Three games now have had plots about Cortana being crazy. Maybe come up with a new plot, hey?
In Halo:CE Cortana is awesome. Everyone loves her.
In Halo 2, you made us leave her on High Sanctuary with the flood. Not cool.
In Halo 3, Cortana be trippin’ because the flood.
In Halo 4, Cortana be trippin’ because rampancy.
In Halo 5, Cortana be trippin’ because the domain and the mantle.
Leave Cortana alone.
It was not great in Halo 3 having chief trip out randomly.
It was not great in Halo 4 having Cortana trip out randomly.
It was not great in Halo 5 having Cortana power tripping.
Honestly, at first I thought Cortana was still messed up in Halo 4 from the flood.
I was surprised, and I thought it was pretty lame, to find out that no, she’s crazy again, but for a different reason.
Honestly, I was shocked that in Halo 5 you made her crazy again, for a third separate reason.
Leave Cortana alone.
Everybody likes the original, sassy, funny, badass Cortana. I don’t know anybody that likes damsel in distress psycho screamo Cortana.
If you make the player kill Cortana, people will hate that and never forgive you.
Come up with a new plot hook, please don’t recycle the same thing a fourth time.
Let’s save her within the first half of Halo Infinite, bring the “Cortana is crazy” narrative to a long overdue conclusion, and focus on a new narrative.
I mean, she wasn’t flipping out randomly in Halo 4. AIs like her had a termination date after 7 years because of rampancy. She was 8 by the time of Halo 4. It was a natural outcome of who she was. Yet Halo 4 shows despite the struggles she was able to pull herself together enough to save the Chief and help stop the Didact. That’s where her story should have ended.
Saving her and making her Chief’s partner again would be lame, especially because it’d be insulting to just pretend everything that has happened can be brushed aside.
Cortana should never have been brought back to begin with. It was a severe, severe mistake to do so in Halo 5. I could accept the AI Uprising stuff, but Cortana being brought back to serve as their leader? No.
I can’t agree at all with the notion that she should be saved in Infinite and be John’s partner again. That’s the very definition of recycling a used premise there.
Want them to “leave her alone”? Then she needs to pass on and be left alone. As she should have at the end of Halo 4.
I agree with both posts above. As much as I would like Cortana back like she was in the first 3 Halo, her story should have ended in H4. I really hope we are not going to reset her, because that would just feel flat. However, I’m still curious about how it will go.
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> I agree with both posts above. As much as I would like Cortana back like she was in the first 3 Halo, her story should have ended in H4. I really hope we are not going to reset her, because that would just feel flat. However, I’m still curious about how it will go.
Serina proved we can still have playful, snarky AI’s that are also new characters. Roland’s not as snarky as they are but he’s still a good guy. Point is, if they want us to have a fun AI companion they can always - and should - just give us a new character entirely.
The flood corrupting cortana was a big plot point in halo 3 and her rampancy was also natural in halo 4. The only bad part was the slow parts of halo 3 cortana vision. But the plot themselves was very good.
halo 5 made a mistake by having cortana come back and lead them. But killing her and ending the arc isn’t a bad idea in my opinion. And if Chief has to set aside his emotion and end her, and watch her die twice. Could lead to some pretty fun stuff plot wise imo. I’m not saying cortana coming back is okay. But if 343 does a good job in infinite it can set them up for a more successful story in the future
also I’d like to see rampant cortanas fear come true and have a flashback to the scene in halo 4 Where cortana is worried about them replacing her with a new AI maybe even a new cortana model. And after that scene plays, have dr Halsey give Chief a new cortana model. Maybe keep that as the legendary ending in H:I
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> Cortana should never have been brought back to begin with. It was a severe, severe mistake to do so in Halo 5. I could accept the AI Uprising stuff, but Cortana being brought back to serve as their leader? No.
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> I can’t agree at all with the notion that she should be saved in Infinite and be John’s partner again. That’s the very definition of recycling a used premise there.
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> Want them to “leave her alone”? Then she needs to pass on and be left alone. As she should have at the end of Halo 4.
I don’t think you can call it being brought back, because she technically never left. If Cortana herself completely vanished or died, you can’t just bring her back with all her memories. An AI dying and coming back would be like a human dying and coming back with amnesia. They have nothing retained from the previous, they would have a clean slate of memory.
No, I think the Cortana of Halo 5 was said to be one of the split fragments that made it through when the ship was sent through slip space. As Chief said, it could have ended up anywhere and the fragments that hadn’t broken down completely would have ended up wherever it went. The Cortana we’d known used all of herself that she held onto to save Chief.
Actually, I’m starting to wonder how many other fragments might have ended up just like the Halo 5 Cortana. I really hope no more, but if they did, hopefully they’re all different.
I liked her character development in H4, it made sense because AI go rampant and she went out with a bang. Reviving her for H5 is where they went wrong in my opinion. I agree that they need to bring Cortana’s madness arc to a close in Infinite, whether that being killing her or saving her, either way it just needs to end.
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> > Cortana should never have been brought back to begin with. It was a severe, severe mistake to do so in Halo 5. I could accept the AI Uprising stuff, but Cortana being brought back to serve as their leader? No.
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> > I can’t agree at all with the notion that she should be saved in Infinite and be John’s partner again. That’s the very definition of recycling a used premise there.
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> > Want them to “leave her alone”? Then she needs to pass on and be left alone. As she should have at the end of Halo 4.
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> I don’t think you can call it being brought back, because she technically never left. If Cortana herself completely vanished or died, you can’t just bring her back with all her memories. An AI dying and coming back would be like a human dying and coming back with amnesia. They have nothing retained from the previous, they would have a clean slate of memory.
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> No, I think the Cortana of Halo 5 was said to be one of the split fragments that made it through when the ship was sent through slip space. As Chief said, it could have ended up anywhere and the fragments that hadn’t broken down completely would have ended up wherever it went. The Cortana we’d known used all of herself that she held onto to save Chief.
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> Actually, I’m starting to wonder how many other fragments might have ended up just like the Halo 5 Cortana. I really hope no more, but if they did, hopefully they’re all different.
That idea of fragments is actually very interesting, because what would happen if other fragments came to appear in Infinite?
I truly wish they had left Cortana alone after H4. I thought the writers did an incredible job with her story arc in H4. But, 343i decided to wipe out all that great work by reviving her in H5 and writing up some nonsense to justify her appearance for marketing and whatever other purpose MS had in mind. 343i has got a lot of stuff to fix in HI.
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> I mean, she wasn’t flipping out randomly in Halo 4. AIs like her had a termination date after 7 years because of rampancy. She was 8 by the time of Halo 4. It was a natural outcome of who she was. Yet Halo 4 shows despite the struggles she was able to pull herself together enough to save the Chief and help stop the Didact. That’s where her story should have ended.
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> Saving her and making her Chief’s partner again would be lame, especially because it’d be insulting to just pretend everything that has happened can be brushed aside.
Yes u should know everything about her Halsey! Lol
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> Three games now have had plots about Cortana being crazy. Maybe come up with a new plot, hey?
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> In Halo:CE Cortana is awesome. Everyone loves her.
> In Halo 2, you made us leave her on High Sanctuary with the flood. Not cool.
> In Halo 3, Cortana be trippin’ because the flood.
> In Halo 4, Cortana be trippin’ because rampancy.
> In Halo 5, Cortana be trippin’ because the domain and the mantle.
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> Leave Cortana alone.
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> It was not great in Halo 3 having chief trip out randomly.
> It was not great in Halo 4 having Cortana trip out randomly.
> It was not great in Halo 5 having Cortana power tripping.
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> Honestly, at first I thought Cortana was still messed up in Halo 4 from the flood.
> I was surprised, and I thought it was pretty lame, to find out that no, she’s crazy again, but for a different reason.
> Honestly, I was shocked that in Halo 5 you made her crazy again, for a third separate reason.
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> Leave Cortana alone.
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> Everybody likes the original, sassy, funny, badass Cortana. I don’t know anybody that likes damsel in distress psycho screamo Cortana.
> If you make the player kill Cortana, people will hate that and never forgive you.
> Come up with a new plot hook, please don’t recycle the same thing a fourth time.
> Let’s save her within the first half of Halo Infinite, bring the “Cortana is crazy” narrative to a long overdue conclusion, and focus on a new narrative.
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> Please, leave Cortana alone.
Its code is corrupt and it got infected by gravemind… It is just events in the story… Halo was dying after H5
Cortana had already a beginning of rampancy because of the mental torture the gravemind inflicted to her. I’m sure I read somewhere that A.I. Can go rampant ether from their 7 years lifespan or from mental damage (for Smart A.I).
So Cortana being mentally damaged by the Gravemind and staying alone for 4 years as well as living past her lifespan made the rampancy obvious and logic.
What was great was her sacrifice to save John at the end of Halo 4.
Which was then made useless and stripped of it’s impact on Master Chief in Halo 5.
Personally I don’t think bringing Cortana back in Halo 5 was a bad idea. Through Halo 1-4, Master Chief and Cortana’s dynamics and chemistry worked so well that without her or with a new AI, it just wouldn’t feel like Halo anymore. Cortana dying in Halo 4 was a plot point and her coming back in Halo 5 was a plot twist. 343 needed a way to bring her back and then have the Chief eventually save her from her craziness, “just like we always knew he would”. 343 has a way out of this and it’s the LOGIC PLAGUE (I’m surprised no one has mentioned it yet). This would make the actions of Cortana in Halo 5 to be forgivable as it wasn’t her in her right mind doing all these and it would give substance to the plot of her being left behind in High Charity with the Gravemend. It was his plan all along - letting her go with a seed planted that would cause what she did in Halo 5 (Nobody watched Inception? lol) - crippling mankind’s defenses and setting up the perfect stage for the Flood to return. In Halo 4 Chief says Halsey can fix Cortana and Cortana later on agrees that it might be possible. That option is still in the cards. Sorry I personally was happy that Cortana was brought back in Halo 5 because after Halo 4 I thought Halo would never be the same again.
Now the real mess up 343 did in Halo 5 according to me was to make us play almost the entire game with this emotionless ROBOT called Locke and also introducing the squad system. It just destroys the tension when you ALWAYS have backup (not puny random marines but proper Spartans!) Please no more of these in Halo Infinite!
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> Personally I don’t think bringing Cortana back in Halo 5 was a bad idea. Through Halo 1-4, Master Chief and Cortana’s dynamics and chemistry worked so well that without her or with a new AI, it just wouldn’t feel like Halo anymore. Cortana dying in Halo 4 was a plot point and her coming back in Halo 5 was a plot twist. 343 needed a way to bring her back and then have the Chief eventually save her from her craziness, “just like we always knew he would”. 343 has a way out of this and it’s the LOGIC PLAGUE (I’m surprised no one has mentioned it yet). This would make the actions of Cortana in Halo 5 to be forgivable as it wasn’t her in her right mind doing all these and it would give substance to the plot of her being left behind in High Charity with the Gravemend. It was his plan all along - letting her go with a seed planted that would cause what she did in Halo 5 (Nobody watched Inception? lol) - crippling mankind’s defenses and setting up the perfect stage for the Flood to return. In Halo 4 Chief says Halsey can fix Cortana and Cortana later on agrees that it might be possible. That option is still in the cards. Sorry I personally was happy that Cortana was brought back in Halo 5 because after Halo 4 I thought Halo would never be the same again.
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> Now the real mess up 343 did in Halo 5 according to me was to make us play almost the entire game with this emotionless ROBOT called Locke and also introducing the squad system. It just destroys the tension when you ALWAYS have backup (not puny random marines but proper Spartans!) Please no more of these in Halo Infinite!
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> Can’t wait for Fall 2020!
Locke’s not “emotionless”, just a professional. John was a lot like that in CE too, aside from the ocassional one-liner. Something about Bungie wanting him to be an “empty shell” for the Player to pretend they were (Like Fireteam Crimson in Halo 4)
As for the backup, the AI’s not all that better than from any other game. They still suck at driving, they die more often than not and are all but useless on Legendary, etc. If they had them “Mostly with you” like in Reach that might have gone better; order them around when you have them, and go at it solo everytime else. But they throw this out in Infinite and that means RIP Blue Team, after FINALLY getting to see them together in a game for the first time…
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> > Personally I don’t think bringing Cortana back in Halo 5 was a bad idea. Through Halo 1-4, Master Chief and Cortana’s dynamics and chemistry worked so well that without her or with a new AI, it just wouldn’t feel like Halo anymore. Cortana dying in Halo 4 was a plot point and her coming back in Halo 5 was a plot twist. 343 needed a way to bring her back and then have the Chief eventually save her from her craziness, “just like we always knew he would”. 343 has a way out of this and it’s the LOGIC PLAGUE (I’m surprised no one has mentioned it yet). This would make the actions of Cortana in Halo 5 to be forgivable as it wasn’t her in her right mind doing all these and it would give substance to the plot of her being left behind in High Charity with the Gravemend. It was his plan all along - letting her go with a seed planted that would cause what she did in Halo 5 (Nobody watched Inception? lol) - crippling mankind’s defenses and setting up the perfect stage for the Flood to return. In Halo 4 Chief says Halsey can fix Cortana and Cortana later on agrees that it might be possible. That option is still in the cards. Sorry I personally was happy that Cortana was brought back in Halo 5 because after Halo 4 I thought Halo would never be the same again.
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> > Now the real mess up 343 did in Halo 5 according to me was to make us play almost the entire game with this emotionless ROBOT called Locke and also introducing the squad system. It just destroys the tension when you ALWAYS have backup (not puny random marines but proper Spartans!) Please no more of these in Halo Infinite!
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> > Can’t wait for Fall 2020!
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> Locke’s not “emotionless”, just a professional. John was a lot like that in CE too, aside from the ocassional one-liner. Something about Bungie wanting him to be an “empty shell” for the Player to pretend they were (Like Fireteam Crimson in Halo 4)
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> As for the backup, the AI’s not all that better than from any other game. They still suck at driving, they die more often than not and are all but useless on Legendary, etc. If they had them “Mostly with you” like in Reach that might have gone better; order them around when you have them, and go at it solo everytime else. But they throw this out in Infinite and that means RIP Blue Team, after FINALLY getting to see them together in a game for the first time…
Yeah the AI driving needs to be improved. I can never wield the gun in the Warthog. As far as the team thing goes, yes Blue Team was awesome for sure but it also made things easier like having the chance of being revived when down. Also for example when the Warden shows up, and I’ve tried this multiple times, just order your fireteam to target the Warden, stay away from him and wait like a min and guess what? Warden’s dead lol. I don’t know how it is in Legendary though. Also the squadmates being down doesn’t pose a real threat because someone else can revive them or even if they die it’s not game over. They just respawn after the fight is over. Seriously, I’ve gone through Halo 5 countless times without reviving a downed squadmate even once! I just treat them as cannon fodder lol (Yes I bring shame to the Master Chief Clan).
Going solo provided real tension, like the 343 Guilty Spark Flood chapter in Halo CE or the Cortana chapter in Halo 3 in High Charity. Having squadmates there, even worthless ones takes most of the tension away! That’s what Halo 1, 2 and 3 did so well - giving you squadmates in “feel good” missions where you power through and then leave you alone in long missions to put you under pressure. This psychological trick really works wonders and really helped with the pacing of the games. Add Cortana to that mix and that brought even more variety in the solo missions where there was atleast someone there with you even if she couldn’t provide any real support. Without her made you feel even more alone. I FELT that during the different missions I played.
As I see it this whole thing with Cortana in halo 5 while really kind of bad was a inevitability as John would have never excepted her death unless he saw her truly die before his eyes (which was not quite what happened in 4. She died but not all of her.) or if he does it himself. This leads to how expect this to go for halo infinite.
In infinite I expect a few things to happen.
The first is that this will likely be chiefs last game, the final fight and all while we will have a new villain in our way the end fight will be between John and Cortana. - The second I believe to be is that we are going to see a one of three main ways to end our story of Cortana and John
Either John is going to have to kill Cortana in which case I believe he will in some way die as well and they will effectively die together. (Most Likely) - John will have to kill her which will effectively drive him into retirement or into becoming a teacher of the next generation. (Second Most Likely) - John will Save Cortana somehow and they (super sappy) will end up together and the two of them will for lack of a better way phrasing it end up settling down together or become teacher of the next generation. (Least Likely but at the same time kind of my person hope) - In this game we will have a major event happen. Something that would be cosmos shaking. While not likely something to the same magnitude of the remaining halo rings being destroyed. This will either create the focus of a new generation which would be the drive for any future halo games or be the final close to the halo franchise.
Do you know where they went wrong in h5 was having us play 80% of the game as locke and not even the chief… i for one have always liked the connection between the chief and cortana… shes his woman and clearly will do anything for her… and likewise… shes the only one really we have ever seen him get emotional or showed any types of feelings for and disobeyed orders ect… i wouldnt mind him saving her bringing her back to his side then him leaving the unsc behind
Halo 2, we lost her
Halo 3, we regretted leaving her and went back for her
Halo 4, she was going rampant and sacrificed herself to save you
Halo 5, the absolute worst writing in the series made up a bs reason to bring her back because of unskilled writers.
She should have been gone after Halo 4. Would have been the best ending for her character. Hopefully she just fades into the void of the created AI network and never returns.