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I’m a SWAT Player. When I say that, I mean, that is all I play minus the occasional BTB or Team Snipers game. A large part of the swat community are all congregated on a Facebook Page called “Halo Swat Community”, Halo SWAT Community . Based off of mine, and hundreds of other core Swat Players who want to see the community grow and get better have talked about positive ways to fix the playlist. Here are the top subjects:
1)BR only loadout. The DMR and BR differences are too great and the BR is the original SWAT weapon.
2)Descope. Taking descope out made this game easy for people who are not good. Making something hard makes people better. Making it easy isn’t the answer.
3)Maps. Maps need to be smaller and made for more competitive play.
4)Give us some grenades! That cuts down on the Reachtards who got used to chilling with DMR’s in a corner.
5)RANKS. This is wanted in all playlists. CSR was a good try, but just because you can score a lot of points doesn’t mean you are good. Halo is about teamwork, not individual score.
6)Join in Progress. No one likes this. Nothing like getting thrown into a game against a team of four and getting man handled. Halo 3’s search engine was perfect. hint hint
7)Map Voting. 2 Choices: 1 Slayer Type and 1 Obj type, both on the SAME Map, with a none of the above option. No backing out of lobbies.
8)We want to compete. We want to get on the game, and know that we are about to have to play hard or lose our ranks.
In conclusion, 343i, Halo 4 was good. There are some things that need work, but in all, it was a good game. These are just some ideas from a community as a whole that I think could revamp the playlist, and make it super fun to play. I’m a die hard Halo fan and will always play the newer game, but I find myself playing H3 Swat now since the “free for gold” because it has a way of always bringing you back like that first love. Thanks for taking a look, and thanks for Halo!
I agree that grenades should be a part of swat, but why take out the dmr? I disagree with this. I like having both the dmr and BR available, adds more variety and well some prefer one and others the other you can’t undercut certain people. Infact why not add the carbine as well?
I like having the choice of weapon. Contrary to popular belief, the DMR is the superior weapon in SWAT because of its precision, which gives an advantage over BR users. You should only choose BR if you’re not very good at aiming, since you essentially get three tries with every shot. If there were to be only one preset loadout, it should include the DMR.
IMO, grenade spam + SWAT = no fun.
Objective SWAT sounds cool. I’d try that.
Descope, non-CSR ranks, no JiP, no backing out of lobbies, and a “none of the above” option have been asked for in every part of the game; not just SWAT. Those features will not be added/changed, so your best bet is to wait until Halo 5.
I once asked for grenades in SWAT, but have reconsidered that position. I think no on the grenades . . . unless they were map pickups only. Spawning with grenades in SWAT = grenade fest.
Objectives might work to an extent, but there would need to be changes to the maps or movement speed (so, Lightning Flag) else no one would ever score or the victories would be runaway victories. Spawn trapping with static spawning would be way too easy in SWAT (hell, you can already do it even with dynamic spawning on most of the maps).
I don’t see what eliminating the DMR gets you. I don’t really care that the BR is the “traditional” weapon . . . the DMR is the more logical choice if you’re going to restrict the loadouts. And descope a big deal in SWAT? Most scoped engagements end with a single trigger pull, except maybe on a ginormous map like Complex.
Grenades in Swat is a terrible terrible idea. It should never be done except for a specialized Swat gametype. Not Core. If you’re not good enough to shoot that camper then you shouldn’t get an easy way out with grenades. Just like you say in your second point, making it easy isn’t the answer. Besides, this is one-shot-kills, so campers aren’t as big of a problem.
I don’t mind having BR and DMR starts. It would be nice for BR Swat and DMR Swat though. There’s no big reason to take out the DMR though IMO.
I agree with smaller maps. It would be nice to have a mixture of medium and small.
Ranks wont happen in this game as well as a new voting system. But for Halo 5 I think going back to Halo 3’s voting system would be nice.
eh. Honestly right now I think Swat is fine. It’s one of those playlists I think they didn’t mess up.
SWAT takes skill and teamwork? Disagree. I understand the most of your points but 343 removed the whole competitivnes out of halo so we can just hope that the next halo will be more for the core players again. There where objective gametypes in halo 3s SWAT and that workes well, but I think a lot of players would disagree (look at BTB)
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> 1. I think grenades in Swat is a horrible idea. Grenades have never been in Swat before, so why implement them now?
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> 2. The DMR was in Reach’s Swat, so why take it out of Halo 4’s Swat?
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> 3. Not everyone likes the idea of stressing out to keep their CSR because they always get matched up against try hards.
You dont even deserve a CSR 1 when you think like that. If the enemys beat you, get better or lose your CSR like you deserve. I want to earn money and fame but I dont wanna work hard for it -.-
> > 1. I think grenades in Swat is a horrible idea. Grenades have never been in Swat before, so why implement them now?
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> > 2. The DMR was in Reach’s Swat, so why take it out of Halo 4’s Swat?
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> > 3. Not everyone likes the idea of stressing out to keep their CSR because they always get matched up against try hards.
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> You dont even deserve a CSR 1 when you think like that. If the enemys beat you, get better or lose your CSR like you deserve. I want to earn money and fame but I dont wanna work hard for it -.-
I think he was saying that some people play SWAT casually, not caring about ranks or win/lose that much. There’s nothing wrong with that–there are plenty of games that I play casually, but Halo isn’t one of them.
Really, the problem is that Halo 4 tends to match higher CSR players (players who care about rank) with lower CSR players (players who don’t care about rank), and the result is that both of their experiences are ruined. If Halo 4 could match players with other players of like CSR, we wouldn’t have this problem.
> > > <mark>1)BR only loadout. The DMR and BR differences are too great and the BR is the original SWAT weapon.</mark>
> > > <mark>4)Give us some grenades! That cuts down on the Reachtards who got used to chilling with DMR’s in a corner.</mark>
> > > <mark>8)We want to compete. We want to get on the game, and know that we are about to have to play hard or lose our ranks.</mark>
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> > 1. I think grenades in Swat is a horrible idea. Grenades have never been in Swat before, so why implement them now?
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> > 2. The DMR was in Reach’s Swat, so why take it out of Halo 4’s Swat?
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> > 3. Not everyone likes the idea of stressing out to keep their CSR because they always get matched up against try hards.
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> You dont even deserve a CSR 1 when you think like that. If the enemys beat you, get better or lose your CSR like you deserve. I want to earn money and fame but I dont wanna work hard for it -.-
Take it easy man. My point is that not everyone wants to play MLG try hards every other game. It’s ok to play competitively every once in a while, but too much competition gets annoying. For the future, please try to comprehend what people are saying before you get smart with them.
> > > > <mark>1)BR only loadout. The DMR and BR differences are too great and the BR is the original SWAT weapon.</mark>
> > > > <mark>4)Give us some grenades! That cuts down on the Reachtards who got used to chilling with DMR’s in a corner.</mark>
> > > > <mark>8)We want to compete. We want to get on the game, and know that we are about to have to play hard or lose our ranks.</mark>
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> > > 1. I think grenades in Swat is a horrible idea. Grenades have never been in Swat before, so why implement them now?
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> > > 2. The DMR was in Reach’s Swat, so why take it out of Halo 4’s Swat?
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> > > 3. Not everyone likes the idea of stressing out to keep their CSR because they always get matched up against try hards.
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> > You dont even deserve a CSR 1 when you think like that. If the enemys beat you, get better or lose your CSR like you deserve. I want to earn money and fame but I dont wanna work hard for it -.-
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> Take it easy man. My point is that not everyone wants to play MLG try hards every other game. It’s ok to play competitively every once in a while, but too much competition gets annoying. For the future, please try to comprehend what people are saying before you get smart with them.
People are not MLG tryhards because they are better than you, its such a shame whats going on in Halo 4. people are backing out to hold their k/ds and play against worse people. ( csr doesnt show a bit of skill btw) The result is that nobodys happy. Halo used to be fun because of its competetivnes and other people still could have fun with social playlist. And by the way you said TO KEEP their CSR. Thats where I startet. If you wanna enjoy the game dont care about csr.
> > > > > <mark>1)BR only loadout. The DMR and BR differences are too great and the BR is the original SWAT weapon.</mark>
> > > > > <mark>4)Give us some grenades! That cuts down on the Reachtards who got used to chilling with DMR’s in a corner.</mark>
> > > > > <mark>8)We want to compete. We want to get on the game, and know that we are about to have to play hard or lose our ranks.</mark>
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> > > > 1. I think grenades in Swat is a horrible idea. Grenades have never been in Swat before, so why implement them now?
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> > > > 2. The DMR was in Reach’s Swat, so why take it out of Halo 4’s Swat?
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> > > > 3. Not everyone likes the idea of stressing out to keep their CSR because they always get matched up against try hards.
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> > > You dont even deserve a CSR 1 when you think like that. If the enemys beat you, get better or lose your CSR like you deserve. I want to earn money and fame but I dont wanna work hard for it -.-
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> > Take it easy man. My point is that not everyone wants to play MLG try hards every other game. It’s ok to play competitively every once in a while, but too much competition gets annoying. For the future, please try to comprehend what people are saying before you get smart with them.
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> <mark>People are not MLG tryhards because they are better than you</mark>, its such a shame whats going on in Halo 4. people are backing out to hold their k/ds and play against worse people. ( csr doesnt show a bit of skill btw) The result is that nobodys happy. Halo used to be fun because of its competetivnes and other people still could have fun with social playlist. And by the way you said TO KEEP their CSR. Thats where I startet. <mark>If you wanna enjoy the game dont care about csr</mark>.
Lets get something straight, I never said I had an issue with try hards. In fact, I’m the guy that most people back out on. I also have no problem playing and beating other CSR 50’s. Anyways, I was speaking in general earlier. But thanks for taking what I said out of context Also, not caring about your CSR is not a solution to enjoying this game. For example, you may be a CSR 50 but play with randoms.You might play a team of CSR 50’s and get your -Yoink- kicked and lose your 50. Does that sound fair? That’s my point. Who wants to stress out about what team they’re going up against.
So you didnt talk about your opinion you talked about someones opinion you dont have problems with MLG tryhards but someone does? Why am I even talking with you? Dont take every word I say exacly how I said it, english is not my first language as you may already saw. What I say is that the OP is right about the competitive and back out part, core gameplay is what halo made great and it has to return. And yes it is fair, when I search alone in a team based playlist I may have to take a los. Speaking in general, lol its the almost every people I played with left Halo 4 because of the core gameplay that doesnt exist anymore and they where casuals up to really skilled people.
But hey btt.
That people still can back out in the lobby is one of the worst things in halo 4. 343 could fix it in seconds like in the global champions ship.
> So you didnt talk about your opinion you talked about someones opinion you dont have problems with MLG tryhards but someone does? <mark>Why am I even talking with you?</mark>Dont take every word I say exacly how I said it, english is not my first language as you may already saw. What I say is that the OP is right about the competitive and back out part, core gameplay is what halo made great and it has to return. And yes it is fair, when I search alone in a team based playlist I may have to take a los. Speaking in general, lol its the almost every people I played with left Halo 4 because of the core gameplay that doesnt exist anymore and they where casuals up to really skilled people.
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> But hey btt.
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> That people still can back out in the lobby is one of the worst things in halo 4. 343 could fix it in seconds like in the global champions ship.
Don’t get irritated dude. No need to say “why am I even talking with you”.
> > I’ve got the Keys to a better SWAT playlist. The Captain Keyes.
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> I don’t think this pun got enough attention!
The worst kind of bump…
1)BR-only: BR SWAT and DMR SWAT would be a good addition, no need to remove DMR, but identicals starts are always appreciated.
2)Descope: As said further up, I would like descope in general, but SWAT is the playlist where flinch vs descope makes by far the least difference, if you’ve been shot you’re probably already dead. I don’t think I’ve ever (or would ever with descope) shot at someone thinking “If I land this shot maybe I can throw off his aim”.
3)Small Maps: Always appreciated.
4)Grenades: Would rather not.
5)Ranks: Not SWAT specific.
6)Join in Progress: Not SWAT specific so not comment but I’m very pro JIP.
7)Map Voting: Not SWAT specific - would prefer H3 method. Give us less choice = more map variety.
Also, not caring about your CSR is not a solution to enjoying this game. For example, you may be a CSR 50 but play with randoms.You might play a team of CSR 50’s and get your -Yoink- kicked and lose your 50. Does that sound fair? That’s my point. Who wants to stress out about what team they’re going up against.
you dont have problems with MLG tryhards but someone does? Why am I even talking with you? Dont take every word I say exacly how I said it, english is not my first language as you may already saw. What I say is that the OP is right about the competitive and back out part, core gameplay is what halo made great and it has to return. And yes it is fair, when I search alone in a team based playlist I may have to take a los. Speaking in general, lol its the almost every people I played with left Halo 4 because of the core gameplay that doesnt exist anymore and they where casuals up to really skilled people.