He has some traits of both IMO.
Similarily to Keyes he’s a very good tactical leader and has earned great respect from his crew and is able to inspire those who serve under his command.
Similarily to Johnson he relates to John as a friend instead of just a soldier or a machine and has the greatest respect for him. He tries to help John realize he’s human and not a machine.
Who do you guys think he resembles more?
Tom Lasky aka Jacob Keyes junior xD
I have been meaning to write a thread on this, mind if i jack yours?
I for one LOVE lasky’s character, i haven’t seen the Dawn clips yet (yeah i missed out) but his character is probably the best in the haloverse because you really get a feel about him and what he is about.
Hell, i was just watching the Reclaimer scene and you can tell he doesn’t want to follow orders and terminate cortana. Then you see him shouting at Del Rio trying to get him to calm down. Then with Midnight he sounds giddy when chief arrives and seems ecstatic knowing that he will be fighting alongside him-his hero.
I never understood the buzz around Johnshon because I read the books as they came out. So for me the “real” Johnson that people should be whooing over is his character in FS even then you only like him because he is the only character showed to really talk to the chief and not fanboy over him (excuse lasky). My attempt to be a johnson fanboy completely died when Bungie randomly killed him off for reason i say is him being black because there was no other reason for it.But anyways, I really like how they Did Lasky’s Character and hopefully we have more stars akin to him. On the same coin i hope they can do a villain with enough…persona. Jul seems to be fitting that but due to us hardly seeing him you can’t really say.
I’d say johnson, because he’s more of chief’s friend. Johnson works with chief, he doesnt just order him around.
Jacob Keyes seemed too professional around chief, maybe a bit “old friend” but they didnt really coordinate together ever. His daughter was only slightly better, but was still more of a command role.
I think Lasky is a better “friend” character than the original triology had (not counting cortana). He works with chief, but has a different enough role, perspective, and abilities, that he can augment chief’s abilities. Johnson just dropped off gear and needed to be saved alot of time.
I will say Lasky sounds like chief’s Robin though sometimes.
> I have been meaning to write a thread on this, mind if i jack yours?
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> Hell, i was just watching the Reclaimer scene and you can tell he doesn’t want to follow orders and terminate cortana. Then you see him shouting at Del Rio trying to get him to calm down. Then with Midnight he sounds giddy when chief arrives and seems ecstatic knowing that he will be fighting alongside him-his hero.
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Lol, are you accusing Bungie of racism? They didn’t kill him because he was black, but because they thought it would make the story appear more tragic.
They actually postponed his death until the very end, having characters like Miranda Keyes die before him, presumably to avoid the whole “Black dude dies first” trope.
The same happened for Emile at the end of Halo: Reach. It’s obvious that Bungie understand the concept of racial sensitivity and how that can effect the success of their games.
> > I have been meaning to write a thread on this, mind if i jack yours?
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> > Hell, i was just watching the Reclaimer scene and you can tell he doesn’t want to follow orders and terminate cortana. Then you see him shouting at Del Rio trying to get him to calm down. Then with Midnight he sounds giddy when chief arrives and seems ecstatic knowing that he will be fighting alongside him-his hero.
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> > I never understood the buzz around Johnshon because I read the books as they came out. So for me the “real” Johnson that people should be whooing over is his character in FS even then you only like him because he is the only character showed to really talk to the chief and not fanboy over him (excuse lasky). <mark>My attempt to be a johnson fanboy completely died when Bungie randomly killed him off for reason i say is him being black because there was no other reason for it.</mark>But anyways, I really like how they Did Lasky’s Character and hopefully we have more stars akin to him. On the same coin i hope they can do a villain with enough…persona. Jul seems to be fitting that but due to us hardly seeing him you can’t really say.
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> Lol, are you accusing Bungie of racism? They didn’t kill him because he was black, but because they thought it would make the story appear more tragic.
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> The same happened for Emile at the end of Halo: Reach. It’s obvious that Bungie understand the concept of racial sensitivity and how that can effect the success of their games.
It wasn’t sad at all, just a pointless death. I seriously threw my controller and shouted What the F*** when it happened because it was so stupid.
The black guy had to get killed right before the game ended like really? By 343 of all things? that was extremely poor. None of the deaths in halo 3 made any sense.
Keys in CE no complains.
No complaints on the prophets and Tartarus in halo 2
No Issue with truth
Miranda’s character just went downhill in halo 3; she went from being a decent commander to a wanna be badass miley cyrus in halo 3. Did she really think she could kill a brute with a shotgun and a pistol like that? really? I was Glad when she died so i wouldn’t have to deal with her nonsense but other than that it was stupid as she shouldn’t have been there in the first place.
But johnson survived the entire war to get killed by a lightbulb, so anticlimactic. Then they had to try involving him in ODST and other subsequent media as if they knew they did something wrong.
I think he’s neither. He isn’t as bad— as Johnson was (will anyone ever be?), and he doesn’t command over Chief like Keyes did. He even says at the end that he doesn’t feel that the Chief should have to call him “Sir”. He helps show the other, more human side of Halo. FUD really showcased how “regular soldiers” operated. In fact, one of the best parts of Halo 4 was when Lasky said “Never thought I’d see you again”. It was a subtle nod to FUD without drowning Chief’s story in it. Johnson was really fleshed out in-game in Halo 3. He started to become John’s good friend who wasn’t afraid to tell it as it is. Keyes seemed like the old friend who commanded respect but also gave it. So maybe it’s just a blend of both characters’ qualities that helps to define Thomas Lasky. Besides Dalton, he is the only tolerable character in SpOps. I can’t stand Palmer. In the campaign, she is actually funny in the one line she has, but in SpOps she bugs me. She is a stuck-up soldier who frowns upon intelligence and science. Does anyone else feel this way, or am I just weird?
> The same happened for Emile at the end of Halo: Reach. It’s obvious that Bungie understand the concept of racial sensitivity and how that can effect the success of their games.
Emile’s face is never shown, so how can we be sure he wasn’t white? Plus, Jun was the Asian. I don’t think Bungie was being racist at all. It was just to add a lot of emotion. And it clearly worked.
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> Emile’s face is never shown, so how can we be sure he wasn’t white? Plus, Jun was the Asian. I don’t think Bungie was being racist at all. It was just to add a lot of emotion. And it clearly worked.
Emile is black from his voice actor and concept art. Jorge’s voice actor is Hungarian though americans would call him black off glance.
For the record i never said or even accused bungie of being racist more so as following a trope that the black guy has to die at some point even if it is an incredibly stupid reason.
> It wasn’t sad at all, just a pointless death. I seriously threw my controller and shouted What the F*** when it happened because it was so stupid.
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> The black guy had to get killed right before the game ended like really? By 343 of all things? that was extremely poor. None of the deaths in halo 3 made any sense.
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> Miranda’s character just went downhill in halo 3; she went from being a decent commander to a wanna be badass miley cyrus in halo 3. Did she really think she could kill a brute with a shotgun and a pistol like that? really? I was Glad when she died so i wouldn’t have to deal with her nonsense but other than that it was stupid as she shouldn’t have been there in the first place.
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We thinking of the same halo 2 miranda? She tried to take on the arbiter dual-wielding pistols like some gangester. It was even the horrible halo 2 pistols of all things. She also went in on foot into the library in a place crawling with flood. Because of her stupid actions the In Amber Clad got captured by the flood despite the fact it just had to hover high enough for infected people not to get in it. This was all ater she chased a covenant ship through slipspace that luckily decided to ignore her. She’s always been wana be badass.
Can’t really comment on the pistol statement other than saying he was at close range in which could have been the reason for it.
I clearly remember some of the marines shouting “It’s not covenant i repeat not covenant”. They wouldn’t have known about the flood until they got on the ground. She probably wanted to go and get the index herself which isn’t a bad thought since she would have had a team with her and nothing stupid happened.
You are acting like they knew right off the bat the flood was roaming around the place when that doesn’t seem to be the cause. The ship seemed to go straight for the library which is generally the safest place.
The ship was hovering -_- the Gravemind probably teleported himself unto it or his spawn.
She had to get close enough to the ship to follow it through slipspace because she was the only ship in the close enough and so the field wouldn’t drag her along. This was brough up in GoO where some of the surrounding ships got pulled into the radius of the field and Fleetcom lost contact with 2 of them (if i remember right) the other ships too weeks to get out of slipspace and when they got out it was a hell hole. Brute and elite ships were engaging each other along with the flood.
Nothing she did in halo two seem dramatic to me, everything she did i could see a human doing and most of her actions i supported. But going in like rambo in halo 3 has stupid.
So you’d just let Truth fire the halos then? It was an act of desperation. Chief only got there in time because she stalled.
Also, the flood was fighting both the sentinels and flood all over the area surrounding the library. The flood outbreak happaned hundreds of years before the event of halo 2.
The gravemind doesnt seem to be able to teleport itself or its minions. Otherwise it could have merely ‘beamed’ itself onto high charity (it could beam chief onboard). Instead it depended on crashing In Amber Clad into a seemingly useless part of high charity and relying on dropshops.
> <mark>So you’d just let Truth fire the halos then? It was an act of desperation.</mark> Chief only got there in time because she stalled.
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Couldn’t she have gotten a squad or two of ODST’s with her first?
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> Couldn’t she have gotten a squad or two of ODST’s with her first?
Pretty much my point, i don’t see any other commander doing that not to mention the pelican should have been fine after running through the glass. meaning she could have just ran over truth or just shot at him through the glass in the first place.
You are assuming that they know any of this as i said before the ship went straight to the library and skipped over the battle.
There is no logical reason to say he can’t teleport the flood when he teleported chief and the arbiter not to mention there wouldn’t be any other way for him to get on Amber clad. It is rather obvious he used the two as distractions so he could get his forces ready to board high charity. In which he crashes Amber clad (probably so he could get out) and then uses the dropships to spread flood around the city.
Everyone in the Keyes family was very hands-on. They both accompanied their soldiers time to time. Miranda was given the In Amber Clad after she saved two UNSC ships that were supposed to rescue her unarmed science vessel. She rammed it into a Covenant ship.
Miranda didn’t use pistols against the Arbiter. She had dual SMGs, which even the chief loved to use against elites. When the arbiter surprised them, he took out Johnson while Miranda managed to take his shields down. The arbiter jumped in front of her though and slammed her weapons away. She would have had more escort than just Johnson if her marines hadn’t died.
The In Amber Clad never landed. It was hovering over when she got on her gondola. The flood were using vehicles during the couple missions, and in Halo 3 you see Flood coming out of these organic pods from orbit. The Gravemind, using 2401 Penitent Tangent, had the ability to teleport anyone and maybe himself around the ring. They must have boarded the ship one way or another. Miranda took a squad to the library just like Jacob took a squad to the “Covenant weapons stache” that turned out to be a Flood facility in the first game.
If it weren’t for her in Halo 2, no one would of stopped the second ring from eventually firing or find out about the ark, its location, and its function.
In Halo 3, I dind’t like how she was in Crow’s Nest. She just had a badly written line there. Everything else she did was alright though.
She commanded the assault on the control room of the Ark. When chief told her they didn’t have much time, she crashed her pelican into the control room. She landed as fast as she could, because her plan was to get Johnson out of there. Without them, Truth wouldn’t have been able to start up the Ark. Her shotgun was very much capable of killing a brute pointblank, as was her pistol at range. They were unarmed, and were backing off from her. Sadly, she was caught up with the cold and calculated decision to kill Johnson and herself, so Truth managed to kill her. It was with her help and the flood’s, that the arbiter and chief were able to put a stop to Truth’s plans.
Yes, she and Keyes were reckless and made desperate decisions. On the other hand, they helped win the war in times where we wouldn’t have otherwise.
The pelican crash was dramatic even moreso when she could have just shot truth through the window. Um, a single shotgun shot wouldn’t kill a brute at all. Maybe a 3 month old baby but not a full Grown adult not to a pistol of all things. You say “they were unarmed” as if that means anything, may i remind you that an unarmed brute nearly killed john? Truth himself said Tarturus could probably rip a hunter in half.
The brutes were only backing off because they didn’t know what she was going to do and because truth did not command them. Miranda wouldn’t have been able to blink before they rushed her and smacked her head off.
Yeah, you know she could have just shot truth instead of pulling a life time moment.
Her priority was Johnson, since he was about to place his hand on the panel that would fire the rings. She wanted to land and get him out. Johnson was also right in front of Truth, shooting with the pelican would have gotten them both. The brutes proved too many for her to just run off with Johnson, so she had to make a decision to shoot him and herself.
Yeah, a brute would rip someone apart if there was no shotgun in their face. One shot stuns them and rips their armor off, and another finishes them.
Again, she was going to shoot Johnson because a human is needed to fire the rings. Listen to their dialogue in that cinematic. Shooting Truth would not have stopped the Covenant from starting the Halos.
Dramatic moments and decisions are important parts of a story, especially in one where all life in the galaxy could be wiped out in the next few seconds.
> My attempt to be a johnson fanboy completely died when Bungie randomly killed him off for reason i say is him being black because there was no other reason for it.
Wow, are you serious right now?
People dying in a story create emotion, especially a fan favorite character. Just because he’s black doesn’t mean anything.
Miranda is a woman and she died, so this must mean Bungie is sexist.
Don’t forget Jacob dying in Combat Evolved. What’s that mean?
A few aliens died through the course of the Halo games too.
And I don’t even want to know your thoughts on Cortana.
In the limited Edition Halo 3 bonus disk, Bungie said that they did not intend on killing Johnson, but after they wrote the story they decided that somebody had to die, because there was no emotion in the story. Can you honestly tell me that Halo 3 would have been better if Johnson took the Warthog run with you?
You have got to be kidding me.
> > My attempt to be a johnson fanboy completely died when Bungie randomly killed him off for reason i say is him being black because there was no other reason for it.
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> People dying in a story create emotion, especially a fan favorite character. Just because he’s black doesn’t mean anything.
> Miranda is a woman and she died, so this must mean Bungie is sexist.
> Don’t forget Jacob dying in Combat Evolved. What’s that mean?
> A few aliens died through the course of the Halo games too.
> And I don’t even want to know your thoughts on Cortana.
> In the limited Edition Halo 3 bonus disk, Bungie said that they did not intend on killing Johnson, but after they wrote the story they decided that somebody had to die, because there was no emotion in the story. Can you honestly tell me that Halo 3 would have been better if Johnson took the Warthog run with you?
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> You have got to be kidding me.
See this is where people see one thing and then run off with it as if it was the only point.
Johnson survived the entire war this main fought Tartarus twice, survived dozens of tours,Reach, the flood, everything. All of this to be kill by a monitor with his back turned and the very last moment? What the hell. I understand that not every single death is heroic or meaningful but seeing as this is a video game they could have made it so. I am more sore about the way he died and who killed him rather than his death-as i said i really don’t care for him personally. But of all things to have him killed by 343? that’s sore, If he wanted to stay on the ring for whatever reason sure i could have bought that.
Hell, They could have all be in the warthog which gets flipped over by a combat form sending the vehicle on top of him just before the jump.that would have been fine but they seriously had to kill him in the back by 343? nothing better for somebody the community apparently loves so much?
Bah.
By the way, you might want to read a thread and try to understand something before posting about it.
It wasn’t the very last moment when Johnson died. You’re sore because it was 343 who killed him, when the chief wasn’t looking.
Just don’t underestimate 343. He went through many lengths to stop your in Halo CE. He’s a capable enemy, not a useless lightbulb.
If there were a few things I wish changed in Halo 3, they are:
Miranda’s line in Crow’s Nest.
The Gravemind just showing his tentacles then anti-climatically pulling them back.
A better done control room of Halo scene. (Where the gravemind could of chased you around with his tentacles or do something frightening to the player)