I’m sick of seeing negative opinions being dismissed as whining. There is a reason why people don’t like that the ranks are not visible in game. I for one could care less, but that doesn’t mean I’m going to go hunt for thanks by going into every topic that states that they don’t like ranks not visible in game and post something like “You just can’t be happy” or “Quit whining” etc etc. Acknowledge that some players don’t legitimately do not like it.
For the sake of argument some of the posts are whining. Some of them are just the posters contempt for 343 and they go on explaining about why they don’t like them. Don’t get me wrong they are voicing their opinion and I don’t dismiss those who do but some of them don’t contribute or provide constructive criticism.
I think for 90% of us who have an issue with the complaining, it’s based purely on the fact that they are flooding the forum with the same thread over and over. As if one of them sees 10 other threads on the same subject, but feels the need to start his own thread complaining about the same thing. If it was all put into ONE thread, not burying all of the other topics witht the same stuff, most people wouldn’t care. But as I said, there’s at least 5 threads on the front page at a time complaining about the same thing, with constant new ones being created, some from the same person who already has a thread on the same subject on the front page already.
I don’t care if someone agrees with me, complain away, just don’t act obnoxious by creating 50 threads on the same stuff. Everyone wants the attention centered around their thread.
Negative opinions aren’t getting dismissed as whining. For the past couple of days negative opinions have been basically the loudest voice on the forums, even when in some cases they probably should have been dismissed. I think people are saying stuff like “stop whining” because they’re sick of seeing the same complaint spawning 20+ more threads, each one more melodramatic than the last. No-one would mind if unhappy people said things like “There isn’t a visible ranking system, I think that sucks”, it just gets annoying when people go on about how 343 BETRAYED THE COMPETETIVES and how 343 JUST DOESN’T LISTEN to the fans etc etc etc.
…No. They need to show respect and need to stop spamming hate to 343. Its always the same thing! Its always complaining about ranking and skill! We don’t care! Buy the game and give people a chance to see if it will work or not! They act like they have a time machine or something!
> I think for 90% of us who have an issue with the complaining, it’s based purely on the fact that they are flooding the forum with the same thread over and over. As if one of them sees 10 other threads on the same subject, but feels the need to start his own thread complaining about the same thing. If it was all put into ONE thread, not burying all of the other topics witht the same stuff, most people wouldn’t care. But as I said, there’s at least 5 threads on the front page at a time complaining about the same thing, with constant new ones being created, some from the same person who already has a thread on the same subject on the front page already.
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> I don’t care if someone agrees with me, complain away, just don’t act obnoxious by creating 50 threads on the same stuff. Everyone wants the attention centered around their thread.
Keep in mind that these forums are also used for a lot of the feedback for 343. Though I don’t see Complaining as necessary as is it is prominent here, it is a (somewhat) effective way to get the developers attention on a subject matter.
You you have a gripe and many people agree but only a couple forum posts are made, they will probably discard it and take as a majority likes it, when that may not be the case.
The way people go about it on these forums are all wrong though. They openly attack decisions made by the development team and things they implemented or left out when it should simply be some constructive criticisms and your reasons for why something should be in the game.
The OP is right, these people bashing every opinion and reasoning for why something should or should not be in the game should not be as harshly attacked as it is. Forums should not be full of mindless drones who like every aspect of a game no matter what.
With that said, I think both the complainers, and the complainers about the complainers should lay off. Saying “____ sucks” and not giving a reason and how to fix it is useless. Likewise, saying “Quit complaining” on a thread that is offering constructive criticism is useless as well.
Opinions should be respected and the community needs to learn that.
> …No. They need to show respect and need to stop spamming hate to 343. Its always the same thing! Its always complaining about ranking and skill! We don’t care! Buy the game and give people a chance to see if it will work or not! They act like they have a time machine or something!
You do realize that people have legitimate copies of the game already, right?
> …No. They need to show respect and need to stop spamming hate to 343. Its always the same thing! Its always complaining about ranking and skill! We don’t care! Buy the game and give people a chance to see if it will work or not! They act like they have a time machine or something!
You are very naive. Though there are many complains, there are also constructive criticisms. People aren’t here to hate on 343, people are complaining so much because they want the game to be better and have more long term enjoyment (at least with this ranking system ordeal) and many “complaint” threads bring up a LOT of good points on reason why something should be implemented. Don’t look at them all as hate threads, look at them as constructive criticism made to try and help the game.
YUBANME343, your name intrigues me.
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> YUBANME343, your name intrigues me.
My… other account was suspended for openly stating my opinion with somewhat harsh criticism (but no where near what other people have said).
I could go on how I never broke any rules, but I digress. I just want to talk on the forums page without waiting 3 days to post.
> > …No. They need to show respect and need to stop spamming hate to 343. Its always the same thing! Its always complaining about ranking and skill! We don’t care! Buy the game and give people a chance to see if it will work or not! They act like they have a time machine or something!
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> You are very naive. Though there are many complains, there are also constructive criticisms. People aren’t here to hate on 343, people are complaining so much because they want the game to be better and have more long term enjoyment (at least with this ranking system ordeal) and many “complaint” threads bring up a LOT of good points on reason why something should be implemented. Don’t look at them all as hate threads, look at them as constructive criticism made to try and help the game.
You are just as naive, to believe that their complaints makes the game better. Who defines better? Certainly not the minority. Welcome to politics 
> You do realize that people have legitimate copies of the game already, right?
You do know that the game hasn’t officially launched, right? They only have multiplayer for online for the staff and for the people who got it early. Everything else will launch on release so everyone starts out fair.
> You are very naive. Though there are many complains, there are also constructive criticisms. People aren’t here to hate on 343, people are complaining so much because they want the game to be better and have more long term enjoyment (at least with this ranking system ordeal) and many “complaint” threads bring up a LOT of good points on reason why something should be implemented. Don’t look at them all as hate threads, look at them as constructive criticism made to try and help the game
If 343 made decisions based off even 10% of those threads, they would go bankrupt.
> > > …No. They need to show respect and need to stop spamming hate to 343. Its always the same thing! Its always complaining about ranking and skill! We don’t care! Buy the game and give people a chance to see if it will work or not! They act like they have a time machine or something!
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> > You are very naive. Though there are many complains, there are also constructive criticisms. People aren’t here to hate on 343, people are complaining so much because they want the game to be better and have more long term enjoyment (at least with this ranking system ordeal) and many “complaint” threads bring up a LOT of good points on reason why something should be implemented. Don’t look at them all as hate threads, look at them as constructive criticism made to try and help the game.
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> You are just as naive, to believe that their complaints makes the game better. Who defines better? Certainly not the minority. Welcome to politics
I am not only referring to the ranking system. Please tell me how lack of customization for Flood mode (or almost a lot of gametypes) improves the game what-so-ever? It doesn’t. People have legitimate criticisms about the game that should be acknowledged to make a better experience for everyone. Please tell me how removing more custom options makes the game better?
> If 343 made decisions based off even 10% of those threads, they would go bankrupt.
This is certainly NOT true. Though many are ridiculous, the community does have a lot of good, if not great feedback. Such as reasons for having more custom game options, reasons to allow flood mode to have flood carry weapons in the options menu or drive vehicles, a completely classic playlist integrated into the matchmaking system without sprint or other things that is not “classic”. Having a custom game matchmaking system where someone can set up a game and allow people to join custom games through matchmaking. I could keep going, but I think you get my point that a lot of threads do have great ideas that do nothing but improve the game itself. Whether you like the ideas or not, there is not much arguing that those features improve the game.
> > > > …No. They need to show respect and need to stop spamming hate to 343. Its always the same thing! Its always complaining about ranking and skill! We don’t care! Buy the game and give people a chance to see if it will work or not! They act like they have a time machine or something!
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> > > You are very naive. Though there are many complains, there are also constructive criticisms. People aren’t here to hate on 343, people are complaining so much because they want the game to be better and have more long term enjoyment (at least with this ranking system ordeal) and many “complaint” threads bring up a LOT of good points on reason why something should be implemented. Don’t look at them all as hate threads, look at them as constructive criticism made to try and help the game.
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> > You are just as naive, to believe that their complaints makes the game better. Who defines better? Certainly not the minority. Welcome to politics
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> I am not only referring to the ranking system. Please tell me how lack of customization for Flood mode (or almost a lot of gametypes) improves the game what-so-ever? It doesn’t. People have legitimate criticisms about the game that should be acknowledged to make a better experience for everyone. Please tell me how removing more custom options makes the game better?
How does taking away customizable colors take away from the game?
I am mildly dissatisfied with the lack custom options, though I haven’t seen thirty-thousand threads complaining about it . I’ve seen one large collective thread where everyone can discuss it.
Maybe the fact that there are so many threads about a ranking system tells you something. A lot of people want it. Also a lot of people could care less about it. So why not just include it? It’s not hurting anyone (except maybe the 10 people who are against it).
It’s the loudest voice for a reason.
/minirant
Back on topic, I don’t think a lot of people are saying they’re whining about it. Most threads I read seems to have mostly everyone agree.
> > > > > …No. They need to show respect and need to stop spamming hate to 343. Its always the same thing! Its always complaining about ranking and skill! We don’t care! Buy the game and give people a chance to see if it will work or not! They act like they have a time machine or something!
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> > > > You are very naive. Though there are many complains, there are also constructive criticisms. People aren’t here to hate on 343, people are complaining so much because they want the game to be better and have more long term enjoyment (at least with this ranking system ordeal) and many “complaint” threads bring up a LOT of good points on reason why something should be implemented. Don’t look at them all as hate threads, look at them as constructive criticism made to try and help the game.
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> > > You are just as naive, to believe that their complaints makes the game better. Who defines better? Certainly not the minority. Welcome to politics
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> > I am not only referring to the ranking system. Please tell me how lack of customization for Flood mode (or almost a lot of gametypes) improves the game what-so-ever? It doesn’t. People have legitimate criticisms about the game that should be acknowledged to make a better experience for everyone. Please tell me how removing more custom options makes the game better?
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> <mark>How does taking away customizable colors take away from the game?</mark>
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> I am mildly dissatisfied with the lack custom options, though I haven’t seen thirty-thousand threads complaining about it . I’ve seen one large collective thread where everyone can discuss it.
Because the Flood character model is considered a color and since you can’t change it to a different color (i.e. spartan) you can’t have zombies carry other guns (for games like fat kid).
> > If 343 made decisions based off even 10% of those threads, they would go bankrupt.
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> This is certainly NOT true. Though many are ridiculous, the community does have a lot of good, if not great feedback. Such as reasons for having more custom game options, reasons to allow flood mode to have flood carry weapons in the options menu or drive vehicles, a completely classic playlist integrated into the matchmaking system without sprint or other things that is not “classic”. Having a custom game matchmaking system where someone can set up a game and allow people to join custom games through matchmaking. I could keep going, but I think you get my point that a lot of threads do have great ideas that do nothing but improve the game itself. Whether you like the ideas or not, there is not much arguing that those features improve the game.
Trying to find “great feedback” is like a needle in the ocean. By “those threads” I mean the ones we have seen repeated more then 200 times. “Listen to the competitive! Screw the whiny casuals!” is what is see most of the time. The MLG community needs to realize they are the minority in this and that their position doesn’t hardly any rights in this situation.
> > > > > …No. They need to show respect and need to stop spamming hate to 343. Its always the same thing! Its always complaining about ranking and skill! We don’t care! Buy the game and give people a chance to see if it will work or not! They act like they have a time machine or something!
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> > > > You are very naive. Though there are many complains, there are also constructive criticisms. People aren’t here to hate on 343, people are complaining so much because they want the game to be better and have more long term enjoyment (at least with this ranking system ordeal) and many “complaint” threads bring up a LOT of good points on reason why something should be implemented. Don’t look at them all as hate threads, look at them as constructive criticism made to try and help the game.
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> > > You are just as naive, to believe that their complaints makes the game better. Who defines better? Certainly not the minority. Welcome to politics
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> > I am not only referring to the ranking system. Please tell me how lack of customization for Flood mode (or almost a lot of gametypes) improves the game what-so-ever? It doesn’t. People have legitimate criticisms about the game that should be acknowledged to make a better experience for everyone. Please tell me how removing more custom options makes the game better?
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> How does taking away customizable colors take away from the game?
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> I am mildly dissatisfied with the lack custom options, though I haven’t seen thirty-thousand threads complaining about it . I’ve seen one large collective thread where everyone can discuss it.
I have seen a few. Not to the amount of the ranking system, but I have seen a few. Same concerning removing gametypes, removing Falcon/Hornet, etc but those can be a whole topic in itself (which I have made a few of) so I won’t waste your time.
Point is, there are a lot of good things people say that should be added to the game (or I should say that should not have been removed in the first place).
> > …No. They need to show respect and need to stop spamming hate to 343. Its always the same thing! Its always complaining about ranking and skill! We don’t care! Buy the game and give people a chance to see if it will work or not! They act like they have a time machine or something!
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> You are very naive. Though there are many complains, there are also constructive criticisms. People aren’t here to hate on 343, people are complaining so much because they want the game to be better and have more long term enjoyment (at least with this ranking system ordeal) and <mark>many “complaint” threads bring up a LOT of good points on reason why something should be implemented. Don’t look at them all as hate threads, look at them as constructive criticism made to try and help the game.</mark>
I fully agree with this. In fact, were it not for such threads, I wouldn’t have even the foggiest understanding of Halo game mechanics.
Constructive criticism is good for more than just the devs. It can help other fans learn more about the game, which can increase their involvement and investment in it.
> Maybe the fact that there are so many threads about a ranking system tells you something. A lot of people want it.
An added benefit is that when there are a handful of threads on a particular subject, it can attract people that otherwise wouldn’t feel the need to discuss it. This can lead to new opinions and insights being offered, and it can also help those new to the conversation to learn about the matter being discussed.
That said, when half of the first page is nothing but duplicates of the exact same topic posed in the exact same manner – that’s kind of a problem.