Karen Traviss books

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While I did enjoy reading thee three books by Traviss,it was new halo books, would I miss out, no! But I strongly feel she should never be allowed to write another halo book again!

The reason for this is she wrote “Mortal Dictata”, while an east read and not bad for Joe Blogs book reader, it was poor as a Halo novel. All the Halsey hate, wow she was so bad. Without Halsey there would be no Chief, no saving of humanity no Halo and no 343i!

Halsey made the Spartan II’s get over it, she was not on her own, most of ONI were involved, probably even Parangosky, but she gets away clean, why is she not “riddled with guilt” like everyone else? That could have been a better epilogue!

My main reason she should never be allowed to touch Halo again is the fact she wrote a book 492 pages long about a first person shooter game with no damn shooting in it!!!

“Wow” Naomi shoots a man with no name, while “badass” odst’s cry about letting her see her dad! Utter rubbish! Then later on Naomi kills two or three kig yar (birds or chickens as they are likened to). Then they all go home and have tea, and then cry a bit. Big manly ODST’s crying is a great reflection on the image loyal ODST fans have of them,

I dearly hope 343 read this and get the next halo novel to be related to the fps Halo is and not the emotional Twighlight crap Traviss put out!

Come on now, how many of these threads do we need per week?

All the karen traviss hate on this forum prevents me from reading the kilo five trilogy, lol.

Your not missing much Matey. It is needed as the Traviss books like the Gears books were just bad and no reflection on the game.

> Your not missing much Matey. It is needed as the Traviss books like the Gears books were just bad and no reflection on the game.

This is bad advice. Greg Bear’s trilogy has tons of reflection in Halo 4, and Kilo-5 has a good amount for Spartan Ops. You don’t understand the Didact’s motivations, or the backgrounds of the Librarian, the conflict with the Ancient Humans, the Flood, etc.

Even if K-5 has been controversial, I didn’t mind it, and the Forerunner Saga has been pretty much universally praised.

Could not have just posted this in one of the 3 other threads on this topic?

> My main reason she should never be allowed to touch Halo again is the fact she wrote a book 492 pages long about a first person shooter game with no damn shooting in it!!!

Then you’re a fan of the wrong series. Halo is about more than just shooting things, the Forerunner Saga has a grand total of about 3 or 4 battle scenes across all three books and yet it’s regarded by many as Halo’s magnum opus.

> “Wow” Naomi shoots a man with no name, while “badass” odst’s cry about letting her see her dad! Utter rubbish! Then later on Naomi kills two or three kig yar (birds or chickens as they are likened to). Then they all go home and have tea, and then cry a bit. Big manly ODST’s crying is a great reflection on the image loyal ODST fans have of them

Because having three-dimensional characters with the capacity for emotion is really bad, right? Men crying? What is this nonsense? How dare Karen not adhere to my sexist standards for how I think male characters should be portrayed as stoic, emotionless badasses who do nothing but shoot at things. Really riveting reading that is!

I HATED the Kilo-5 trilogy, yet loved the Forerunner saga.

Greg Bear is in my opinion a far better author than Karen Traviss.

I didn’t like the Kilo-5 Trilogy either, but it was purely about the Halsey hate, who is literally one of my favorite characters next to Cortana. Other than the entirely one argument bull crap for Halsey by pretty much everyone in the book, I think she fleshed out the characters fairly nicely. I’m sorry if you don’t like that, but I didn’t read the books for the action, I read them for the story.

By the by, I’m not sorry.

I do sorely miss Eric Nylund though. His were by far the most informative and interesting for me.

Cole Train don’t stop baby!

I think Karen Traviss should really get to making a cookbook, or a collection of fan fictions.

Plasma for the Soul.

The Kilo-5 books were a good read. They gave a good amount of info about what was going on before Requiem, how The Covenant Remnant came to be, what was going on on Sanghelios, and gave some characters I cared for.

The author was doing as 343 said to do…ascertaining to Halsey. She gave a different perspective on who she was and what she did. ONI needed a scape goat and Halsey fit the bill, also Margaret had some form of grudge on her. (I forget what for.) Is it right? Depends on your view. Either way the Kilo-5 books are a good time no alcohol required. (A few of you may or may not get that.)

Overall I think these are good books, though clearly they’re not for everyone (no action will be a turn off to some). My one gripe with the series is the Halsey hate. At first, in Glasslands, I let it be- as much as I loved Halsey I understood (except for when she was compared to Mengale and when Vaz actually wanted to kill her). In The Thursday War was better in this regard- the Halsey hate was tame in comparison to Glasslands. Then came Mortal Dictata- so much hate. Every other page. You dread the word Halsey since you know “that -Yoink-” will follow along with blaming her and her alone for things she did with other people. And I do understand why these specific characters would hate her, and we are in their heads- but go -Yoink!- it’s absolutely nerve racking. It’s as if Traviss paints all these characters around her owns stubborn, opinion. She tries so hard to make Halsey into a villain, for all she says about gray characters… That said, the books are very quotable (some truly great lines in there) and have a fun atmosphere. The story (which isn’t the most exciting, let’s face it) always deals with morality- which I find interesting- and who doesn’t love Engineers?!

So if you can enjoy nearly actionless character-driven books, and you aren’t a big Halsey fan- you should certainly read it.

Yes, there are a ton of threads dealing with this subject; however, they aren’t unnecessary. 343i needs to know that they’ve upset over half of the Halo fan base with KT’s novels, and that she shouldn’t come back to write any more Halo. She ruined Star Wars for many of its fans (I’m not a SW fan), and she doesn’t get much praise from Gears of War’s fanbase either.
Traviss was not just writing what 343 told her to, unless for some reason Lucasarts and Epic Games decided to trash their franchises at exactly the same time they hired Travis, and 343 is continuing that incredible coincidental killstreak.

Storywise, Traviss absolutely succeeded (except for Mortal Dictata); 343 has a place they want the Reclaimer saga to go, and Kilo-Five helped push the story leading up to Halo 4. This is all well and good.
Where Karen’s books fell flat on their face was characters and ideas. I’m fairly certain Frank O’Connor and his fellow 343 storytellers didn’t sit Karen down and tell her “we want every single character to hate Halsey with a flaming passion, to drag her name into every conversation whether or not it’s necessary, and make sure she’s always referred to as a b**ch or -Yoink!-. This is an essential part of our story, and you need to include it regardless of what other elements you ignore,”.

We’re obviously supposed to sympathize with the Kilo-Five team; however, I found myself disgusted with Naomi’s weakness (an emo-SPARTAN? Really?), frustrated by Osman’s complete denial about Parangosky and Halsey, and flat-out livid about Vaz. Livid about everything about Vaz, most particularly his self-righteousness, hypocrisy, and total ignorance of facts right under his nose. Personally, I suspect the reason he was so outraged about the S-II program is that he had a crush on Naomi and wasn’t thinking straight, in which case his version of “justice” should be ignored.

BB wound up being like Shaun Hastings from the Assassin’s Creed series; a character who’s smarter than everyone else and likes to shove that detail in everyone’s faces, isn’t nearly as funny and witty as he thinks he is, and is ultimately just annoying. Plus the way he irrationally hates Halsey. It isn’t even his own hatred, either- it’s residual memories from his donor, who also irrationally hated Halsey. Don’t even get me started on the “AI killer” routine.

The way Kilo-Five’s characters hate Halsey is somewhat understandable. Somewhat. They are being fed strongly anti-Halsey propaganda by their saintly boss, Margaret Parangosky, so their thinking will be affected accordingly. However, nobody in the group aside from Osman and Naomi were affected directly by the SPARTAN-II program. Oh, wait, they’re still alive. I guess Halsey’s work did affect them, ha-ha.
Plus, the SPARTAN-II program took place forty years before. Would Naomi and Serin still be traumatized after forty years of fighting a losing war against genocidal aliens? I don’t think so.

Basically, Kilo-Five is OK as a continuation of the Halo universe’s overall storyline, but it’s a lousy character-based storyline.
Traviss shouldn’t come back to Halo unless she rethinks her writing style.
Eric Nylund needs to return and give us another good Halo novel.

> 343i needs to know that they’ve upset over half of the Halo fan base with KT’s novels, and that she shouldn’t come back to write any more Halo.

That’s the thing, they do know many fans were upset about the books, that seems to be what they set out to do, drum up controversy intentionally.

> > 343i needs to know that they’ve upset over half of the Halo fan base with KT’s novels, and that she shouldn’t come back to write any more Halo.
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> That’s the thing, they do know many fans were upset about the books, that seems to be what they set out to do, drum up controversy intentionally.

I’m starting to think I prefer Bungie’s approach to storytelling.

> > > 343i needs to know that they’ve upset over half of the Halo fan base with KT’s novels, and that she shouldn’t come back to write any more Halo.
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> > That’s the thing, they do know many fans were upset about the books, that seems to be what they set out to do, drum up controversy intentionally.
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> I’m starting to think I prefer Bungie’s approach to storytelling.

Bungie may have been unoffensive, but that was mostly because they ignored their expanded universe.

> > > 343i needs to know that they’ve upset over half of the Halo fan base with KT’s novels, and that she shouldn’t come back to write any more Halo.
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> > That’s the thing, they do know many fans were upset about the books, that seems to be what they set out to do, drum up controversy intentionally.
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> I’m starting to think I prefer Bungie’s approach to storytelling.

Have a story that gets changed drastically mid-way through development with a plot which generally doesn’t materialise until about half way through the game along with flat, one-dimensional characters, semi-silent protagonists who can’t decide whether they’re just a vessel for the player or an actual character, no recognition of the extended universe and if it does come up then it comes handy with a couple of retcons to contrive something totally inconsequential to the narrative which is totally made out to be otherwise important.

I’ll take a different, even one-sided portrayal of a character over the H3/Reach era Bungie storytelling any day.

> > > 343i needs to know that they’ve upset over half of the Halo fan base with KT’s novels, and that she shouldn’t come back to write any more Halo.
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> > That’s the thing, they do know many fans were upset about the books, that seems to be what they set out to do, drum up controversy intentionally.
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> I’m starting to think I prefer Bungie’s approach to storytelling.

Let’s not forget that Bungie’s storytelling was far from perfect.

> > > 343i needs to know that they’ve upset over half of the Halo fan base with KT’s novels, and that she shouldn’t come back to write any more Halo.
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> > That’s the thing, they do know many fans were upset about the books, that seems to be what they set out to do, drum up controversy intentionally.
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> I’m starting to think I prefer Bungie’s approach to storytelling.

Pretty much all of Bungie’s storytelling was bland, stereotypical characters and a tendency to dig plenty of plot-holes (I’m looking at you, Halo 3) and ignore and overwrite established canon.

While 343’s storytelling hasn’t been entirely consistent in terms of quality, at least they’re acknowledging the existence of the expanded universe that’s been set up and taking the effort to develop characters instead of relying solely on stereotypes and tropes.

Wow… OK, let me rephrase myself. I enjoyed the Bungie-era novels more, not the Bungie game stories themselves. Authors like Eric Nylund and Joseph Staten contributed a great deal to the Halo universe, and they did it with well-rounded characters and good stories.

As a whole, 343 has done better at creating a cohesive universe, but they need to start picking better authors (although Greg Bear was excellent).