Ok so I might just be paranoid here but hear me out. At the conclusion of the original trilogy the only main characters who were definetly not killed off (excluding Chief/Cortana) were Lord Hood, Rtas Vadum and The Arbiter. Now lets look at the killed off characters. Jacob Keyes, 343 Guilty Spark, Miranda Keyes, Sgt. Johnson, The 3 Prophets, The Gravemind. So naturally when 343 industries took over they had to invest in developing some interesting characters. From this logic, to stress the evils of whatever future foes John and Agent Locke will face, some of these invested characters will die.
Take Lasky for example. Friendly-yet-firm, Intelligent, Captain. Sounds familiar? Captain Keyes anyone? I think we can assume that Lasky will suffer a similar fake to Jacob Keyes, now that we have a bond with him. As for Sarah Palmer. Strong-willed, empowered woman. Miranda Keyes anyone? I just think we can safely assume that from the roster of characters introduced in Halo 4 at least one of them is going to die. Thoughts?
I actually think Lasky will make it through to the end. To me he feels like a character that’s being built up to help bring about change in the UNSC. Palmer I’m not sure about. On the one hand they may want to use her for spin-off material, on the other her death would be a defining moment for Lasky and the Spartan IVs.
I don’t want Thomas Lasky to die… prior to the Battle of Circinius IV he states to Chyler that there has to be something more worth fighting for… rather than his fellow human? This speaks that Lasky doesn’t take war very lightly and doesn’t relish the point of where he must rebel to lead properly… he has always shown quality merit, and I wouldn’t mind him become Admiral of the Navy, successor of Lord Terrance Hood… this way he could almost ‘undermine’ Serin Osman and her bewitching motives… to which he doesn’t agree with.
I’ll celebrate when Palmer dies. It’ll be one of the all-time greatest Halo moments for me; like when those two scarabs dropped in ‘The Covenant’ on Halo 3 or the first moments of playing as The Arbiter in Halo 2.
Lasky however is an interesting character. I like him, but he’s kinda generic in my eyes. I feel he’s like Captain Keyes, but with him Bungie made sure to go right to the point and not have him stand around excessively and do nothing but talk - like what Lasky is doing now. A death would definitely make him interesting again.
I like some of the ideas here and if Palmer died I would celebrate as much as Arby 2 up there! ^.^ I don’t think Lasky will or should, I’m pretty sure he’s going to be around and stick for a long time along with Agent Locke since they’re investing so much in each of them. That’s just me though.
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> I actually think Lasky will make it through to the end. To me he feels like a character that’s being built up to help bring about change in the UNSC. Palmer I’m not sure about. On the one hand they may want to use her for spin-off material, on the other her death would be a defining moment for Lasky and the Spartan IVs.
They’ve already done a sort of spin off for Palmer with Spartan OPs and the Initiation comics. I agree they’ll probably keep her around.
There actually weren’t that many other critical characters introduced in 4. My vote is one of the series mainstay’s will get offed soon…Halsey or Hood.
I don’t understand the cheers for Palmer’s death, I find it a bit distributing. Honestly, what is Palmer’s great sin? A joke she cracked to Chief in Halo 4’s campaign that people really need to get over already? Bad writing in Spartan Ops and Initiation that has since been rectified by Escalation making her a better character? I’m no Palmer fanboy or anything, but the calls for her mutilation and torture and death across multiple threads on Waypoint because of the stupidest reasons need to really get over it.
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> Ok so I might just be paranoid here but hear me out. At the conclusion of the original trilogy the only main characters who were definetly not killed off (excluding Chief/Cortana) were Lord Hood, Rtas Vadum and The Arbiter. Now lets look at the killed off characters. Jacob Keyes, 343 Guilty Spark, Miranda Keyes, Sgt. Johnson, The 3 Prophets, The Gravemind. So naturally when 343 industries took over they had to invest in developing some interesting characters. From this logic, to stress the evils of whatever future foes John and Agent Locke will face, some of these invested characters will die.
“Logic.” You keep using that word…
Halo is military science fiction, so characters are going to die eventually. But there’s no reason to conclude that individual characters will meet the fate of their original-trilogy counterparts.
Also, Miranda and Palmer are only vaguely similar when you strip out almost everything about their characters, leaving only the fact that they’re take-charge females in command who garnered negative fan reactions.
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> I don’t understand the cheers for Palmer’s death, I find it a bit distributing. Honestly, what is Palmer’s great sin? A joke she cracked to Chief in Halo 4’s campaign that people really need to get over already? Bad writing in Spartan Ops and Initiation that has since been rectified by Escalation making her a better character? I’m no Palmer fanboy or anything, but the calls for her mutilation and torture and death across multiple threads on Waypoint because of the stupidest reasons need to really get over it.
All I can say is, it’s hard to get Brian Reed’s fanboyism of the character out of your mouth. And at the end of the day, she’s one of a number of things Halo would do better without.
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> All I can say is, it’s hard to get Brian Reed’s fanboyism of the character out of your mouth. And at the end of the day, she’s one of a number of things Halo would do better without.
Really don’t get the hate for Palmer, DecepticonCobra has summed up most of my feelings on it (though I didn’t think Initiation was that bad but hey, that’s just me)
I don’t like Palmer, or any of the Spartan Operation Spartans for that matter, save Thorne (who I feel could be an outstanding character) who is the only one who acts like a Spartan.
Lasky, on the other hand, I like a lot and feel he is both suited for the position to lead and also represents the UNSC very well. This comes from my own realistic viewpoints based on my own military past.
That said, I doubt they kill off either for awhile (if ever) but from a real world business standpoint I am sure Palmer will not be killed due to the investment they likely made into her character in regards to who voices her and the fact she is a woman in a position of power. It’s unfortunate Miranda Keyes isn’t around any longer as I prefer her role in the series considerably more so than Palmer. Of course Halsey, as well, but don’t get me started on that one as I will simply wait and see how that one plays out.
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I’m not convinced we would be better off without, but we would be better off if she had been better written. But that complaint holds against a lot of the Spartan Ops. She comes across as person promoted past her capacity to cope, with piles of chips on her shoulders about anyone who isn’t a Spartan so great, that I’m surprised she can balance. She is written as a person who will willingly disobey direct orders (reference arresting John-117), and yet will quite happily follow her prejudices against Halsey (especially given the questionable legitimacy of the order to terminate). And then again, will perjure herself (when it can be easily proven) to protect Lasky. She seems to have an ability to get people offside very easily, to the point where if you didn’t know otherwise, you would think that the writers were deliberately creating a character you weren’t meant to like.
Personally, I’d prefer if she matured, learnt to respect the other branches (skill sets), and demonstrated some abilities as a soldier (taking paired handguns into the stronghold to eliminate Halsey is not a good selection, no matter how skilled you are with them). Once she starts acting like a person people can respect (respecting the person, not the role / position), then I would be a lot happier. Right now, the way she has been portrayed is less than ideal, although she did improve a lot in Escalations #11.
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> I don’t understand the cheers for Palmer’s death, I find it a bit distributing. Honestly, what is Palmer’s great sin? A joke she cracked to Chief in Halo 4’s campaign that people really need to get over already? Bad writing in Spartan Ops and Initiation that has since been rectified by Escalation making her a better character? I’m no Palmer fanboy or anything, but the calls for her mutilation and torture and death across multiple threads on Waypoint because of the stupidest reasons need to really get over it.
I agree withh you. I have to admit there was one word she used that bugged me but I dont think she should die for it.
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You say that she has improved in escalation 11 but you include no examples from the series. The way she handled demarcos demise, taking out scruggs etc. I dont have a problem with her character at all.
OT: Dnt think they will die. Im quoting Kiki Wolfkill her: We want to build a supporting cast for MC, since we got a tendency to kill of supporting character
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I think the reason she didn’t follow orders to arrest the Chief is one, everyone respects the Chief, and two, everone can see that captain del rio was wrong on so many different levels
