg and even if they were bots arent going to be so.it’s not a big deal .
If bots are in social lists to make up numbers who cares.? it sure beats afk and team quitting .
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> No one here is in mlg and even if they were bots arent going to be so.it’s not a big deal .
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> If bots are in social lists to make up numbers who cares.? it sure beats afk and team quitting .
I USED to compete in tournaments…but that’s irrelevant, since bots will be in social matches only. But if you’re like me you’d still prefer to NOT lose.
Especially if there’s weekly/seasonal challenges tied to it.
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> > > This, if anything is what I’m concerned about.
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> > No one here is in mlg and even if they were bots arent going to be so.it’s not a big deal .
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> > If bots are in social lists to make up numbers who cares.? it sure beats afk and team quitting .
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> I USED to compete in tournaments…but that’s irrelevant, since bots will be in social matches only. But if you’re like me you’d still prefer to NOT lose.
> Especially if there’s weekly/seasonal challenges tied to it.
Oh my your that guy . Sounds like a you issue there mate… at least if the bots play poorly you can send them a msg telling them they played like absolute bots and they won’t be offended
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> > > No one here is in mlg and even if they were bots arent going to be so.it’s not a big deal .
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> > > If bots are in social lists to make up numbers who cares.? it sure beats afk and team quitting .
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> > I USED to compete in tournaments…but that’s irrelevant, since bots will be in social matches only. But if you’re like me you’d still prefer to NOT lose.
> > Especially if there’s weekly/seasonal challenges tied to it.
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> Oh my your that guy .
You’re*
And yes I guess I’m THAT guy.
I hate losing more than you like winning.
But hey! Grats for you Yoinking! on me for enjoying something that you don’t agree with. You’re a great person. Keep it up!
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> > > > No one here is in mlg and even if they were bots arent going to be so.it’s not a big deal .
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> > > > If bots are in social lists to make up numbers who cares.? it sure beats afk and team quitting .
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> > > I USED to compete in tournaments…but that’s irrelevant, since bots will be in social matches only. But if you’re like me you’d still prefer to NOT lose.
> > > Especially if there’s weekly/seasonal challenges tied to it.
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> > Oh my your that guy .
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> You’re*
> And yes I guess I’m THAT guy.
> I hate losing more than you like winning.
> But hey! Grats for you Yoinking! on me for enjoying something that you don’t agree with. You’re a great person. Keep it up!
Or how about you just stop complaining about the bots and stay in the competitive modes if you want pure PVP! It’s really as simple as that.
Many of us have been waiting for 20 years to be able to play the multiplayer modes with AI Bots!
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> No one here is in mlg and even if they were bots arent going to be so.it’s not a big deal .
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> If bots are in social lists to make up numbers who cares.? it sure beats afk and team quitting .
I want the bots to be good, how terrible! You’ve got the wrong idea.
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> > > > No one here is in mlg and even if they were bots arent going to be so.it’s not a big deal .
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> > > > If bots are in social lists to make up numbers who cares.? it sure beats afk and team quitting .
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> > > I USED to compete in tournaments…but that’s irrelevant, since bots will be in social matches only. But if you’re like me you’d still prefer to NOT lose.
> > > Especially if there’s weekly/seasonal challenges tied to it.
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> > Oh my your that guy .
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> You’re*
> And yes I guess I’m THAT guy.
> I hate losing more than you like winning.
> But hey! Grats for you Yoinking! on me for enjoying something that you don’t agree with. You’re a great person. Keep it up!
And gotta agree with OP. All you’re doing is being unnecessarily hostile.
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> Or how about you just stop complaining about the bots and stay in the competitive modes if you want pure PVP! It’s really as simple as that.
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> Many of us have been waiting for 20 years to be able to play the multiplayer modes with AI Bots!
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> So if you don’t like it than Too Yoinking Bad!
Niether of us are saying we dislike bots, learn to read man. We’re excited about bots - but valid concerns are necessary for quality. Quality in infinite is something I value.