According to this website (http://izhere.net/tools/stats.php) there are 28 UNSC leaders that aren’t Cutter in the Champion League, which has 188 players at the current moment. That’s only 15%. That translates to the other 85% (160 leaders) being either Banished or Cutter. Keep in mind that these are the best of the best, real top-tier players. Considering that there are 6 UNSC leaders and 4 Banished leaders, that means that HALF of the roster is virtually unused in top-tier play. If that doesn’t speak volumes about the current state of balance in the game, then I don’t know what will. Please buff the underused leaders so we can see a true variety of leaders being used in top-tier play.
I’m pretty sure it’s a general consensus among the community that UNSC (excluding Cutter) need to be buffed. Don’t think anyone is against that.
I am sure the the UNSC as a whole will get a buff that will, hopefully, bring both races in line with one another.
Really hope they don’t change cutter as he is the only one who can really compete with Banished.
Isabel I think is in a pretty good spot. She murders cutter and most others if she gets going late…that is if she gets going late. Still would give her a lil help somewhere tho.
Kinsano got nerfed everyway she could be nerfed, but still very playable. I think moving Redline up a lil bit on the leader power wheel could make her more effective.
An easy solution to Forge is to give his Rolling Economy back to the way it was. Making Rolling Thunder a little less easy to dodge would also help.
I would love to hear some ideas to get Ders back to the way she was other than bring back Sentinals to their formal glory. That first month of Sentinal spam from Ders made the game almost unplayable, that’s the last thing I’d like to see.
Johnson really only needs his mech units to be more viable, and he would be very solid. The mechs however, particularly the colossus need a total rework.
You forgot to mention that 53 of those champion players are Cutter mains or 33.125%.
Not surprised, but the good news is that it can be seen who needs to be re-balanced and such. Wow, we need that stat screen or something similar in the game right away!
Someone please point me to an RTS which has balance 4 months off the shelf with 10 leaders… I mean in the history of gaming…
you people are so negative no wonder 343 has given up on trying to please you.
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> Someone please point me to an RTS which has balance 4 months off the shelf with 10 leaders… I mean in the history of gaming…
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> you people are so negative no wonder 343 has given up on trying to please you.
Seriously… I don’t know why people expect maricals, or bring up that they spent 80$ on this game and feel like they’re owed more. $80 doesn’t even pay for a nice night out, and that’s one night. I’ve already more than enough fun playing this game to get my money’s worth, I just hope 343 keeps heading in the right direction, no leaps and bounds just progress
Is the game dead enough yet for me to be able to say… i told u so? The game needed to be balanced by top players. Not the majority But hey. What do i know… well if i get backlash for this i can always wait a few weeks and come back. Should be less people by then ^^
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> Is the game dead enough yet for me to be able to say… i told u so? The game needed to be balanced by top players. Not the majority But hey. What do i know… well if i get backlash for this i can always wait a few weeks and come back. Should be less people by then ^^
yeah 
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> Is the game dead enough yet for me to be able to say… i told u so? The game needed to be balanced by top players. Not the majority But hey. What do i know… well if i get backlash for this i can always wait a few weeks and come back. Should be less people by then ^^
NO, and the game being dead is not a result of it not getting balanced by top end players.
When I bought this game I knew it would die eventually and had the chance to die quick.
- It’s an RTS
So expecting it to be a hugely popular game in today’s market is stupid. Nobody cares about them anymore. Even starcraft is out of sight, out of mind to any main stream audience. Especially on console, its trending the same way Halo wars 1 did where it will die, go free, and then revive to a state where you can at least grab games and still play. They launched a game into a market where they would have to steal players from other RTS games. You are not going to pull players off of legacy games that are already balanced well and have been in the scene since 2000.
- Balance
There’s only been two nerfs that I haven’t agreed with so far and that’s Ander’s Ark defense nerf and Kinsano’s flame hog/inferno 2nd damage nerf. All the current nerfs did was reveal that certain heros without a blatantly over powered starting rush strat are bad. We took away JR’s and suddenly Forge, Anders, Kinsano (more the flame hog nerf) are bad? That’s not even Johnson. Nobody ever pointed out that taking away these strats would actually reveal that the characters as a whole are just garbage in the grand scheme of the game. You can’t even use them the way they were meant to be played. It’s not even hard to interpret the way they are meant to be played, its extremely apparent.
Then there’s Isa’s case that I don’t see anyone ever draw an issue to and that’s the fact she is the only UNSC character in the game that can play tanks. Everyone’s just like Isa’s shell canister is to OP (That’s not even really what’s OP about them). Nobody points out the fact that there are 4 other UNSC that still can not build tanks even after we have buffed them this much. Which is hilarious because one of them, whose considered garbage, relies on them and his character is based on them.
You are one of the most invested players in the game and yet you don’t care. You don’t care about what happens in 2’s, you don’t care what happens in 3’s, you don’t care about anyone else’s experiences. The only thing you do care about is whether or not your favorite character is capable of ending the game in 10m. That’s why they don’t balance the game around you. Though, the majority of changes have been sub 10m changes.
So no, the reason the game is dying has nothing to do about whether or not your “fabled” 1% balanced the game to this point.
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> > Is the game dead enough yet for me to be able to say… i told u so? The game needed to be balanced by top players. Not the majority But hey. What do i know… well if i get backlash for this i can always wait a few weeks and come back. Should be less people by then ^^
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> NO, and the game being dead is not a result of it not getting balanced by top end players.
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> When I bought this game I knew it would die eventually and had the chance to die quick.
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> 1. It’s an RTS
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> So expecting it to be a hugely popular game in today’s market is stupid. Nobody cares about them anymore. Even starcraft is out of sight, out of mind to any main stream audience. Especially on console, its trending the same way Halo wars 1 did where it will die, go free, and then revive to a state where you can at least grab games and still play. They launched a game into a market where they would have to steal players from other RTS games. You are not going to pull players off of legacy games that are already balanced well and have been in the scene since 2000.
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> 2. Balance
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> There’s only been two nerfs that I haven’t agreed with so far and that’s Ander’s Ark defense nerf and Kinsano’s flame hog/inferno 2nd damage nerf. All the current nerfs did was reveal that certain heros without a blatantly over powered starting rush strat are bad. We took away JR’s and suddenly Forge, Anders, Kinsano (more the flame hog nerf) are bad? That’s not even Johnson. Nobody ever pointed out that taking away these strats would actually reveal that the characters as a whole are just garbage in the grand scheme of the game. You can’t even use them the way they were meant to be played. It’s not even hard to interpret the way they are meant to be played, its extremely apparent.
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> Then there’s Isa’s case that I don’t see anyone ever draw an issue to and that’s the fact she is the only UNSC character in the game that can play tanks. Everyone’s just like Isa’s shell canister is to OP (That’s not even really what’s OP about them). Nobody points out the fact that there are 4 other UNSC that still can not build tanks even after we have buffed them this much. Which is hilarious because one of them, whose considered garbage, relies on them and his character is based on them.
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> You are one of the most invested players in the game and yet you don’t care. You don’t care about what happens in 2’s, you don’t care what happens in 3’s, you don’t care about anyone else’s experiences. The only thing you do care about is whether or not your favorite character is capable of ending the game in 10m. That’s why they don’t balance the game around you. Though, the majority of changes have been sub 10m changes.
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> So no, the reason the game is dying has nothing to do about whether or not your “fabled” 1% balanced the game to this point.
This is right on point. I know 0 rts console games with the population of Hw2. It’s a great game. Sometimes people feel as if they are more important than they are.
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> > Someone please point me to an RTS which has balance 4 months off the shelf with 10 leaders… I mean in the history of gaming…
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> > you people are so negative no wonder 343 has given up on trying to please you.
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> Seriously… I don’t know why people expect maricals, or bring up that they spent 80$ on this game and feel like they’re owed more. $80 doesn’t even pay for a nice night out, and that’s one night. I’ve already more than enough fun playing this game to get my money’s worth, I just hope 343 keeps heading in the right direction, no leaps and bounds just progress
This. All of this.