Everybody says that KDA does not matter. Why is that? I believe that your KDA shows your skill level, intelligence, and accuracy among other players. But every time somebody talks down on me, they never mention their KDA. Which is most of the time negative might I add. And then I challenge them to a 1v1 of their choice and I destroy said player and I get reported to the XBOX Live enforcement team for putting a player in their place. I am not saying that I am a pro at halo, but I do consider my KDA a show of my skill. What do you guys/girls think? does KDA matter? Why or why not?
KDA shows how good you are with a team while K/D shows individual performance maybe? I mean both are affected by your teammates in some degree, but your KDA moreso. Since Halo is generally a team based game, I would say that KDA is more important.
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> Everybody says that KDA does not matter. Why is that?
There are a variety of reasons. I’ll list a few
- It’s easily manipulated. Playing firefight will bump it to insane levels, the use of sock accounts to manipulate matchmaking conditions, going for kills in objective gametypes as method of padding. - Having a high KD/KDA doesn’t mean you’re good in and of itself. It’s just a statistic and isn’t as important as say W/L which can also be manipulated to a degree. - It doesn’t tell me anything about how someone plays. I’d rather have someone on my team who knows how to run a flag or is willing to dive in front of rocket to save a flag carrier than someone who just wants to sit back and rack up the kills. - It doesn’t tell me anything about how well they’ll work together as a team.
> I believe that your KDA shows your skill level,
No, not really. It doesn’t really tell me anything about your skill level. You can see bronze players with 3.0 or 4.0 KDAs.
> intelligence
Yeah…no. There isn’t anything about Halo that allows you to determine someone’s intelligence.
> , and accuracy among other players.
I think the accuracy stats would be better for that.
> But every time somebody talks down on me, they never mention their KDA. Which is most of the time negative might I add.
Probably because it isn’t relevant?
> And then I challenge them to a 1v1 of their choice and I destroy said player
Do people actually do that? It seems kind of silly. We have a disagreement. I’ll prove I’m right because I can beat them in game. Actually discussing things seems like a better solution.
> and I get reported to the XBOX Live enforcement team for putting a player in their place.
It seems you’re making an assumption here.
> I am not saying that I am a pro at halo, but I do consider my KDA a show of my skill. What do you guys/girls think? does KDA matter? Why or why not?
Honestly, it’s kind of meaningless.
It doesnt matter much cause btb scrubs get high kdas but in reality a lot are garbage mine is 6.2 and i play onyx to champ arena.
as comedy said, all of those stats can be manipulated. Also, being good (or bad) at 1 v 1 does not reflect your overall skill. I personally struggle in 1 v 1 match ups, but do above average in team games due to map/weapon knowledge, communication, etc.
To me, a really high Arena K/D or K/D/A suggests that you are generally playing against opponents under your skill level.
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> To me, a really high Arena K/D or K/D/A suggests that you are generally playing against opponents under your skill level.
You’re absolutely right. I have a 11.3 kda with a 3.12 actual kd. I’m guessing that’s bc I play against opponents under my skill level. Why is that you ask? Well that’s because EVERYONE is below my skill level lol. All joke aside, I do believe a high kda or kd shows skill level. If you don’t have skill, you’re more than likely not going to have a high kda or kd. That doesn’t mean a person with a low kda and kd is not as good as well though.
If there were separate KDA/KD stats for Ranked and Social games, maybe you could better deduce someone’s skill based on it as an overall Ranked KDA/KD would likely have more weight to it in the community. But still, as mentioned, even that wouldn’t be immune to manipulation. So you can only really judge how good someone is by how they play.
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> If there were separate KDA/KD stats for Ranked and Social games, maybe you could better deduce someone’s skill based on it as an overall Ranked KDA/KD would likely have more weight to it in the community. But still, as mentioned, even that wouldn’t be immune to manipulation. So you can only really judge how good someone is by how they play.
Nothing is immune to manipulation in multiplayer. A stat is a stat and can always be tampered with rendering all stats pointless.
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> > To me, a really high Arena K/D or K/D/A suggests that you are generally playing against opponents under your skill level.
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> You’re absolutely right. I have a 11.3 kda with a 3.12 actual kd. I’m guessing that’s bc I play against opponents under my skill level. Why is that you ask? Well that’s because EVERYONE is below my skill level lol. All joke aside, I do believe a high kda or kd shows skill level. If you don’t have skill, you’re more than likely not going to have a high kda or kd. That doesn’t mean a person with a low kda and kd is not as good as well though.
No, I think that’s because you tend to stick to social game modes. Which is fine; social games are the most fun for me. However it’s a known fact that the matchmaking strictness is less in social modes, meaning you can match against people whose gap in skill is greater than you would match with in ranked play. That means if you are above average in skill, most of the people you’ll match against in social games are lower skilled than you. That’s just statistics.
I’ve always been a proponent of separating social stats from ranked stats, because global K/D is the first and most prominent stat people see when they look up other players, but since it includes social play in Halo 5, it’s not an accurate representation of skill. It just means you may have played alot of WZFF or Action Sack and you are good at killing in those modes. Which isn’t bad; it’s just not a representation of the modern definition of “skillful” play.
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> Everybody says that KDA does not matter. Why is that? I believe that your KDA shows your skill level, intelligence, and accuracy among other players. But every time somebody talks down on me, they never mention their KDA. Which is most of the time negative might I add. And then I challenge them to a 1v1 of their choice and I destroy said player and I get reported to the XBOX Live enforcement team for putting a player in their place. I am not saying that I am a pro at halo, but I do consider my KDA a show of my skill. What do you guys/girls think? does KDA matter? Why or why not?
It’s all relative to what they are playing. If someone is a Champion Slayer with a 1.04 K/D it means he is barely positive against the best of the best in that gametype which is quite an accomplishment. If someone plows WZ without pursuing objective and only compiling K/D they could get a 3.45 K/D or higher and say they have a Platinum 3 as their highest medal. If those two guys faced each other it is extremely likely that 1.04 K/D Champion just epically dominates the 3.45 K/D WZ player.
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> > > To me, a really high Arena K/D or K/D/A suggests that you are generally playing against opponents under your skill level.
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> > You’re absolutely right. I have a 11.3 kda with a 3.12 actual kd. I’m guessing that’s bc I play against opponents under my skill level. Why is that you ask? Well that’s because EVERYONE is below my skill level lol. All joke aside, I do believe a high kda or kd shows skill level. If you don’t have skill, you’re more than likely not going to have a high kda or kd. That doesn’t mean a person with a low kda and kd is not as good as well though.
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> No, I think that’s because you tend to stick to social game modes. Which is fine; social games are the most fun for me. However it’s a known fact that the matchmaking strictness is less in social modes, meaning you can match against people whose gap in skill is greater than you would match with in ranked play. That means if you are above average in skill, most of the people you’ll match against in social games are lower skilled than you. That’s just statistics.
> I’ve always been a proponent of separating social stats from ranked stats, because global K/D is the first and most prominent stat people see when they look up other players, but since it includes social play in Halo 5, it’s not an accurate representation of skill. It just means you may have played alot of WZFF or Action Sack and you are good at killing in those modes. Which isn’t bad; it’s just not a representation of the modern definition of “skillful” play.
I do agree with that statement. However, my point is, more than likely a person with a higher kda/kd is more likely to have more skill than a person with a low kda/kd. Just in a generalized statement. That does not mean that a person with a lower one can not be just as good or better. Stats are just numbers. It’s all in how you play.
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> > > > To me, a really high Arena K/D or K/D/A suggests that you are generally playing against opponents under your skill level.
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> > > You’re absolutely right. I have a 11.3 kda with a 3.12 actual kd. I’m guessing that’s bc I play against opponents under my skill level. Why is that you ask? Well that’s because EVERYONE is below my skill level lol. All joke aside, I do believe a high kda or kd shows skill level. If you don’t have skill, you’re more than likely not going to have a high kda or kd. That doesn’t mean a person with a low kda and kd is not as good as well though.
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> > No, I think that’s because you tend to stick to social game modes. Which is fine; social games are the most fun for me. However it’s a known fact that the matchmaking strictness is less in social modes, meaning you can match against people whose gap in skill is greater than you would match with in ranked play. That means if you are above average in skill, most of the people you’ll match against in social games are lower skilled than you. That’s just statistics.
> > I’ve always been a proponent of separating social stats from ranked stats, because global K/D is the first and most prominent stat people see when they look up other players, but since it includes social play in Halo 5, it’s not an accurate representation of skill. It just means you may have played alot of WZFF or Action Sack and you are good at killing in those modes. Which isn’t bad; it’s just not a representation of the modern definition of “skillful” play.
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> I do agree with that statement. However, my point is, more than likely a person with a higher kda/kd is more likely to have more skill than a person with a low kda/kd within the same mutliplayer type. Just in a generalized statement. That does not mean that a person with a lower one can not be just as good or better. Stats are just numbers. It’s all in how you play.
Heck to further the point a friend of mine finished with a Champion rank in FFA with a negative K/D. When you investigated he simply had a knack for finding more encounters. He could win a match 25K 28D and second place had a 23K 12D. So he somehow figured out how to find 18 more encounters than 2nd place. FFA doesn’t award the spread they simply award the 1st dude to 25. Sure that is only one example in one gametype but hopefully you get my point.
So in conclusion it is hard to find two players that play the exact gametypes all the time and have the exact medal rank. Even after all of that teammates effectiveness in team games also plays a roll.
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> > To me, a really high Arena K/D or K/D/A suggests that you are generally playing against opponents under your skill level.
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> You’re absolutely right. I have a 11.3 kda with a 3.12 actual kd. I’m guessing that’s bc I play against opponents under my skill level. Why is that you ask? Well that’s because EVERYONE is below my skill level lol. All joke aside, I do believe a high kda or kd shows skill level. If you don’t have skill, you’re more than likely not going to have a high kda or kd. That doesn’t mean a person with a low kda and kd is not as good as well though.
Just to prove a point even your role in a certain gametype means something and how the game is played means something…
Example: Mr Vacha has an impressive 145.5 Days of WZ play.
He has an insane amount of games with 13,344 with a 4.177 K/D
348 of those games are Traditional WZ - which represents 2.6% of your WZ play
197 of those games are WZ Assault - or 1.4% of your WZ play
12,799 of those games are WZ Firefight - 96% of all WZ play. So essentially 96% of these opponents “below your skill level” aren’t even human beings.
I am not saying PVE doesn’t take skill. There is a special coordination, timing, and knowing when to push. But AI has way more pattern prediction analysis than PVP.
You also have never ranked in Arena. Not a single gametype in 2 years. Sure on the surface you have a 3.126 K/D Arena career… but never ranked. Which means the system doesn’t know how to place your MMR so you get some lowbies for sure to feed off of each season. So my advice to you is rank Champion in anything…or even Onyx then come back and tell us your K/D that season. Then you will realize why your 4.177 K/D in WZ could be equal to your 1.08 K/D as an Onyx in 150 games of Team Arena.
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> > > To me, a really high Arena K/D or K/D/A suggests that you are generally playing against opponents under your skill level.
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> > You’re absolutely right. I have a 11.3 kda with a 3.12 actual kd. I’m guessing that’s bc I play against opponents under my skill level. Why is that you ask? Well that’s because EVERYONE is below my skill level lol. All joke aside, I do believe a high kda or kd shows skill level. If you don’t have skill, you’re more than likely not going to have a high kda or kd. That doesn’t mean a person with a low kda and kd is not as good as well though.
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> Just to prove a point even your role in a certain gametype means something and how the game is played means something…
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> Example: Mr Vacha has an impressive 145.5 Days of WZ play.
> He has an insane amount of games with 13,344 with a 4.177 K/D
> 348 of those games are Traditional WZ - which represents 2.6% of your WZ play
> 197 of those games are WZ Assault - or 1.4% of your WZ play
> 12,799 of those games are WZ Firefight - 96% of all WZ play. So essentially 96% of these opponents “below your skill level” aren’t even human beings.
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> I am not saying PVE doesn’t take skill. There is a special coordination, timing, and knowing when to push. But AI has way more pattern prediction analysis than PVP.
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> You also have never ranked in Arena. Not a single gametype in 2 years. Sure on the surface you have a 3.126 K/D Arena career… but never ranked. Which means the system doesn’t know how to place your MMR so you get some lowbies for sure to feed off of each season. So my advice to you is rank Champion in anything…or even Onyx then come back and tell us your K/D that season. Then you will realize why your 4.177 K/D in WZ could be equal to your 1.08 K/D as an Onyx in 150 games of Team Arena.
arena iissntt abouut skill. hcs and hh3 throwback are the only 2 playlist where it iisnt sprint thrust beatdown/ar. my kda is a 7.3 but all i play is swat, btb, hcs, h3, and occasional WZ. WZ stats dont count toward arena stats FYI Most of the people complaining are platniums with 1.0 to negative ratio. ILL SAY AGAIN, WWZ STATS DONT COUNT WITH ARENA STATS, so 90 percent of the argument is invalid
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> > > > To me, a really high Arena K/D or K/D/A suggests that you are generally playing against opponents under your skill level.
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> > > You’re absolutely right. I have a 11.3 kda with a 3.12 actual kd. I’m guessing that’s bc I play against opponents under my skill level. Why is that you ask? Well that’s because EVERYONE is below my skill level lol. All joke aside, I do believe a high kda or kd shows skill level. If you don’t have skill, you’re more than likely not going to have a high kda or kd. That doesn’t mean a person with a low kda and kd is not as good as well though.
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> > Just to prove a point even your role in a certain gametype means something and how the game is played means something…
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> > Example: Mr Vacha has an impressive 145.5 Days of WZ play.
> > He has an insane amount of games with 13,344 with a 4.177 K/D
> > 348 of those games are Traditional WZ - which represents 2.6% of your WZ play
> > 197 of those games are WZ Assault - or 1.4% of your WZ play
> > 12,799 of those games are WZ Firefight - 96% of all WZ play. So essentially 96% of these opponents “below your skill level” aren’t even human beings.
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> > I am not saying PVE doesn’t take skill. There is a special coordination, timing, and knowing when to push. But AI has way more pattern prediction analysis than PVP.
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> > You also have never ranked in Arena. Not a single gametype in 2 years. Sure on the surface you have a 3.126 K/D Arena career… but never ranked. Which means the system doesn’t know how to place your MMR so you get some lowbies for sure to feed off of each season. So my advice to you is rank Champion in anything…or even Onyx then come back and tell us your K/D that season. Then you will realize why your 4.177 K/D in WZ could be equal to your 1.08 K/D as an Onyx in 150 games of Team Arena.
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> arena iissntt abouut skill. hcs and hh3 throwback are the only 2 playlist where it iisnt sprint thrust beatdown/ar. my kda is a 7.3 but all i play is swat, btb, hcs, h3, and occasional WZ. WZ stats dont count toward arena stats FYI
My post has his WZ K/D and his Arena K/D separately so I completely understood. My point is PVE doesn’t give a crap what your MMR is. If you never rank in Arena then it also has a hard time classifying your MMR in Rank or to a lesser degree Social. The MMR and Medal system eventually place you against equal or better competition. The matchmaking system has something to go off of at that point.
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> > > You’re absolutely right. I have a 11.3 kda with a 3.12 actual kd. I’m guessing that’s bc I play against opponents under my skill level. Why is that you ask? Well that’s because EVERYONE is below my skill level lol. All joke aside, I do believe a high kda or kd shows skill level. If you don’t have skill, you’re more than likely not going to have a high kda or kd. That doesn’t mean a person with a low kda and kd is not as good as well though.
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> > No, I think that’s because you tend to stick to social game modes. Which is fine; social games are the most fun for me. However it’s a known fact that the matchmaking strictness is less in social modes, meaning you can match against people whose gap in skill is greater than you would match with in ranked play. That means if you are above average in skill, most of the people you’ll match against in social games are lower skilled than you. That’s just statistics.
> > I’ve always been a proponent of separating social stats from ranked stats, because global K/D is the first and most prominent stat people see when they look up other players, but since it includes social play in Halo 5, it’s not an accurate representation of skill. It just means you may have played alot of WZFF or Action Sack and you are good at killing in those modes. Which isn’t bad; it’s just not a representation of the modern definition of “skillful” play.
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> I do agree with that statement. However, my point is, more than likely a person with a higher kda/kd is more likely to have more skill than a person with a low kda/kd. Just in a generalized statement. That does not mean that a person with a lower one can not be just as good or better. Stats are just numbers. It’s all in how you play.
I disagree. I don’t think that the global K/D or K/D/A provides enough context these days. A platinum-skilled player with a 4.0 K/D is not going to be as skilled as an Onyx player with a 1.0 K/D.
Yeah no. My KDA was above 8.0 at one point, and I have always been absolute garbage at anything PvP in Halo 5. comedyshermit said everything I was thinking.
And frankly, I think almost all of this stat tracking nonsense is kind of pointless. I don’t see the point of tracking anything outside of ranked. 343 needs to tone it down a bit, in my opinion
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> Yeah no. My KDA was above 8.0 at one point, and I have always been absolute garbage at anything PvP in Halo 5. comedyshermit said everything I was thinking.
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> And frankly, I think almost all of this stat tracking nonsense is kind of pointless. I don’t see the point of tracking anything outside of ranked. 343 needs to tone it down a bit, in my opinion
I think all FPS’s have K/D tracking so I don’t think it is going anywhere and it is fine. I don’t know maybe place more emphasis on KDA? It doesn’t solve the problem but at least reinforces a team shot message which is quite valuable in a ton of game types.