This is bloody sad man. I can handle the lack things this game is missing, but this man. WTF is goin on over there?? There is clearly a lack of EVERYTHING there. QA, managers, designers, just everything. Whats next? 4th of July is something hateful towards the entire country??
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Assuming they get caught. It’s not like people sign their name when they edit a snippet of code, especially if doing it maliciously. People have been talking about some sort of internal sabotage at 343 for a while now, and this is sort of evidence to it
I haven’t had a laugh this good in a long time.
Saying this as a minority by the way.
Ashamed to see 343 avoid being based.
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Yeah, this might be someone just trying to make a joke (in really bad taste) and it snuck through. If so, quality assurance may be getting some new openings. If not, then they should really make sure that these things don’t happen again, perhaps by using Bing before typing a name in?
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They should know who checked in the code though.
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What is Juneteenth? I’m assuming this is something happening in the US.
The day we celebrate the end of slavery of African people in the US. Which is a big oof when you name something related to this after monkeys.
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I’ve said it before: Top tier clown company.
You can’t even make this stuff up. Would be funny if it wasn’t disgusting.
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The day Black/African Slaves were liberated in the United States after the end of the Civil War. June 19, 1865 is the official day.
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As an American I’d be happy to bring you up to speed.
On June 17, 2021 after passing through the Senate and House of Representatives, U.S. president Joe Biden signed into law the “Juneteenth” federal holiday on June 19th.
“Juneteenth celebrates the end of slavery and commemorates June 19, 1865, when Union Gen. Gordon Granger arrived in Galveston, Texas, and informed enslaved African Americans that the Civil War had ended and they were free. Granger’s message came more than two years after President Abraham Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation.”
It was an abrupt creation back then so this is really the first year we’ve had it and have had time to plan. This is actually the first time I’ve heard the word this month! There are three separate parts of nuance a discussion of the holiday will likely have. There’s the historical part; the contemporary use of it; and the plain, formal, official statement of what Juneteenth is and why it’s a holiday.
I found a pretty good article about the historical origin of it. I’ve only read the first section but this seems like a good source. Be aware that the article uses language and quotes from history that should not be repeated here in the context of this public forum.
https://www.pbs.org/wnet/african-americans-many-rivers-to-cross/history/what-is-juneteenth/
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343 cant even name stuff properly, im suprised any of them can even type code at this point. thats a little more than a mis-step. supposed to be a “AAA” company and 343 definitely doesnt look tripleA, theyve ruined a flagship title and are literally doing the opposite of what their gaming community wants. like hello 343, we are giving you the answers.
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As has been pointed out on Twitter; the internal toolset Halo (since the old Bungie days) uses for nameplates etc. is called “Bonobo” and likely defaults to inserting it’s own name if there is an error in what was typed instead of getting a “NULL” or crash error from having a bad line there.
This also falls in line with Bungie’s (and 343’s) habit of naming things after animals (Halo 3 was full of monkey references for example).
Instead of assuming malice, take the time to gather evidence and facts before making accusations and assumptions. And if a plausible, non-malicious reason and/or cause is available that must be your default until evidence arises otherwise.
We have a tool in use called “Bonobo” an innocuous name under any other circumstances - it is completely possible it uses it’s own name as a fallback so it doesn’t break by trying to read a NULL, crash when it tries to read it or so that it sticks out as a weird sore thumb when going through the list.
Based on what evidence we can ACTUALLY measure (Name of the tool used to modify things, common fallback systems for tools in cases of errors etc., the name fitting perfectly with the previous non-offensive names the company gives it’s tools) the safest assumption is that the file was simply misnamed in a way that got by QA (IE: Something got transposed but still looked right) and returned as this default error - just with really bad timing.
The second best assumption would be that it was named properly, and a disgruntled employee messed with it just before launch knowing it would return this error to cause trouble for 343.
But y’all are all jumping on the idea that 343 is some super-racist company mocking us, which is the least likely theory, just because you want something to be angry about.
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Just another example of the gaming industry being incredibly toxic.
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Anywhere I can read more about this particular tool? I’m mostly coming from the angle of “I like modding and I wonder if there’s anything written about this internal company tool” here.
The Bonobo has also been used a few times throughout Halo media. The oldest example I found was that the animal was mentioned in Halo: The Fall of Reach as part of a plot point. (Halsey was pretending to be working on Bonobos instead of Humans as cover for the Spartan program.)
https://www.halopedia.org/index.php?search=Bonobo
I found that it’s a name for a fan-made tool originally released in 2019 for extracting animations from some of the games (Halo 2, 3, ODST, and Reach). FYI it only supports the original games, meaning the Xbox and Xbox 360 releases. Eyeballing forum edit dates by the author it seems to have been supported and updated between May 20, 2019 to Jan 13, 2020.
https://www.moddb.com/games/halo-3/downloads/bonobo-version-1003
When I do a Google search for Halo Bonobo between the year 2000 and May 2019 I get zilch beyond 1 hit for the tool and 2 hits for Halopedia. Can you connect me to your sources that say it’s an internal company tool?
Well. Yeah. I mean - I’m simply glad they tried to rectify it instead of letting it sit for six months, you know?
Bingo.
The black community of Halo very much deserves a formal apology over it.
Completely agreed.
hey hey hold on, Juneteenth existed far before it was signed in as a federal holiday. Biden does not deserve the credit for a holiday made by the black community.
Hardly. But this is not something widely known about and a very good friend of mine logged in to see this today, before the change? I ain’t gotta’ tell you she was uunnnnnnhappy.
I’d be pretty mad if a trans color plate name used one of the many slurs available for us in the name, regardless of any justification. So it is a very reasonable anger.
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Thank you for bringing this to our attention, Sean. We strive to create diverse and inclusive gaming communities. While the original name refers to an internal toolset, it was not intended to be applied to this content and we recognize the harm it may have caused. (1/2)
— John Junyszek (@Unyshek) June 14, 2022
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I’m not a high enough level on new Waypoint to post links, but Shizarino on Twitter had contact with an Ex-Bungie employee would confirmed that even back in the old days the internal tool was called “Bonobo” and could finicky, and 343 today just tweeted that they still use the same tool.
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Thanks for the citation, CH. Even still it’s… a pretty big foible. To say the least.
That’s true. I kept it short there to focus on the formal introduction of it into law as a federal holiday. To me that was when the importance of it was made clear. I want to discuss more about my exposure to the term before that week but it’s too easy to go down a rabbit hole. Again, I think the three-part nuance of the history; the contemporary use; and the formal law is important to make. Juneteenth is pretty much a new thing for some Americans, including me.
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And that’s the problem right there.
People look at incidents like this like they’re jokes.
We all know this could’ve been an accident but that doesn’t mean this wasn’t any more hurtful, to me because I am African american.
Where does the line get drawn? At this? Or the next incident? I’m just so sick of sensitive topics like this getting looked down upon. Because that’s what happens in the gaming world. At least on twitter and here. People think we’re fronting or being outraged just because.
I shouldn’t feel uncomfortable for feeling the need to talk about this but I do. And I hate that.
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