So most of my fellow halo nation members may disagree with me on this and they have every right to but let me just start off by saying this is just a hypothetical theory/scenario.
So the slipspace rupture is initiated manually by Jorge and the whole ship gets tossed into slip space through random coordinates along with the middle hull of the Long Night of Solace, teleporting the corvette Ardent Prayer along with it.
Auntie Dot: Noble 5… my analytical processes indicate that we are no long in orbit around the planet Reach. Noble 5, please respond.
Jorge: urghhh…hell of a trip, why am I still hearing you, Dot?
Auntie Dot: AI processes can split into fragments to accomplish different tasks and micromanage. This fragment belongs to you was created to ensure that Team Noble could have maximum effectiveness in the field and was how I monitored your vitals hour prior to slip space detonation.
Jorge: So if we are no longer around Reach, where is this slagheap floating off to?
Auntie Dot: unverified coordinates, Noble 5. Recommend finding some form of slip space transport orbiting around in space, and quickly. recommend a seraph fighter at least 500 meters orbiting above you.
Jorge: Right, my suit can only last in a vacuum for so long. good thing I made some modifications. Halsey may have been raving like a loon for a bit but I am sure she would be proud. right then, time to make the big bucks! collecting all his strength Jorge disables the maglock boots and begins floating to the drifting seraph and climbs inside
Jorge: Don’t suppose you have any knowledge on seraph fighters, Dot?
feel free to leave your own theories or expand on this little venture
An activated Slipspace drive isn’t suppose to just teleport a ship somewhere else. That drive wasn’t even attached to a ship.
It pretty much tore up anything close to it. I don’t see how Jorge could have survived…
It was a makeshift bomb. He’s dead. Plus Auntie Dot remained with Noble, so I don’t see why or how she’d be with Jorge somewhere. I assumed she died with Carter-A259, but the Visual Guide says her fate is unknown. That’s interesting.
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> It was a makeshift bomb. He’s dead. Plus Auntie Dot remained with Noble, so I don’t see why or how she’d be with Jorge somewhere. I assumed she died with Carter-A259, but the Visual Guide says her fate is unknown. That’s interesting.
I dont think noble team carried dot around, the game and her profile seem to suggest she just sort of navigated networks around them.
If being torn to shreds didn’t kill him then the radiation from slipspace did. He is dead. Johnson is dead. Noble Six is dead. Gotta let these guys go.
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> > It was a makeshift bomb. He’s dead. Plus Auntie Dot remained with Noble, so I don’t see why or how she’d be with Jorge somewhere. I assumed she died with Carter-A259, but the Visual Guide says her fate is unknown. That’s interesting.
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> I dont think noble team carried dot around, the game and her profile seem to suggest she just sort of navigated networks around them.
Weird. It seemed like they did. Like when she speaks to Noble at the start of Pillar of Autumn, but she disappears after Carter crashes into the Scarab. I wonder why she would end communication with Noble Six and Emile after Carter died? If she did survive the fall of Reach, then it would be need if they brought her back. Smart AI like Sloan are joining Cortana because they want to extend their lives, so I’d be curious to know how Dumb AI play into this. Are they joining her? Are they the AI that the Created are so easily pushing aside? Auntie Dot could be an interesting character to follow again.
Colonel Holland to. One of the things I hate about Reach is that we never got to meet him face to face. I’d like to know if he lived or not and what he might be up to if he did.
My question to anyone who says that people should “let these characters go” is this: Why?
We’ve had it outright proven this past year that “death” means absolutely nothing in this story anymore - and that //anything// is in fact possible with a little retconing and deus-ex-machina.
So why should fans of Jorge-052 (or any Noble Team Spartan), Sgt. Johnson, the Keyes, etc., have to compromise when other people do not? That doesn’t seem very fair.
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> My question to anyone who says that people should “let these characters go” is this: Why?
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> We’ve had it outright proven this past year that “death” means absolutely nothing in this story anymore - and that //anything// is in fact possible with a little retconing and deus-ex-machina.
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> So why should fans of Jorge-052 (or any Noble Team Spartan), Sgt. Johnson, the Keyes, etc., have to compromise when other people do not? That doesn’t seem very fair.
Because it’s a lot more believable for a computer program splintered into multiple copies to survive “death” than it is a living organic human who was ground zero when a makeshift bomb detonated and tore a nearly 30,000 kilometer starship in half.
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> > My question to anyone who says that people should “let these characters go” is this: Why?
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> > We’ve had it outright proven this past year that “death” means absolutely nothing in this story anymore - and that //anything// is in fact possible with a little retconing and deus-ex-machina.
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> > So why should fans of Jorge-052 (or any Noble Team Spartan), Sgt. Johnson, the Keyes, etc., have to compromise when other people do not? That doesn’t seem very fair.
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> Because it’s a lot more believable for a computer program splintered into multiple copies to survive “death” than it is a living organic human who was ground zero when a makeshift bomb detonated and tore a nearly 30,000 kilometer starship in half.
I don’t see how it’s more believable at all when previously established canon still set boundaries on what computer programs can and cannot do and how they function - and thus how honest-to-god “space magic” was used to sidestep those issues.
Ergo, who’s to say that some kind of never before seen slipspace event triggered just as Jorge set off the drive, which subsequently teleported him somewhere else? It’s perfectly within the realm of possibility at this point. And there is absolutely no reason to deny other people the survival of their favorite characters when such options are now available.
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> > > My question to anyone who says that people should “let these characters go” is this: Why?
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> > > We’ve had it outright proven this past year that “death” means absolutely nothing in this story anymore - and that //anything// is in fact possible with a little retconing and deus-ex-machina.
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> > > So why should fans of Jorge-052 (or any Noble Team Spartan), Sgt. Johnson, the Keyes, etc., have to compromise when other people do not? That doesn’t seem very fair.
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> > Because it’s a lot more believable for a computer program splintered into multiple copies to survive “death” than it is a living organic human who was ground zero when a makeshift bomb detonated and tore a nearly 30,000 kilometer starship in half.
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> I don’t see how it’s more believable at all when previously established canon still set boundaries on what computer programs can and cannot do and how they function - and thus how honest-to-god “space magic” was used to sidestep those issues.
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> Ergo, who’s to say that some kind of never before seen slipspace event triggered just as Jorge set off the drive, which subsequently teleported him somewhere else? It’s perfectly within the realm of possibility at this point. And there is absolutely no reason to deny other people the survival of their favorite characters when such options are now available.
Yeah but that’s pretty damn cheap if you ask me- the fans probably wouldn’t like a game where Jorge is alive just because this one thing that could never happen happened at this exact time at this exact place. It’s just not realistic. Cortana is a essentially a program- she can copy herself, she can download herself to different places and survive. Jorge was a physical being that couldn’t do any of that, any more than you or I can.
The survival of the Didact was understandable since he just fell into a slipspace event- Jorge was caught between a bomb, a ship and a slipspace event. Even if he had made it through slipspace in some miraculous way, he’d probably get dumped in the middle of some random solar system with multiple suit breaches and would slowly die.
This way he went out with a bang and took a whole lot of Covvies with him. Spartans don’t live long happy lives, they die eventually so for him, that was a damn good way to go.
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> So most of my fellow halo nation members may disagree with me on this and they have every right to but let me just start off by saying this is just a hypothetical theory/scenario.
> So the slipspace rupture is initiated manually by Jorge and the whole ship gets tossed into slip space through random coordinates along with the middle hull of the Long Night of Solace, teleporting the corvette Ardent Prayer along with it.
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> Auntie Dot: Noble 5… my analytical processes indicate that we are no long in orbit around the planet Reach. Noble 5, please respond.
> Jorge: urghhh…hell of a trip, why am I still hearing you, Dot?
> Auntie Dot: AI processes can split into fragments to accomplish different tasks and micromanage. This fragment belongs to you was created to ensure that Team Noble could have maximum effectiveness in the field and was how I monitored your vitals hour prior to slip space detonation.
> Jorge: So if we are no longer around Reach, where is this slagheap floating off to?
> Auntie Dot: unverified coordinates, Noble 5. Recommend finding some form of slip space transport orbiting around in space, and quickly. recommend a seraph fighter at least 500 meters orbiting above you.
> Jorge: Right, my suit can only last in a vacuum for so long. good thing I made some modifications. Halsey may have been raving like a loon for a bit but I am sure she would be proud. right then, time to make the big bucks! collecting all his strength Jorge disables the maglock boots and begins floating to the drifting seraph and climbs inside
> Jorge: Don’t suppose you have any knowledge on seraph fighters, Dot?
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> feel free to leave your own theories or expand on this little venture
Not 100% sure on this, but wasn’t Cortana the one who did the whole “copying” thing? She found the software in the Covenant AI on Ascendant Justice and adapted it for herself…I’m pretty sure that BB also comments on that in one of the Kilo books. So if in fact Jorge survived, he would be on his own.
Also, that bomb pretty much destroyed every ship around it so even if Jorge had somehow survived, the odds of a functional ship getting transported with him are absolutely minimal.
Sadly, Spartans do die. And he died well.
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> > So most of my fellow halo nation members may disagree with me on this and they have every right to but let me just start off by saying this is just a hypothetical theory/scenario.
> > So the slipspace rupture is initiated manually by Jorge and the whole ship gets tossed into slip space through random coordinates along with the middle hull of the Long Night of Solace, teleporting the corvette Ardent Prayer along with it.
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> > Auntie Dot: Noble 5… my analytical processes indicate that we are no long in orbit around the planet Reach. Noble 5, please respond.
> > Jorge: urghhh…hell of a trip, why am I still hearing you, Dot?
> > Auntie Dot: AI processes can split into fragments to accomplish different tasks and micromanage. This fragment belongs to you was created to ensure that Team Noble could have maximum effectiveness in the field and was how I monitored your vitals hour prior to slip space detonation.
> > Jorge: So if we are no longer around Reach, where is this slagheap floating off to?
> > Auntie Dot: unverified coordinates, Noble 5. Recommend finding some form of slip space transport orbiting around in space, and quickly. recommend a seraph fighter at least 500 meters orbiting above you.
> > Jorge: Right, my suit can only last in a vacuum for so long. good thing I made some modifications. Halsey may have been raving like a loon for a bit but I am sure she would be proud. right then, time to make the big bucks! collecting all his strength Jorge disables the maglock boots and begins floating to the drifting seraph and climbs inside
> > Jorge: Don’t suppose you have any knowledge on seraph fighters, Dot?
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> > feel free to leave your own theories or expand on this little venture
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> Not 100% sure on this, but wasn’t Cortana the one who did the whole “copying” thing? She found the software in the Covenant AI on Ascendant Justice and adapted it for herself…I’m pretty sure that BB also comments on that in one of the Kilo books. So if in fact Jorge survived, he would be on his own.
> Also, that bomb pretty much destroyed every ship around it so even if Jorge had somehow survived, the odds of a functional ship getting transported with him are absolutely minimal.
> Sadly, Spartans do die. And he died well.
technically any AI can have a fragment, not just smart AI’s although smart AI fragments have more capabilities in some sense. in recent canon it is shown that there are some dumb AI that can be implemented into visors and armor to ensure better operational capabilities even if they are dumb varients. And even though Kat stated that they were dead, that was most likey due to them not having mjolnir armor which is not only pressure-sealed and can hold for about a few hours in space but also the ability to withstand heavy amounts of radiation. plus we never actually see him detonate sfx drive, we only see it teleporting ardent prayer and the middle hull of the long night of solace to some randomized coordinates. in theory it’s plausible in terms of a Halo universe.
> Yeah but that’s pretty damn cheap if you ask me- the fans probably wouldn’t like a game where Jorge is alive just because this one thing that could never happen happened at this exact time at this exact place. It’s just not realistic.
That is literally what happened with ‘Halo 5’. So I see no reason why the same can’t be done for other characters. What’s “realistic” doesn’t matter anymore, as the series has proven it doesn’t have to follow it’s own internal logic and that anything can be done in order to ensure a character’s survival. So why shouldn’t Jorge, or anyone else, be privy to the same privileges?
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> > Yeah but that’s pretty damn cheap if you ask me- the fans probably wouldn’t like a game where Jorge is alive just because this one thing that could never happen happened at this exact time at this exact place. It’s just not realistic.
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> That is literally what happened with ‘Halo 5’. So I see no reason why the same can’t be done for other characters. What’s “realistic” doesn’t matter anymore, as the series has proven it doesn’t have to follow it’s own internal logic and that anything can be done in order to ensure a character’s survival. So why shouldn’t Jorge, or anyone else, be privy to the same privileges?
Anything within reason…I mean come on, are you seriously saying that bringing back a human and a “program” is the exact same thing? Especially after we’ve witnessed said human die in a glorious explosion? It’s like saying Johnson survived the blast from Spark, survived the explosion of the ring and then managed to survive the fight against any other beings that might have been around him for weeks or possibly months until teams reached the Ark again…It’s just not possible.
Yes, they could use some sort of magical “he’s alive because we said so” reason but only when it makes sense or when it can actually be proven in some sort of way.
Do you think Six is alive?
He wasn’t wearing a helmet, so any radiation shielding that Mjolnir may have would be irrelevant.
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> He wasn’t wearing a helmet, so any radiation shielding that Mjolnir may have would be irrelevant.
Forgot about that…Which just further proves that he wasn’t even trying to stay alive at that point.
Noble team, with the exception of Jun, is gone. We’ve known that since the beginning.
As for Cortana- the community knew within a month that she was coming back because there were plenty of clues around that suggested that there are ways for her to survive.
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> He wasn’t wearing a helmet, so any radiation shielding that Mjolnir may have would be irrelevant.
He could have put it back on. Easy as that.
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> Forgot about that…Which just further proves that he wasn’t even trying to stay alive at that point.
> Noble team, with the exception of Jun, is gone. We’ve known that since the beginning.
> As for Cortana- the community knew within a month that she was coming back because there were plenty of clues around that suggested that there are ways for her to survive.
Yeah, “clues” as in theories that revolved around entirely breaking established canon as to how AIs work, 343i lying about everything, and a strong reliance on space-magic - which ended up being exactly what happened.
So again, there is absolutely zero reason any character couldn’t return as well when applying these same principles. And once you cross the line of making confirmed death in a story irrelevant, there is no going back. Hence why should anyone have to just accept a character they like’s death now that any number of loopholes are readily available?
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> He could have put it back on. Easy as that.
Why throw it off if you want to live? He was designed to his fate, knowing it’s a one way trip. He could have put it back on, but realistically, if you think your going to die why would you try to?
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> > Forgot about that…Which just further proves that he wasn’t even trying to stay alive at that point.
> > Noble team, with the exception of Jun, is gone. We’ve known that since the beginning.
> > As for Cortana- the community knew within a month that she was coming back because there were plenty of clues around that suggested that there are ways for her to survive.
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> Yeah, “clues” as in theories that revolved around entirely breaking established canon as to how AIs work, 343i lying about everything, and a strong reliance on space-magic - which ended up being exactly what happened.
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> So again, there is absolutely zero reason any character couldn’t return as well when applying these same principles. And once you cross the line of making confirmed death in a story irrelevant, there is no going back. Hence why should anyone have to just accept a character they like’s death now that any number of loopholes are readily available?
AI that is merged with forerunner tech is quite different than a biological human being that is probably immediately killed by the radiation.