let 343 take its time to create Halo Infinite

Games Halo Infinite
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Every Halo game made by 343 has been selling less than Halo Reach, after the disaster of MCC, and the lack of launch content of Halo 5, it proved that 343 NEEDS time to order to build up a quality game. An unreleased game has infinite potential, but a rushed game will forever be a failure.

The content hungry fanboys who scream “just release it already” are a part of the problem, and dont understand how long game development is, they contribute to the yearly release cycles and help create franchise fatigue like in CoD or Assassin’s Creed. Halo has allways been different, Halo is about Quality over Quantity. 343 is taking things slow and building up a special game engine just for Halo called the “slipspace engine”, and this process alone takes a lot of time.

Furthermore, Halo Infinite will be the “last straw” for many veteran Halo fans, and if the game fails to be a hit, Halos cultural relevance will take an unhealable hit.

Let 343 take all the time it desperately needs, please please please for the love of Halo, DO NOT attack the game developers or ask microsoft to release the game faster. In my opinion, Halo Infinite should release in 2020, but I hope it gets delayed to early 2021 so that 343 has the time to pack it full of content and test it on both the new xbox and PC. Since Halo Infinite will release on the PC, it will effectively triple its audience, and if done right, could finally make Halo have a comeback, now all we need to do is make sure any of the garbage generic shooter mechanics ((like sprint, classes, killstreaks) dont make it into Halo, so that it can finally reclaim its identity, but thats a post for another time :slight_smile:

In the meantime, just enjoy the MCC, Halo 0nline, Halo SPV mod, and other Halo games, Halo Infinite will come when it’s ready…

ADD ME so that we can play: "The Turbanetor"

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I understand that you want the game to be worked on for a longer amount of time so that it’s better at launch, but let me play the devil’s advocate here by saying that pushing back the release date has the very real possibility of decreasing the amount of veteran players who buy it. If 343 waits too long to release the next game, there’s a large amount of players who will have moved on from the Halo franchise as a whole. Also, if they think the game will be ready for 2020, then I trust them and think they should release it in 2020, not wait.

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I’m not really a fan of that argument because while the game should be more polished, taking their time doesn’t guarantee that it’s going to be a good game.

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> I understand that you want the game to be worked on for a longer amount of time so that it’s better at launch, but let me play the devil’s advocate here by saying that pushing back the release date has the very real possibility of decreasing the amount of veteran players who buy it. If 343 waits too long to release the next game, there’s a large amount of players who will have moved on from the Halo franchise as a whole. Also, if they think the game will be ready for 2020, then I trust them and think they should release it in 2020, not wait.

Counter Argument: The MCC is already getting a rework and with all the community project like Halo Online, Halo SPV, Installation 01, the veteran players will be kept busy, I also think in the end, the veteran players will be happy with 343 going back to Halos roots with Halo Infinite, which will give Halo a unique identity that makes it stand out from all the garbage genetic shooters on the market that are basically the same.

The reason why Halo was big was becuase it was simple and different, 343 needs to bring Halo back to its roots or else its over.

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> I’m not really a fan of that argument because while the game should be more polished, taking their time doesn’t guarantee that it’s going to be a good game.

Taking more time has a direct affect on the polish and content of a game, this is just a high probability. Just look at Metal Gear Solid 5, it took a while, but its a legendary game.

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I disagree with the more time better game theory. Late 2019 early 2020 would be nice.

H2 & H3 were both made 3 years respectiviley after the previous game & seemed to turn out not to shabby, would you agree?

I know its hard to compare now with more & more content is being added, & possibly PC, but im just trying to put things in perspective. I by no means have any idea what goes into making a game, but 4-5years seems plenty?

We can send people to the moon in a shorter time then that…

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> I disagree with the more time better game theory. Late 2019 early 2020 would be nice.

The facts dont lie, games that take longer (like Metal Gear Solid 5) do way better than games that are rushed like MCC, or stale games like Halo 5.

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> H2 & H3 were both made 3 years respectiviley after the previous game & seemed to turn out not to shabby, would you agree?

H2 and H3 were not using brand new engines, Halo Infinie is being built up from scratch and with new mechanics.

Furthermore, Halo 2 and 3 were very similar, Halo 4 to 5 were not, and indications that Halo Infinite will go back to Halos roots shows it needs more time,

Let me give you a school analogy: When you fail 3 tests in a row, you really need to study way harder for the 4th test, Halo Infinite is like 343s final test.

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Most games are already in development for at least 4 years before we even see them, plus, those are “normal games”, this is Halos last stand, and it needs even more time or were all screwed.

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> We can send people to the moon in a shorter time then that…

False comparison, this literally has nothing to do with game development

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> Taking more time has a direct affect on the polish and content of a game, this is just a high probability. Just look at Metal Gear Solid 5, it took a while, but its a legendary game.

I agree with the polish and added content, but that’s really about it. To do a real life example, I’ve seen inventors on shows pitch their product that they’ve been working on for sometimes over a decade and it looks great, but overall it ends up being a complete dud. It could be a similar situation with 343. They could think their main idea is great and amazing amongst their employees, but out in the wild people may have a completely different reaction. At this point though, I think at worst it’ll be another middle of the road Halo game that isn’t terrible or great.

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The problem is that Halo 4 and 5 weren’t “middle of the road Halo game that isn’t terrible or great”, they might be middle of the road normal games, but they are fundamentally bad HALO games that belong on their own categories.

Right now, 343 can’t afford to make another failure like H4 and H5, both of them did worse in sales and population than Halo Reach, the only logical alternative is to give 343 the time it needs to release a content packed classic Halo game on the new Xbox and PC platforms that is well tested.

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The moon was a joke…

Unless you yourself develop games, run stats on gaming companies, know all the “facts” , then this is all just pure speculation & subjective statements. I know it takes time to turn out a complete game that is polished. I think 4-5 years is enough. You think 6. Neither of us is wrong, neither is right.

Edit: Also, no idea what Metal Gear Solid is, so not to sure what direction you are going with that. Is it a similar game to Halo?

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Yah, just tell me how Halo 4, MCC, and Halo 5 turned out with their 4-5 years…sold the LESS than even Halo Reach and maintained a lower population!

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Metal Gear Solid is a legendary franchise, whos creator would take a long time and allways do amazing. The franchise all went to trash when the creator was fired and it was milked for money, kind of how Halo 5 was…

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You are comparing apples & oranges here. Like I said, let people think whatever they want to think about the release date. Sure they could be wrong but who cares. Its all a guessing game. Theres nothing wrong with hoping for an earlier release date?

You seem to enjoy throwing jabs at Halo, if you have proof to back those claims up, feel free to post updated sales & population numbers on those games whenever you get the chance. Id love to see them.

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There IS something wrong with hoping for an earlier release date considering that Halo Infinite is Halos last stand, and that the early release dates for Halo MCC and Halo 5 were not good for sales and quality of the game.

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Im not throwing jabs, its constructive criticism becuase I LOVE HALO and I want it to sell more and make money so that 343 can invest back into making a better game for the fans.

Also, I have proof:

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But you do realize that the main draw of the franchise is the main series games, right? They can’t waste too much time releasing the next one. Also, you’re assuming that Infinite is going to go back to Halo’s roots, but no information regarding that has been released at this time.

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It’s not a “waste of time” if they are creating a new engine, and polishing up the game to include content that was released post launch like forge, infection, etc.

People dont understand the dire state that Halo is in right now, if Hali Infinite does not come to PC and isnt a hit, then its over.

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But if 343 says it will be ready in 2020, then there’s no reason for them to wait until 2021. Ready is ready. Also, when Microsoft bought Halo they said they’re keeping the franchise going for at least 30 more years. Last time I checked, it hasn’t been 30 years so Halo isn’t going anywhere. Microsoft isn’t going to let one of it’s main draws fail like that.

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Unless 343 publishes those numbers, its hard to trust someone on reddit (they may be right, may be wrong). Also, I believe someone on here mentioned H5 sold 3million opening weekend.

Again, what is wrong with hoping for an earlier release date? Especially if the game is complete & polished?? There is nothing wrong with this. Nothing at all. There is nothing to argue here. Saying it is wrong for people to hope? That just doesn’t seem right. Let people hope whatever they please.

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343 has been wrong a lot of times, especially with the MCC, and the poor state Halo 5 launched in, their word cant be trusted and they need to relax and take their time. In the meantime, just fix up MCC.

As for Microsoft, I think they are one of the reasons why 343 is going back to the old art style, Microsoft probably told them to go back to what sells copies.

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The reason Microsoft and 343 haven’t talked much about sales numbers are becuase they are bad, which is a common thing publishers do when games dont sell well.

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Again, as I said before, the stakes this time are far higher than in Halo history. 343 CAN’T AFFORD to mess up again. Game devs very rarely release fully polished games these days, now its all about the post launch updates as we saw in Halo 4, MCC, and Halo 5. The games didnt launch in a good state in the first place.

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I’d rather they just work on the new game instead of fixing an old game from 2014. It seems like you just hate the new Halo games and want everything to stay as it always was. Unfortunately that’s not what sells games despite what you may think.