Let’s start a debate.
Is the wepon that killed Kat a prototype beam rifles or is the air assault helmet weak as hell in cannon?
Tbh, I though this debate would be pretty easy. I was wrong for sure, as I just did a complete 30 minutes of thinking and thinking. I would have to choose the air assault helmet because of how she is a S-III, and S-III are cheap suicide mission made Spartans. Now to more explaining to why I chose the air assault helmet. I’m not too sure if a regular needle rifle could headshot a ODST (which is the strongest section of marines, who are marines without Spartan like augmentations) but I’m guessing that a regular needle rifle COULD headshot a ODST. Also that in halo 3 you could get a headshot with the fully built beam rifle, assuming that players are Spartan S-II’s (which are stronger than S-III’s) it probably is the air assault helmet.
Then again, all of what I just said can be countered.
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> Tbh, I though this debate would be pretty easy. I was wrong for sure, as I just did a complete 30 minutes of thinking and thinking. I would have to choose the air assault helmet because of how she is a S-III, and S-III are cheap suicide mission made Spartans. Now to more explaining to why I chose the air assault helmet. I’m not too sure if a regular needle rifle could headshot a ODST (which is the strongest section of marines, who are marines without Spartan like augmentations) but I’m guessing that a regular needle rifle COULD headshot a ODST. Also that in halo 3 you could get a headshot with the fully built beam rifle, assuming that players are Spartan S-II’s (which are stronger than S-III’s) it probably is the air assault helmet.
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> Then again, all of what I just said can be countered.
She is a spartan 3 but in halo reach you are not using armor used by spartan 3’s it is prototype mjolnir armor and they have shields so normally it would stop the shot to her helmet but I don’t remeber technically what happened but I believe it’s was being so close to the glassing that brought down their shields. You can watch videos on it and it’ll explain it better but she was simply unlucky when she got shot, it could’ve happened to any of noble team while they were running to the elevators. Noble team and certain spartan 3’s were deemed to valuable to be wasted on most suicide missions and were given mjolnir armor that was usually used from previous Spartans.
Not trying to break your heart, but this question has actually already been answered.
When the glassing began, Noble Team was in close proximity to the plasma, and the radiation temporarily made all of their shield generators malfunction.
When Noble Team was running across the room, they were running unshielded, hence why one needle rifle shot was able to kill Kat.
But how exactly would it go through the metal of the helm?
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> But how exactly would it go through the metal of the helm?
Just like how plasma melts UNSC stuff. You can see that it doesn’t just penetrate the helmet, but it goes THROUGH it. Since there’s also no blood spilling, we can say that the Needle also acts as a kind of plasma weapon, that cauterizes the wound.
As for the OP’s question, the other comments, as well as many confirmations say that at the time of her death, their shields we’re offline due to the glassing, making it a easy headshot. Any Noble could have suffered the same fate… what I don’t understand… is HOW? I mean, they’re in a large room, they go to a elevator, they go down, suddenly, there’s a huge hole in the building, not to mention that the building… it’s like it it had disintegrated itself in less than a second. They’re in two distinct places I honestly can’t understand how.
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> Let’s start a debate.
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> Is the wepon that killed Kat a prototype beam rifles or is the air assault helmet weak as hell in cannon?
the needle rifle shot through her helmet because her shields were down do to the radiation bombarding it, all of their shields were down, the fact that no one else died was plot armor
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> > But how exactly would it go through the metal of the helm?
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> Just like how plasma melts UNSC stuff. You can see that it doesn’t just penetrate the helmet, but it goes THROUGH it. Since there’s also no blood spilling, we can say that the Needle also acts as a kind of plasma weapon, that cauterizes the wound.
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> As for the OP’s question, the other comments, as well as many confirmations say that at the time of her death, their shields we’re offline due to the glassing, making it a easy headshot. Any Noble could have suffered the same fate… what I don’t understand… is HOW? I mean, they’re in a large room, they go to a elevator, they go down, suddenly, there’s a huge hole in the building, not to mention that the building… it’s like it it had disintegrated itself in less than a second. They’re in two distinct places I honestly can’t understand how.
What I had meant was, that typically isn’t how those needles work. According to Halo Wikia: “The Type-31 Rifle fires unconventional, long and sharp projectiles similar to those of the Needler. The projectiles detonate several seconds after impacting on soft tissue. Like the Needler, if enough needles are fired into a target, a supercombine explosion occurs.” and due to similarities with The Needler, I’ll also quote “The Needler is one of the few Covenant weapons which isn’t based on reverse-engineered Forerunner technology. The Needler’s top plate has 14 holes which the needles protrude out of. When the trigger is pulled, the needle is fed from the top into the barrel and fired. The needles home into their target and impale it. Several seconds afterwards, the needles detonate. A single needle detonation does not cause significant damage, but if enough needles make it into the target at once, the needles will supercombine, synchronizing their explosions for massive damage.”
So, asking my question again, how did it possibly pass through Kat’s helmet? It makes no sense, because those rounds impale, and typically aren’t capable of passing through all the way through.?
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> > > But how exactly would it go through the metal of the helm?
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> > Just like how plasma melts UNSC stuff. You can see that it doesn’t just penetrate the helmet, but it goes THROUGH it. Since there’s also no blood spilling, we can say that the Needle also acts as a kind of plasma weapon, that cauterizes the wound.
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> > As for the OP’s question, the other comments, as well as many confirmations say that at the time of her death, their shields we’re offline due to the glassing, making it a easy headshot. Any Noble could have suffered the same fate… what I don’t understand… is HOW? I mean, they’re in a large room, they go to a elevator, they go down, suddenly, there’s a huge hole in the building, not to mention that the building… it’s like it it had disintegrated itself in less than a second. They’re in two distinct places I honestly can’t understand how.
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> What I had meant was, that typically isn’t how those needles work. According to Halo Wikia: “The Type-31 Rifle fires unconventional, long and sharp projectiles similar to those of the Needler. The projectiles detonate several seconds after impacting on soft tissue. Like the Needler, if enough needles are fired into a target, a supercombine explosion occurs.” and due to similarities with The Needler, I’ll also quote “The Needler is one of the few Covenant weapons which isn’t based on reverse-engineered Forerunner technology. The Needler’s top plate has 14 holes which the needles protrude out of. When the trigger is pulled, the needle is fed from the top into the barrel and fired. The needles home into their target and impale it. Several seconds afterwards, the needles detonate. A single needle detonation does not cause significant damage, but if enough needles make it into the target at once, the needles will supercombine, synchronizing their explosions for massive damage.”
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> So, asking my question again, how did it possibly pass through Kat’s helmet? It makes no sense, because those rounds impale, and typically aren’t capable of passing through all the way through.?
I have to agree that it is a good question with loop holes to all theories, but here’s mine. As we loyal Halo Theorists have concluded, It was a Needle Rifle that went all the way through, her shields were down, and of course, she’s wearing Mjolnir armor. Keeping all this in mine I have two key points that I think haven’t been brought up. The Sniper, and the type of Mjolnir armor.
My first major idea is that the sniper was a Zealot class. As we know, thanks to C. Halsey that they are small teams, fast nimble, deadly, and almost always Zealot class. Now these are not your typical Elites as certain times they have the equivalent of a General in the UNSC as they can command whole legions of the Covenant forces. Now is it too far fetched to say that they couldn’t perfect a shot that would kill our dear Kat, and even penetrate the armor? The definition of “Impale,” according to google, is to “pierce or transfix with a sharp instrument.” Pierce. Pierce means roughly the same thing, but once again google comes to my aid. it includes "go into or THROUGH." So, if we add this up… The Type-31 Rifle fires needles(or Blamite, if you get that joke) that can impale or pierce their targets body, effectively killing them. Also, thanks to Wikipedia, it says that the Needler/Needle Rifle has baffled scientists since there is no moving parts. And the reason it takes 3 headshots on most enemies from the Type-31 is possibly because of it’s chemicals, two for the shield and one for the head because it blows through the helmet and skull. They didn’t add the mechanic to MP or Firefight because that would take too much programming and data, easier to make the heads explode. But Bungie or 343i would never do that because that’s not what this legacy is about.
My second proposal is that Kat-B320 had weaker Mjolnir armor than John-S117. It says on the Halo Wikipedia that SIIIs used permutations, or variations, of the Mk. V Mjolnir power suits. Now, permutations is a very strong word in my argument because it signifies change. A good example is the Mk. V standard helmet, it was changed for the needs of Noble and thus marked the creation of Mk V**. Changes lead to many things that are good, such as changes in your home life, maybe you and your partner are “talking” more than usual and it starts to look up. Maybe a change in your meds helped you fight your depression. Change can be good; however, it can be just as much of a atrocity as it is a benefactor. My theory us that she is wearing some sort of modified armor, considering her tech abilities it wouldn’t surprise me that she maybe modified it herself, much like Jorge. This could potentially cause a weakness, similar to an achilles heel, to the armor helmet. If you need some sort of evidence, Kat has a CNM on her helmet and that is it, which is unachievable as a player.**
Pretty sure it was a Needle Rifle,
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> Pretty sure it was a Needle Rifle,
It was. We’re “discussing” how.
Which is already explained, so we’re not really debating anything.
The EMP blast took out Noble teams shields. That is why Kat got rekt by a single shot from a needle rifle
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> Let’s start a debate.
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> Is the wepon that killed Kat a prototype beam rifles or is the air assault helmet weak as hell in cannon?
Kat had her shields turned off and she got shot in the head by a needle rifle.
Radiation + No shields + MLG Covie sniper = dead -Yoink!- spartan lady
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> Radiation + No shields + MLG Covie sniper = dead -Yoink!- spartan lady
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