I’m not saying he isn’t allowed to get drunk and play video games. Just, if you can’t not make bad decisions while being drunk and playing video games, maybe you shouldn’t get drunk and play video games and then complain when you get banned for doing something that is a bannable offense.
I get not having a lot of time to game. I work a full-time job and have a side hustle. I’m a busy dude, but the OP CHOSE to do something you can, and clearly will, get banned for. That’s on him. Do i see his point about 343i creating a system that encouraged that bad decision making on his part YES! I totally see that point. However, just like if you get drunk, get on the road to drive and hit someone, don’t blame them for being in your way.
But WHY is that a bannable offense when it’s practically being encouraged by the challenge system and playlist system? I’m not drunk anymore obviously and my opinion is unchanged.
It was in the casual playlists. Not ranked. Why punish this in the casual playlist? You would be expected to goof around or otherwise behave unprofessionally outside of the ranked games.
So, yes, I agree with you, the system they designed does encourage that kind of play. it is a poorly designed system. Much of what we see outside of the matches themselves feels like they gave a 5 year old a crayon and let him make it up. I’m likely not being fair to many 5 year olds, but you get the point.
THAT BEING SAID. While you may feel that you jumping out of a match doesn’t affect your team mates, lemme tell ya bub, from a player that has had others do this, it affects me. I like to win. Whether I’m in casual or comp. We all do, and anyone that says otherwise is a liar and a fool. When you jump out, sure, maybe we get another player and maybe they’re better than you. But maybe we end up with a bot or a lesser player. This ruins it for the team. If you were replaced with a bot, we gotta pick up YOUR slack. It’s un-sportsmanlike conduct. It’s why nearly EVERY MP game out there has this rule. It’s not like this rule is brand new.
I don’t care if it’s casual or comp, you keep bouncing out the match 'cause you’re mad 'cause it ain’t Burger King for ya? Get banned.
Look, I get it, the system sucks. But just because it sucks, it doesn’t mean you can just go and break the rules! Like, if you smoke weed, it’s illegal in most states still. If you get busted, you go to jail. Do I agree with that? Nope. But them’s the breaks kiddo. Rules are in place to generally ensure each player can enjoy their time. Just because you can’t finish a challenge doesn’t give you permission to break the rules to make yourself happy at the expense of others.
I hope that they fix this horrendous mess of a system. For you. For me. For all of us. It sucks. And it sucks you got banned. But, you did get drunk and make bad decisions. You gotta face the music.
Quitting games has always been a breaking of the social contract of online gaming. IIRC quitting was a reportable offence as early as the Xbox 360 (probably even the original Xbox). And the way it was like that is because quitting is an inherently selfish and entitled act that only hurts the online community. That’s pretty much an undebatable fact.
No it’s not a tragedy, it’s just something that brings down the experience and communiy for everyone except the quitter which therefore makes it selfish and entitled on behalf of the quitter.
Furthermore the act of playing online is no less “real” than playing in a team sport with others. The only distinction is where the event happens.
You don’t owe me your free time - I don’t obligate you or anyone to sign on to halo or any other game I’m playing to ensure there is a population available when I want. That would be you owing me your time and its not what we are talking about.
Rather when you sign on and join the queue for a matchmaking game, you are joining the social contract in a mutual space where your preferences (“if I don’t get the mode I want, I’m quitting”) don’t override those of the group (aka the 7 other players in the lobby). The fact that you think that is you owing me your time is frankly just baffling, not least of all because you opted into it.
See above…
You are using the exceptional case (when you quitting doesn’t negatively affect a game) as support for your behaviour in the norm.
Here’s the thing both 343 and you can be in the wrong here. They aren’t mutually exclusive. 343 should increase playlist selection but that doesn’t absolve you of blame. I’m suggesting that until you get your (apparent) need of maximizing virtual points in your sacred free time that perhaps you do it somewhere else as not to degrade the community further OR just get over the virtual points and stick with the matches you join
I don’t care that I’m being blamed for getting the temp ban at this point. Obviously I shouldn’t be hopping matches. But I also should not be encouraged to do it when crunch time comes around. When it came down to the wire it was “Match hop or don’t complete the challenges.”
It’s not good business. It’s dumb. Locking out customers for trying to make optimum use of their time.
They NEED to bring back game mode playlists to avoid this stupidity.
Then I completely agree, it doesn’t help the community when playlists are limited and so many challenges are mode specific. 343 definitely needs to grow the playlist selection 100% (and by 100% I mean in terms of certainty, not size)
I believe expanding the playlist selections to include specific modes would GREATLY improve the experience for the community at large, which in turn will make us all more agreeable in the revenue department.
I believe happy customers are twice as likely to buy cosmetics and xp boosts. But in order to push for challenge swaps they’ve made the whole experience kinda terrible for everybody.
Without challenge swaps, they wouldn’t have any reason to condense the gamemodes into 3 playlists.
As a former Xbox Ambassador I can tell you what reporting people for quitting did. It lowered their player rating and nothing more. You know what a low player rating did? Nothing. They were free to keep playing.
Right. You are aware that people are free to leave any team sport at any point to eat, do chores, go back to class etc.?
Counter strike, battlefield, call of duty, halo ce - 3, rainbow six, team fortress 2 all had thriving communities despite people being free to leave as many matches as they wanted. There are 100’s of other competitive games on steam right now where you can look up servers where you would be free to join and leave as you want.
This 7 number. Why are we pretending that the team who has an advantage is upset that the other team is down 1?
I think I have quit about 30 matches on day one in bot matches to get the game-modes to knock out achievements. Overall I’m not a quitter. These days I even end up staying in matches with a bunch of AFK players because if I leave I’d be the only one hit with a penalty. Want to make it clear that I generally stay and finish my matches. I also believe that if a person wants to quit they should be free to do so. Does it suck? Yeah, kinda. I just do not see it as a big deal or something to make me get on a highhorse and make someone out as bad person.
I guess you’re right. Apples and oranges are both fruits.
Ultimately I’m here to have fun, I’m not a professional, I’m not even trying to be one. I may decide I just want to complete challenges, and if that’s the case, I won’t be having fun if I’m dinking about in Oddball against my will when my challenges are for CTF.
I seriously doubt that it is the 99%. More than 50%, maybe; no way I can know how most people feel. But by my experience: me and my entire family, my circle of friends, and their extended circles of friends, who all play Halo, all hate when this happens, without exception. That tells me there is a very large portion of the player base that does not enjoy it. And frankly, I think anyone who enjoys having a challenge in a game and doesn’t like just making people feel bad, probably doesn’t enjoy it. I’d like to think that’s a lot of people.
Sure, you can choose to. That doesn’t mean you should. And if you do, you should get banned for it. You’re screwing up the play experience for everyone else, because of your own selfish desire to get something that isn’t necessary. I do think it’s stupid the way you’re being made to unlock it, but ruining other people’s good time playing the game to get it is at the very least rude, if not downright selfish.
What else do I have to judge anyone on? I don’t know you, or anyone else that quits games. The only thing I do know, is that you quit games. You or anyone else could be a great person. Great people do crappy things all the time; doesn’t mean that they aren’t crappy things to do. I don’t think you’re a selfish individual for quitting games; I think you’re an individual I know nothing about doing a selfish thing. Thus, I have a problem with it. My friends I know to be great people, but I’d still have a problem with it if they were quitting games just to get some unlockable.
Look, man, I HATE leaving matches early, too. But I did it because I couldn’t see any other option to make use of my xp boost for the challenge and also because it was already late at night, which, for context, I was able to complete in two, 10 minute CTF matches when the ban lifted when it suddenly graced me with two ctf matches in a row, AFTER my xp boost expired because of the ban.
Sure you may hate me for leaving, but don’t deny that 343i has heavily encouraged this behavior in us. I would never have match hopped if I was able to queue for ctf specifically, and I think almost nobody would aside from the odd ragequit or emergency.
And for the record, I’m not here to be judged for the ban by you. I’m here to raise more awareness of this horrible dynamic that afflicts us all that 343 has created.
Oh I wholeheartedly agree, the system is terrible and 343 is very much encouraging it. I’m much more mad at 343 than anyone else. They don’t have playlists, the challenges are annoying, they lock all the rewards behind the annoying challenges, and the customization in general is very bad, all of which encourage it.
I do get your frustration and I agree, but in my opinion, no unlocking of items is worth quitting matches, no matter how broken the system. Quitting a match wastes so much time for all the 7+ other people stuck in the game, I just can’t be okay with it, no matter who or why.
I guess the problem here is that you take this much more seriously than I do.
Again, I’m not a professional gamer. I don’t owe you my time with a system so broken that my choices are to “Grind out matches until you get the match you want.” or “Put the game down.” The context changes everything for me.
If I chose to play Oddball then decided I wanted to do ctf and so I just left, then yeah, I could agree with you.
But the fact of the matter is that I have no control over where I land, and so the blame is shared between myself and 343.
Their failure to provide a system that organically discourages match-hopping overrides all other concerns, as the fault originates with them.
30 minutes is 3 matches my dude. I skipped over an hour of gamemodes I had no interest in playing. The fact I waited until I had 30 minutes left to start match hopping is my own reluctance to drop out of matches early.
Admittedly, I didn’t know the first ban would only be 5 minutes so I did assume it’d be an hour so I went and did real life stuff for a bit.