Hello, I just picked this game up and was wondering what a ranking of all the Leaders would currently be. Thanks.
It’s kind of contentious. Here’s what I think:
- Forge- Kodiak drop, rolling eco, and Forgehog are all oppressively good.
- Arby- CoR and Phantoms are unbeatable late game.
- Pavium- Can turtle infinitely against most leaders.
- Anders- Quick and cheap upgrades and a great ultimate unit makes her pretty good.
- Isabel- Fast tech into hogs with accelerated assembly shuts down everyone below her on this list.
- Serina- Freezing is annoying if not borderline OP, frostravens are slept on.
- Voridus- Late game is goo-tastic and an utter mess; hero’s Y ability is ridiculous.
- Decimus- Choppers are strong enough to kill hogs with his passives; Decimus drop is broken.
- Jerome- Mastodons with Cyclops counters hogs well, and Omega Team counters Forge’s Grizzly Battalion perfectly.
- Johnson- Early game is terrible, but Mantises are great units combined with Mech Overcharge and EMP Mac.
- Cutter- Great infantry, but he’s become irrelevant in the fast tech meta.
- Kinsano- Redline is good for hornets, but air is particularly weak right now.
- Atriox- Fortifications is nearly worthless, and his late game is underwhelming with Pavium being so good.
- Shipmaster- Cloaking is gimmicky and teleporting isn’t unique to him, but he’s got an underrated hero.
- Colony- Virtually one predictable option for early game (Goliaths), but has an okay mid to late game due to Colony Drop.
- YapYap- No answer for Flamers, and won’t make it past early game against a good UNSC.
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> It’s kind of contentious. Here’s what I think:
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> 1. Forge
> 2. Arby
> 3. Pavium
> 4. Anders
> 5. Isabel
> 6. Serina
> 7. Voridus
> 8. Decimus
> 9. Jerome
> 10. Johnson
> 11. Cutter
> 12. Kinsano
> 13. Atriox
> 14. Shipmaster
> 15. Colony
> 16. YapYap
Cool. I find it interesting how I either hear above how OP Voridus and Pavium are, yet people seem to also say the banished aren’t very good in general. It does seem like all the best players are saying Forge, Arby, and Anders though.
What is particular makes Pavium good? Voridus looks pretty crazy just based off his leader abilities, so I can understand him.
Also, what do you think will get nerfed in the future? I am wanted to avoid playing things that are just going to get nerfed eventually.
100% my opinion here, but I would rank the leaders something like this;
- Forge
- Arby
- Anders
- Jerome
- Isabel
- Serina
- Pav
- Johnson
- Cutter
- Voridus
- Decimus
- Yap
- Atriox
- Kinsano
- Shipmaster
- Colony
Im ranking how these leaders perform in 1’s. For 2’s or 3’s, this list would be slightly different.
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> > It’s kind of contentious. Here’s what I think:
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> > 1. Forge
> > 2. Arby
> > 3. Pavium
> > 4. Anders
> > 5. Isabel
> > 6. Serina
> > 7. Voridus
> > 8. Decimus
> > 9. Jerome
> > 10. Johnson
> > 11. Cutter
> > 12. Kinsano
> > 13. Atriox
> > 14. Shipmaster
> > 15. Colony
> > 16. YapYap
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> Cool. I find it interesting how I either hear above how OP Voridus and Pavium are, yet people seem to also say the banished aren’t very good in general. It does seem like all the best players are saying Forge, Arby, and Anders though.
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> What is particular makes Pavium good? Voridus looks pretty crazy just based off his leader abilities, so I can understand him.
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> Also, what do you think will get nerfed in the future? I am wanted to avoid playing things that are just going to get nerfed eventually.
I edited the post to give my reasoning.
Banished aren’t good mostly. Pavium is a glaring exception. I had a game last night that went on for over 4 hours against a Pavium, 5 bases to 1, and there was no possible way I could break him. UNSC is mostly good because of how OP hogs are currently, but Pavium and Arby make up for it with broken leader powers, and in Arby’s case, an alternative (phantoms).
When fully upgraded, Ultra Mines will wipe half a pop of 120. The same goes for Rain of Fire except even more so. Most people agree that Pavium is more broken than his brother, or as I call him, “Goo Boi.”
Hogs will probably cost more pop as well as have a longer build time. Pavium’s abilities will be nerfed in regards to cost, cooldown, and damage I’d assume. The Forgehog’s defense aura will most likely see a nerf as well. Arby’s CoR will see a nerf as well.
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> > > It’s kind of contentious. Here’s what I think:
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> > > 1. Forge
> > > 2. Arby
> > > 3. Pavium
> > > 4. Anders
> > > 5. Isabel
> > > 6. Serina
> > > 7. Voridus
> > > 8. Decimus
> > > 9. Jerome
> > > 10. Johnson
> > > 11. Cutter
> > > 12. Kinsano
> > > 13. Atriox
> > > 14. Shipmaster
> > > 15. Colony
> > > 16. YapYap
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> > Cool. I find it interesting how I either hear above how OP Voridus and Pavium are, yet people seem to also say the banished aren’t very good in general. It does seem like all the best players are saying Forge, Arby, and Anders though.
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> > What is particular makes Pavium good? Voridus looks pretty crazy just based off his leader abilities, so I can understand him.
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> > Also, what do you think will get nerfed in the future? I am wanted to avoid playing things that are just going to get nerfed eventually.
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> I edited the post to give my reasoning.
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> Banished aren’t good mostly. Pavium is a glaring exception. I had a game last night that went on for over 4 hours against a Pavium, 5 bases to 1, and there was no possible way I could break him. UNSC is mostly good because of how OP hogs are currently, but Pavium and Arby make up for it with broken leader powers, and in Arby’s case, an alternative (phantoms).
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> When fully upgraded, Ultra Mines will wipe half a pop of 120. The same goes for Rain of Fire except even more so. Most people agree that Pavium is more broken than his brother, or as I call him, “Goo Boi.”
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> Hogs will probably cost more pop as well as have a longer build time. Pavium’s abilities will be nerfed in regards to cost, cooldown, and damage I’d assume. The Forgehog’s defense aura will most likely see a nerf as well. Arby’s CoR will see a nerf as well.
Cool. Did the devs confirm any of those nerfs, or atleast comment on them?
With those nerfs in mind, I am thinking about maybe going for Serina. I was an Anders main in HW1, and she looks like Anders on steroids with all those cryo bombs. I have a few questions though.
How good are Serina’s special units, the Snow-flamerthrowers and the Snowmobile thing? Does freezing air units still mean that they insta-killed?
Also, how do Spartan’s work? Can anyone build them? If Halo Wars 1 taught me anything, it’s that 3 Spartan Tanks, micro’d well enough, will kill anything.
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> > > > It’s kind of contentious. Here’s what I think:
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> > > > 1. Forge
> > > > 2. Arby
> > > > 3. Pavium
> > > > 4. Anders
> > > > 5. Isabel
> > > > 6. Serina
> > > > 7. Voridus
> > > > 8. Decimus
> > > > 9. Jerome
> > > > 10. Johnson
> > > > 11. Cutter
> > > > 12. Kinsano
> > > > 13. Atriox
> > > > 14. Shipmaster
> > > > 15. Colony
> > > > 16. YapYap
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> Cool. Did the devs confirm any of those nerfs, or atleast comment on them?
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> With those nerfs in mind, I am thinking about maybe going for Serina. I was an Anders main in HW1, and she looks like Anders on steroids with all those cryo bombs. I have a few questions though.
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> How good are Serina’s special units, the Snow-flamerthrowers and the Snowmobile thing? Does freezing air units still mean that they insta-killed?
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> Also, how do Spartan’s work? Can anyone build them? If Halo Wars 1 taught me anything, it’s that 3 Spartan Tanks, micro’d well enough, will kill anything.
No confirmation of nerfs, just guesses. If they don’t fix the things I mentioned, there will surely be a riot (one I’ll be taking part in).
Serina is a mixed bag. While her Cryotroopers are above average anti-infantry, there’s no point in building them due to the vehicle meta. Her Hero is also great, but quite immobile, so most of the time it’s best to delay getting it out. Frozen air units don’t instantly die like they did in HW 1. Once frozen, you can use Seismic Blast on them to do a lot of damage. Frostravens also have a Y ability which has the same effect against frozen units. Still, I consider Anders a better choice than Serina currently.
Only Cutter, Anders, Isabel, and Jerome can build Spartans as Heroes. Jerome’s Spartan is special, as he can call down a command mantis and has better range than the other three. I think he’s still outclassed by the other three though. The sheer amount of HP they have is startling, and their ability to hi-jack and stun units is a game changer.
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> Cool. I find it interesting how I either hear above how OP Voridus and Pavium are, yet people seem to also say the banished aren’t very good in general. It does seem like all the best players are saying Forge, Arby, and Anders though.
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> What is particular makes Pavium good? Voridus looks pretty crazy just based off his leader abilities, so I can understand him.
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> Also, what do you think will get nerfed in the future? I am wanted to avoid playing things that are just going to get nerfed eventually.
Your Leader Tier List will change from 1v1,2v2,3v3 so I’ll leave that for the rest of the community to answers.
If you’re interested in what is to come with potential Nerfs/Buffs i suggest you check out the Op post in
BALANCE PRIORITIES V2.0And if you’re interested in raw unit stats check out
UNIT STATS
If you want a detailed breakdown of what needs to be done to balance the game, you can watch this livestream which is live right now where high level players are talking about what needs to be done. It’s centered around the thread that Maximus just linked.
No leader is bad in hw2, but some have more ‘assets’ then others, for instance Cutter and Isabel can’t inspire their troops but Commander Jerome can