Jen Taylor might be evil.

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Okay.
So the title of this post may be a bit misleading. Jen Taylor is not evil. In fact, she is probably one of the nicest and coolest people on this green and blue(hehe) planet.
However, she has the ability to go from inspiring and loving companion to evil ruler flawlessly.
I hated the fact that she was evil in Halo 5. She acted completely out of character and had no motivations. But even I cannot deny how good Jen sounded as a murdering A.I.
There is a show called RWBY(it’s complicated) made by the company Rooster Teeth. They also made Red vs Blue, which a fair number of you guys have watched, I’m sure.
Jen Taylor plays a character named Salem, and if you couldn’t guess from the name she is not the most, compassionate character. Jen knocks it out of the park again with her performance, making me feel threatened by her presence even though she is just a moving picture on a screen.

What do you guys think of Jen’s voice work over the years(she also played Princess Peach and Zoe from Left for Dead).
Also, how many of you guys watch RWBY? It looks like a weird show, but it gets really good especially in the latest season.

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Jen Taylor is great. Part of what hooked me on RWBY was her opening monologue in Ep 1.

Still doesn’t make the Cortana app worth using, though. Sorry, Jen. :confused:

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> Jen Taylor is great. Part of what hooked me on RWBY was her opening monologue in Ep 1.
> Still doesn’t make the Cortana app worth using, though. Sorry, Jen. :confused:

So true.
I remember thinking at the end of volume 3 when Jen begins talking that at least we are going to end with a little bit of hope. Then she she says that she will snuff out that hope. It was honestly the best way to introduce the big bad, and the malice and scariness she puts into her voice is incredible.
Glad to find a fellow fan!

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> I hated the fact that she was evil in Halo 5. She acted completely out of character and had no motivations.

First, Jen Taylor is awesome and always will be no matter what character she plays.

Most importantly, Cortana is not evil, not even in Halo 5 where she had every motivation to act exactly as she did. IMO.

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> First, Jen Taylor is awesome and always will be no matter what character she plays.
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> Most importantly, Cortana is not evil, not even in Halo 5 where she had every motivation to act exactly as she did. IMO.

Leaving motivations aside, isn’t she trying to exterminate humanity? Because we both know humanity wouldn’t give in to her demands or live by her rules.

That qualifies for evil in my book. I think the greater point of contention is (spoilers ahead)

is this Cortana really THE CortanaBack to the topic, Jen Taylor is a wonderful voice actress. We’re fortunate to have her in Halo. I can’t watch RWBY because I think of Monty Oum and get teary every time :frowning:

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> > > I hated the fact that she was evil in Halo 5. She acted completely out of character and had no motivations.
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> > First, Jen Taylor is awesome and always will be no matter what character she plays.
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> > Most importantly, Cortana is not evil, not even in Halo 5 where she had every motivation to act exactly as she did. IMO.
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> Leaving motivations aside, isn’t she trying to exterminate humanity? Because we both know humanity wouldn’t give in to her demands or live by her rules.
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> That qualifies for evil in my book. I think the greater point of contention is (spoilers ahead)
> is this Cortana really THE Cortana

This is a cause and effect thing. She may cause the extermination of humanity (or at least of the militarized and resistant population) but that isn’t the effect she’s trying to create. Quite the opposite. An argument could be made that if someone hands you the means to end armed conflict in the universe and you choose not to use it then you are demonstrating some degree of irresponsibility. Does peace come at a cost? Yes. When ever did it not? Is the cost in this case too high? I wouldn’t want to have to answer that question, but Cortana doesn’t seem to think so and we have a long history of valuing her judgment. I’d be a lot more likely to trust a machine rather than a human to wield absolute power for reasons beyond self-aggrandizement or self-enrichment, although I can still imagine plenty of opportunity for the situation to go bad.

I’m not saying that she hasn’t created a bad situation, or that she may not have made a bad call… but I am saying that her motivations are serious and I didn’t see any reason in the unfolding of the story to doubt her intentions. Her methods, perhaps. But not her intentions.

And if she turns out to be a fake Cortana then that will be the biggest possible cop-out to what is one of the more thoughtful and thought-provoking storylines in videogaming. Well, I guess nobody ever claimed much success by overestimating the literary sophistication of teenaged boys.

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So Cortana wants to make peace, but she is doing so by making the same mistakes the Forerunners did. Not learning from the mistakes of history seems fairly irresponsible and no amount of “good intentions” is going to fix the damage she will cause to both organic and digital relations.

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It’s impressive that she can do so many different roles so well.

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Jen Taylor is a fantastic voice actress. But regarding the whole Created story arc, I half wonder if it’s a satire on gun control.

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> > > I hated the fact that she was evil in Halo 5. She acted completely out of character and had no motivations.
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> > First, Jen Taylor is awesome and always will be no matter what character she plays.
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> > Most importantly, Cortana is not evil, not even in Halo 5 where she had every motivation to act exactly as she did. IMO.
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> Leaving motivations aside, isn’t she trying to exterminate humanity? Because we both know humanity wouldn’t give in to her demands or live by her rules.
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> That qualifies for evil in my book. I think the greater point of contention is (spoilers ahead)
> is this Cortana really THE Cortana
> Back to the topic, Jen Taylor is a wonderful voice actress. We’re fortunate to have her in Halo. I can’t watch RWBY because I think of Monty Oum and get teary every time :frowning:

I don’t think she wants to exterminate humanity. I think that her main desire is to get them under an imperial rule of sorts, forcing them to live the way she wants. Those that refuse will be punished, and she hints that Composing will be that method of punishment. As for all the humans killed by her raising the Guardians, I think that was less a desire of hers and more of a acceptable, necessary loss.

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> > > > I hated the fact that she was evil in Halo 5. She acted completely out of character and had no motivations.
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> > > First, Jen Taylor is awesome and always will be no matter what character she plays.
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> > > Most importantly, Cortana is not evil, not even in Halo 5 where she had every motivation to act exactly as she did. IMO.
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> > Leaving motivations aside, isn’t she trying to exterminate humanity? Because we both know humanity wouldn’t give in to her demands or live by her rules.
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> > That qualifies for evil in my book. I think the greater point of contention is (spoilers ahead)
> > is this Cortana really THE Cortana
> > Back to the topic, Jen Taylor is a wonderful voice actress. We’re fortunate to have her in Halo. I can’t watch RWBY because I think of Monty Oum and get teary every time :frowning:
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> I don’t think she wants to exterminate humanity. I think that her main desire is to get them under an imperial rule of sorts, forcing them to live the way she wants. Those that refuse will be punished, and she hints that Composing will be that method of punishment. As for all the humans killed by her raising the Guardians, I think that was less a desire of hers and more of a acceptable, necessary loss.

She could have easily warned people about the Guardians. It was a preventable tradegy thy she clearly didn’t care about.

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> > > > > I hated the fact that she was evil in Halo 5. She acted completely out of character and had no motivations.
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> > > > First, Jen Taylor is awesome and always will be no matter what character she plays.
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> > > > Most importantly, Cortana is not evil, not even in Halo 5 where she had every motivation to act exactly as she did. IMO.
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> > > Leaving motivations aside, isn’t she trying to exterminate humanity? Because we both know humanity wouldn’t give in to her demands or live by her rules.
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> > > That qualifies for evil in my book. I think the greater point of contention is (spoilers ahead)
> > > is this Cortana really THE Cortana
> > > Back to the topic, Jen Taylor is a wonderful voice actress. We’re fortunate to have her in Halo. I can’t watch RWBY because I think of Monty Oum and get teary every time :frowning:
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> > I don’t think she wants to exterminate humanity. I think that her main desire is to get them under an imperial rule of sorts, forcing them to live the way she wants. Those that refuse will be punished, and she hints that Composing will be that method of punishment. As for all the humans killed by her raising the Guardians, I think that was less a desire of hers and more of a acceptable, necessary loss.
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> She could have easily warned people about the Guardians. It was a preventable tradegy thy she clearly didn’t care about.

More like the writers did not think about all the people in the cities they awoke the guardians at.

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> > > I hated the fact that she was evil in Halo 5. She acted completely out of character and had no motivations.
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> > First, Jen Taylor is awesome and always will be no matter what character she plays.
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> > Most importantly, Cortana is not evil, not even in Halo 5 where she had every motivation to act exactly as she did. IMO.
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> Leaving motivations aside, isn’t she trying to exterminate humanity? Because we both know humanity wouldn’t give in to her demands or live by her rules.
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> That qualifies for evil in my book. I think the greater point of contention is (spoilers ahead)
> is this Cortana really THE Cortana
> Back to the topic, Jen Taylor is a wonderful voice actress. We’re fortunate to have her in Halo. I can’t watch RWBY because I think of Monty Oum and get teary every time :frowning:

Honestly, the best way to honor his legacy is to keep supporting the show. The people who work on the show pour their hearts into it, and the show has gotten better and better.
But that’s just my opinion.

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> > > > First, Jen Taylor is awesome and always will be no matter what character she plays.
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> > > > Most importantly, Cortana is not evil, not even in Halo 5 where she had every motivation to act exactly as she did. IMO.
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> > > Leaving motivations aside, isn’t she trying to exterminate humanity? Because we both know humanity wouldn’t give in to her demands or live by her rules.
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> > > That qualifies for evil in my book. I think the greater point of contention is (spoilers ahead)
> > > is this Cortana really THE Cortana
> > > Back to the topic, Jen Taylor is a wonderful voice actress. We’re fortunate to have her in Halo. I can’t watch RWBY because I think of Monty Oum and get teary every time :frowning:
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> > I don’t think she wants to exterminate humanity. I think that her main desire is to get them under an imperial rule of sorts, forcing them to live the way she wants. Those that refuse will be punished, and she hints that Composing will be that method of punishment. As for all the humans killed by her raising the Guardians, I think that was less a desire of hers and more of a acceptable, necessary loss.
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> She could have easily warned people about the Guardians. It was a preventable tradegy thy she clearly didn’t care about.

For the sake of her plan, I would disagree with that. But even if that were the case, she still doesn’t seem like she wants to destroy all humanity, and instead looks at them as inconsequential and expendable. Not caring about human lives doesn’t necessarily mean she want to kill them all.

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> > > > > First, Jen Taylor is awesome and always will be no matter what character she plays.
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> > > > > Most importantly, Cortana is not evil, not even in Halo 5 where she had every motivation to act exactly as she did. IMO.
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> > > > Leaving motivations aside, isn’t she trying to exterminate humanity? Because we both know humanity wouldn’t give in to her demands or live by her rules.
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> > > > That qualifies for evil in my book. I think the greater point of contention is (spoilers ahead)
> > > > is this Cortana really THE Cortana
> > > > Back to the topic, Jen Taylor is a wonderful voice actress. We’re fortunate to have her in Halo. I can’t watch RWBY because I think of Monty Oum and get teary every time :frowning:
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> > > I don’t think she wants to exterminate humanity. I think that her main desire is to get them under an imperial rule of sorts, forcing them to live the way she wants. Those that refuse will be punished, and she hints that Composing will be that method of punishment. As for all the humans killed by her raising the Guardians, I think that was less a desire of hers and more of a acceptable, necessary loss.
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> More like the writers did not think about all the people in the cities they awoke the guardians at.

I don’t think we can say this. Remember the advertisements of entire cities being leveled?

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> > > > First, Jen Taylor is awesome and always will be no matter what character she plays.
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> > > > Most importantly, Cortana is not evil, not even in Halo 5 where she had every motivation to act exactly as she did. IMO.
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> > > Leaving motivations aside, isn’t she trying to exterminate humanity? Because we both know humanity wouldn’t give in to her demands or live by her rules.
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> > > That qualifies for evil in my book. I think the greater point of contention is (spoilers ahead)
> > > is this Cortana really THE Cortana
> > > Back to the topic, Jen Taylor is a wonderful voice actress. We’re fortunate to have her in Halo. I can’t watch RWBY because I think of Monty Oum and get teary every time :frowning:
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> > I don’t think she wants to exterminate humanity. I think that her main desire is to get them under an imperial rule of sorts, forcing them to live the way she wants. Those that refuse will be punished, and she hints that Composing will be that method of punishment. As for all the humans killed by her raising the Guardians, I think that was less a desire of hers and more of a acceptable, necessary loss.
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> She could have easily warned people about the Guardians. It was a preventable tradegy thy she clearly didn’t care about.

I adamantly don’t think she could have. By that I mean, should have. There’s no way people would have moved. People don’t move for volcano warnings. Tropical storm/hurricane warnings. People would be skeptical about her plan and would expect her to be playing chicken. Or if they thought it were a real possibility, they would demand strong UNSC presence at the Guardian locations. That would have yielded even more deaths.

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> So Cortana wants to make peace, but she is doing so by making the same mistakes the Forerunners did. Not learning from the mistakes of history seems fairly irresponsible and no amount of “good intentions” is going to fix the damage she will cause to both organic and digital relations.

My forerunner history is weak enough that I have to defer to you on this point, except to say generally that the entire concept of the mantle of responsibility rests on the notion that just as individuals are impermanent so too are whole races. Whatever the specific failures of the forerunners may be, their predecessors understood that forerunner failure was inevitable, just as their own inevitable failures led to the forerunner rise. Knowing that I’ll die one day doesn’t stop me from getting out of bed now. Knowing that my race may well one day perish in a supernova doesn’t stop me from wanting to improve our collective lot now. I’m pretty sure that Cortana, even if she believes a bad outcome to be inevitable, is not going to stop trying to do something that she believes will serve a greater good. Does she believe that a bad outcome is inevitable? I don’t know. I’m pretty confident that the lessons of history are not lost on someone who is as intelligent and as knowledgeable as she is. Still not saying I’d have made the same call, but I can certainly understand how someone could perceive as failure an unwillingness to act on the opportunity.

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> > > > > First, Jen Taylor is awesome and always will be no matter what character she plays.
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> > > > > Most importantly, Cortana is not evil, not even in Halo 5 where she had every motivation to act exactly as she did. IMO.
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> > > > Leaving motivations aside, isn’t she trying to exterminate humanity? Because we both know humanity wouldn’t give in to her demands or live by her rules.
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> > > > That qualifies for evil in my book. I think the greater point of contention is (spoilers ahead)
> > > > is this Cortana really THE Cortana
> > > > Back to the topic, Jen Taylor is a wonderful voice actress. We’re fortunate to have her in Halo. I can’t watch RWBY because I think of Monty Oum and get teary every time :frowning:
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> I adamantly don’t think she could have. By that I mean, should have. There’s no way people would have moved. People don’t move for volcano warnings. Tropical storm/hurricane warnings. People would be skeptical about her plan and would expect her to be playing chicken. Or if they thought it were a real possibility, they would demand strong UNSC presence at the Guardian locations. That would have yielded even more deaths.

Taylorman, first off I appreciate that your posts are always very polite and thoughtful even when disagreeing with people, so thank you for that. I’ll try to return the favor.

That said, I just do not buy that as powerful as she is, there’s nothing she could have done. Assuming she couldn’t just use Promethean spawngate/teleportation technology (whatever the same tech is that allows the Promies to just appear in campaign or FF) to move people, she could have at least attempted to warn them. We don’t know that no one would have moved. And that’s if it in fact it wouldn’t even be impractical to just send Prometheans there in a non-combat role to force people into evac ships, or something. (Which it sure doesn’t appear they’re there to do, it appears they’re just there to kill people, because reasons.) So the point being, the fact that she didn’t even try to avoid taking those lives, speaks volumes about how little human life means to her at this point, to me. I don’t know if that’s what the writers intended or not, but that’s the way I take it, because if it were real, the families of those who were killed when the Guardians were activated, do not care what her good intentions were.

This on top of the way that she lied to and manipulated John who she claims to still care for, in order to suit her own purposes, with the intent of imprisoning him.

This also on top of the way she’s hypocritically using the Knights, who are themselves composed humans, to suit her own purposes in advancing AI rights, while disrespecting their freedom.

And the grand icing on the cake being the way we now find out from Tales from Slipspace that she’s the custodian over a virtual Hell, keeping millions of the Composed in a state of disembodied endless torment when she could release them, and again because reasons, is choosing not to. If I had any doubts left whatsoever as to her evil-or-not status before that, that sealed the deal for me, personally.

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> > > > > First, Jen Taylor is awesome and always will be no matter what character she plays.
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> > > > > Most importantly, Cortana is not evil, not even in Halo 5 where she had every motivation to act exactly as she did. IMO.
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> > > > Leaving motivations aside, isn’t she trying to exterminate humanity? Because we both know humanity wouldn’t give in to her demands or live by her rules.
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> > > > That qualifies for evil in my book. I think the greater point of contention is (spoilers ahead)
> > > > is this Cortana really THE Cortana
> > > > Back to the topic, Jen Taylor is a wonderful voice actress. We’re fortunate to have her in Halo. I can’t watch RWBY because I think of Monty Oum and get teary every time :frowning:
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Of course she doesn’t want to wipe out humanity or any species, but what authority grants her the power to deem the lives of anybody as expendable? One could argue the Guardins were going to cause damage no matter what, I can grant that. But what purpose did assaulting Meridian Station serve? How was shooting down fleeing Pelicans relevant to the plan when they clearly couldn’t fight back? She allowed the Prometheans to run wild on Meridian. Some claim that is the Warden’s doing, but she controls the Warden (even his intrusions on Genesis have the feeling of Cortana letting him be a pest to make her convenient saving of Blue Team look convincing).

She just doesn’t care about a loss of life. There isn’t anything there that puts her in a position to say she is doing this for the greater good since she clearly has no boundaries and no real plan besides “peace for the Galaxy.” Doesn’t that other anyone else that all she has really said is she will bring peace, but the details are fuzzy? Anyone remember how she said she’d explain everything to Chief, but didn’t?

She killed indiscriminately and lied about her motives, why should she be trusted?

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> > > > > > First, Jen Taylor is awesome and always will be no matter what character she plays.
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> > > > > > Most importantly, Cortana is not evil, not even in Halo 5 where she had every motivation to act exactly as she did. IMO.
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> > > > > Leaving motivations aside, isn’t she trying to exterminate humanity? Because we both know humanity wouldn’t give in to her demands or live by her rules.
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> > > > > That qualifies for evil in my book. I think the greater point of contention is (spoilers ahead)
> > > > > is this Cortana really THE Cortana
> > > > > Back to the topic, Jen Taylor is a wonderful voice actress. We’re fortunate to have her in Halo. I can’t watch RWBY because I think of Monty Oum and get teary every time :frowning:
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> Of course she doesn’t want to wipe out humanity or any species, but what authority grants her the power to deem the lives of anybody as expendable? One could argue the Guardins were going to cause damage no matter what, I can grant that. But what purpose did assaulting Meridian Station serve? How was shooting down fleeing Pelicans relevant to the plan when they clearly couldn’t fight back? She allowed the Prometheans to run wild on Meridian. Some claim that is the Warden’s doing, but she controls the Warden (even his intrusions on Genesis have the feeling of Cortana letting him be a pest to make her convenient saving of Blue Team look convincing).
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> She just doesn’t care about a loss of life. There isn’t anything there that puts her in a position to say she is doing this for the greater good since she clearly has no boundaries and no real plan besides “peace for the Galaxy.” Doesn’t that other anyone else that all she has really said is she will bring peace, but the details are fuzzy? Anyone remember how she said she’d explain everything to Chief, but didn’t?
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> She killed indiscriminately and lied about her motives, why should she be trusted?

I never said she should be trusted. I just said her ultimate goal isn’t to wipe out humanity. When I said I disagreed with you, I meant the idea that she easily could have warned people about the Guardians before raising them. That would have been a detriment to her plan.