Jackal Shield : In Multiplayer

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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I was thinking about one of the coolest weapons that has been in halo for such a long time but hasnt been usable. Why hasnt the jackal shield made its way in halo as a usable weapon in campaign or even the multiplayer?

> Jackal Shield: Ways it could work
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> - Has a strong melee attack (shield bash) - Shield can break over time with enough damage (color shows when its about to break) - Could be used kinda like the flagnum. You automatically get the small arms weapon when you pick up the jackal shield. Could also use some flagnum properties like faster ROF and extra damage. - Can’t sprint while using ADS (allows the shield to cover your face and center body mass) - Can only shoot when not shielding yourself - Can still thrust while using ADS/Cover with shield

These are the two ways i could see it being used but if you have any ideas then please leave a comment below. Thank you =]

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It was intended to be a playable weapon in Halo 2 Campaign. I believe someone was looking in the PC versions files and found it. It apparently allowed you to dual wield it while holding a normal weapon. Pretty cool if you ask me. Personally I believe it could be that you have the shield, in the left, like the Jackal, but any handgun/pistol, has the ability to be weld in the right hand. Ooor maybe you can hold the Flag in the right but hold the a Shield in the left? Same for holding the Bomb in Assault? I’m just throwing around ideas lol.

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I could get behind the; Would be an interesting tool to use and imagine the customs that could be done with it. I say recycle part of the old duel wield mechanic and allow all types of pistols to be used with it but that’s it. After all, it basically gives you extra shields as long as you are facing towards the enemy so it should be treated as being a powerful front facing shield but with the trade off being that you don’t have as much damage output.

I think just for the custom games potential it should be allowed in the game, its the same reasons I want pelicans and phantoms in forge; In normal matchmaking they would be way too OP, but in customs they could be awesome.

Edit: actually, I bet phantoms and pelicans in warzone e work quite well…

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> It was intended to be a playable weapon in Halo 2 Campaign. I believe someone was looking in the PC versions files and found it. It apparently allowed you to dual wield it while holding a normal weapon. Pretty cool if you ask me. Personally I believe it could be that you have the shield, in the left, like the Jackal, but any handgun/pistol, has the ability to be weld in the right hand. Ooor maybe you can hold the Flag in the right but hold the a Shield in the left? Same for holding the Bomb in Assault? I’m just throwing around ideas lol.

The flag and bomb idea is really really cool imo. Idk i could just see a badass way that the shield could work. I mean destiny added shields in raids and they were pretty cool.

I could see the shield being kinda like sword where you hold the zoom button and you hold it up to your face so then that way you could have a free view without it in your face with your pistol out. Then while zoomed it obstructs your view a bit but you can still fire. =]

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I’d imagine it would essentially make you harder to kill but only be able to melee. Automatically having a pistol installed would be OP.

Its been rumoured to be in pretty much every new Halo game from Halo 2 onwards before release., and always never appeared. I’m very surprised it never has made it in though.

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It’s definitely do-able. Jackal shield with Pistol. Shield breaks after certain amount of damage (maybe as much as Spartan shields or a little less) and the only Spartan Abiltiies you can use are Thruster and Sprint (which means no ADS also), but Sprint lowers the shield (the actual, physical shield, not it’s energy). Seems like a good starting point.

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> I’d imagine it would essentially make you harder to kill but only be able to melee. Automatically having a pistol installed would be OP.
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> Its been rumoured to be in pretty much every new Halo game from Halo 2 onwards before release., and always never appeared. I’m very surprised it never has made it in though.

Well i mean it would be considered a power weapon the way the im thinking of it. I mean some people thought the magnum was too op at first. There are ways to balance it. Like you cant block and shoot at the same time. Maybe you can shooting when you dont hold down the zoom buttom but when you zoom the shield goes in front of your chest and face.

There are easy ways to balance an idea like this.

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Well we have indestructible Hardlight Shield, but I’d prefer the Jackal shield as equipment over it. It’s a lesser shield, that allows you to use any weapon with one hand. When using the shield, you’ll be more vulnerable than a Jackal do to height. Jackal weak spot is typical the hand. For a Spartan, it will be head and knees down. Jackal Shield should be 1 usage equipment

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> Well we have indestructible Hardlight Shield, but I’d prefer the Jackal shield as equipment over it. It’s a lesser shield, that allows you to use any weapon with one hand. When using the shield, you’ll be more vulnerable than a Jackal do to height. Jackal weak spot is typical the hand. For a Spartan, it will be head and knees down. Jackal Shield should be 1 usage equipment

Would be interesting to use and play on in custom games.

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> Well we have indestructible Hardlight Shield, but I’d prefer the Jackal shield as equipment over it. It’s a lesser shield, that allows you to use any weapon with one hand. When using the shield, you’ll be more vulnerable than a Jackal do to height. Jackal weak spot is typical the hand. For a Spartan, it will be head and knees down. Jackal Shield should be 1 usage equipment

They could just make the shield big enough that it covers center mass and your head. Its not that hard of an issue to fix. When you ADS with the shield you could have a animation that makes your spartan cover your face and chest. Also your legs would be vulnerable to grenades or shots unless you crouch.

I would much rather it be a weapon than equipment. There are many works around for small problems like that.

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> It was intended to be a playable weapon in Halo 2 Campaign. I believe someone was looking in the PC versions files and found it. It apparently allowed you to dual wield it while holding a normal weapon. Pretty cool if you ask me. Personally I believe it could be that you have the shield, in the left, like the Jackal, but any handgun/pistol, has the ability to be weld in the right hand. Ooor maybe you can hold the Flag in the right but hold the a Shield in the left? Same for holding the Bomb in Assault? I’m just throwing around ideas lol.

yes a jackal shield (with its obvious ancient greek inspired design) and a flag (that’s basically a spear)… i could get behind that, would the melee animation be a shield bash or a spear thrust lol.

but yea i think it’d be a cool addition for custom games and forge, but keep it out of MM. to keep it reasonably balanced i would have it loose % like energy weapons for taking damage, more damage blocked faster %drop, pressing melee would do a drop shield/punch/re-shield animation making you easier to shoot while punching and if you had a pistol of some form equipped when you picked it up you automatically swap to it in your main hand and can shoot with it, but can’t use smart scope. also the shield would prevent clamber and ground pound while active.

but as far as we know it’s not in and unless it is and they haven’t mentioned it, it isn’t going to be at this point in development

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Just admit it, you like the Riot Shield in CoD and you want one in Halo. No shame in that brotha.

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> Just admit it, you like the Riot Shield in CoD and you want one in Halo. No shame in that brotha.

Actually im not a huge call of duty fan and this has been something i have wanted to see since i first seen the jackal shield way back in 2001. If anything to compare it to i would compare it to the shields in the destiny raid. I think they are very cool.

It could work in halo if its tested and balance right. There isnt a power weapon that also helps give you better defence while fightings. Most power weapons are offensive and mind and give you a huge advantage. Why not have a shield that can do a decent amount of damage up close but also protect you from afar. I think its a unique design choice that could spice things up imo.

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> I was thinking about one of the coolest weapons that has been in halo for such a long time but hasnt been usable. Why hasnt the jackal shield made its way in halo as a usable weapon in campaign or even the multiplayer?
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> > - Could be used only as a shield that can be used as a melee weapon (think of it like a sword that has a shield but can be broken when shot at and takes 2 melee’s to kill. Your still vulnerable from the back and you dont have a weapon. Maybe even while sprinting you can do some sort of shield bash.
> > - Could be used kinda like the flagnum. You automatically get the pistol when you pick up the jackal shield. Could also use some flagnum properties like faster ROF and extra damage.
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> These are the two ways i could see it being used but if you have any ideas then please leave a comment below. Thank you =]

Not even slightly interested in this. At all. Sorry, but it’s not what I think would make for a good balanced gameplay. Sorry dude.

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I really do not expect it to make its way into Halo 5: Guardians.

That said, just in case the idea would catch fire enough for 343 to notice and consider it for Halo 6, I’ll add in my voice here.

I have long dreamed of being able to use the Jackals’ shield. I think it makes a lot of sense, would be cool and work very well, and fits Halo’s gameplay.
In response to how this should manifest, I absolutely don’t think it should leave you weaponless. I always envisioned it as more like your second suggestion, but not exactly.
I think that it should be connected to your secondary weapon. So, imagine you only have one primary weapon that requires two hands, like a Rocket Launcher. If you have no secondary, perhaps it will be placed on your back, providing some back cover, or instead maybe simply the shield generator remains inactive on your arm, but it is unusable until you pick up a sidearm.
If you do have a one-handed sidearm, then whenever you pull it out, the shield will activate on the free arm. There’s a lot of different ways they could do it; maybe you could turn it on and off even with your sidearm out. But my main point that I do stand behind is that it should be usable alongside any sidearm, not just a magnum, and not causing a magic magnum you don’t have to appear. I think you should be able to use it with a magnum, plasma pistol, needler, mauler (I can dream), SMG, or any other one-hander. The trade-off would be slightly slower forward movement while it’s active, not being able to throw grenades while it is out, as well as your gangsta-held sidearm being not nearly as accurate.
Another possibility would be usability with small rifles (AR, DMR, NR, BR, Carbine), perhaps…by placing the barrel in the cutaway. Again, it would result in noticeably less accuracy, plus it’d be a little harder to see through the shield.
I do think it should absolutely be destructible, but, it should definitely be able to withstand quite a bit of shots, a fairly heavy amount of damage before popping, so that it’s something you want to pick up and it will be worth its downsides.
It should be designed to be useful to temporarily block a hallway (especially effective while crouched, as it would cover your entire body except your right arm), push into a guarded enemy base…tactical situations like that, while not being effective in open areas or when you have the lower ground.
Lastly, if you assassinate someone who’s holding a shield, you should automatically steal it in the process.

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> I really do not expect it to make its way into Halo 5: Guardians.
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> That said, just in case the idea would catch fire enough for 343 to notice and consider it for Halo 6, I’ll add in my voice here.
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> I have long dreamed of being able to use the Jackals’ shield. I think it makes a lot of sense, would be cool and work very well, and fits Halo’s gameplay.
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> - How exactly does it ‘work very well and fits Halo’s gameplay’? Didn’t they take away the light shield, that is essentially the same thing?
> In response to how this should manifest, I absolutely don’t think it should leave you weaponless. I always envisioned it as more like your second suggestion, but not exactly.
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> - It self is the weapon. If they ever brought it in, you shouldn’t be able to hold a weapon and that. I still don’t think it should be in the game to begin with, and my responses to you will be bias.
> I think that it should be connected to your secondary weapon. So, imagine you only have one primary weapon that requires two hands, like a Rocket Launcher. If you have no secondary, perhaps it will be placed on your back, providing some back cover, or instead maybe simply the shield generator remains inactive on your arm, but it is unusable until you pick up a sidearm.
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> - Shouldn’t be able to be used while it’s not actually in your hand. You shouldn’t get a back armor as well. Considering you would have to have a two handed weapon in order to use it on your back, what would happen if they had a single? That makes no sense that it would switch up depending on the weapon you pick up.
> If you do have a one-handed sidearm, then whenever you pull it out, the shield will activate on the free arm.
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> - Oh. I just read this, I’m commenting as I go here. But… no. God no. You shouldn’t get an automatic always available light shield equivalent for however long it’s supposed to last. The %, or the time before it ‘pops’, whatever your particular thought is. Seriously, it would be such a huge break in the balance of the weapons.
> There’s a lot of different ways they could do it; maybe you could turn it on and off even with your sidearm out. But my main point that I do stand behind is that it should be usable alongside any sidearm, not just a magnum, and not causing a magic magnum you don’t have to appear.
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> - Again, no.
> I think you should be able to use it with a magnum, plasma pistol, needler, mauler (I can dream), SMG, or any other one-hander.
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> - :confused:
> The trade-off would be slightly slower forward movement while it’s active, not being able to throw grenades while it is out, as well as your gangsta-held sidearm being not nearly as accurate.
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> - Not being able to throw grenades? Halo’s grenades are CRUCIAL part of kills. CRUCIAL. They are used for everything, including but not limited to hitmarkers to find people, take out shields, disperse enemies from an objective, kills all together, sticking people, etc. NOT liking this, period. Christ no.
> Another possibility would be usability with small rifles (AR, DMR, NR, BR, Carbine), perhaps…by placing the barrel in the cutaway. Again, it would result in noticeably less accuracy, plus it’d be a little harder to see through the shield.
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> - Jesus, what? You want them to have a BR too? Lmfao, seriously? I thought you were serious up until this point, I just can’t even fathom the overpowered-ness that this would toss into the miss. You would never die. You could hide in a freakin’ corner and just peg people until they died.
> I do think it should absolutely be destructible, but, it should definitely be able to withstand quite a bit of shots or a fairly heavy amount of damage, so that it’s something you want to pick up and it will be worth its downsides.
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> - You essentially want them to have a shield… that allows you to shoot through the cut out, while taking ‘fairly heavy amount of damage’, which I can only assume it near, or more than that of the Overshield… this is just overpowered, and I mean OVER overpowered here.
> It should be designed to be useful to temporarily block a hallway (especially effective while crouched, as it would cover your entire body except your right arm), push into a guarded enemy base…tactical situations like that, while not being effective in open areas or when you have the lower ground.
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> - It shouldn’t be useful in Halo, I’m sorry dude, it’s just not balanceable AND useful. If it’s balanced, it’s going to be junk. If it’s not balanced, it’s going to be overpowered and overused. I don’t think it can be useful, don’t you think they have thought of bringing this over before? I can almost guarantee they have thought of this, and tried. And realized, it’s just not able to be useful AND balanced.
> Lastly, if you assassinate someone who’s holding a shield, you should automatically steal it in the process.
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> - I just… no. I can’t.

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> > I was thinking about one of the coolest weapons that has been in halo for such a long time but hasnt been usable. Why hasnt the jackal shield made its way in halo as a usable weapon in campaign or even the multiplayer?
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> > > - Could be used only as a shield that can be used as a melee weapon (think of it like a sword that has a shield but can be broken when shot at and takes 2 melee’s to kill. Your still vulnerable from the back and you dont have a weapon. Maybe even while sprinting you can do some sort of shield bash.
> > > - Could be used kinda like the flagnum. You automatically get the pistol when you pick up the jackal shield. Could also use some flagnum properties like faster ROF and extra damage.
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> > These are the two ways i could see it being used but if you have any ideas then please leave a comment below. Thank you =]
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> Not even slightly interested in this. At all. Sorry, but it’s not what I think would make for a good balanced gameplay. Sorry dude.

Your no contributing to the idea or telling me why it wont make for “a good balanced gameplay”. Anything can be balanced. Like i said lost of people hated the flagnum but many people like it now because its balanced.

Please make constructive posts instead “i dont like that” or “it wont work”. Tell how i could work and why you think it doesnt.

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> > > I was thinking about one of the coolest weapons that has been in halo for such a long time but hasnt been usable. Why hasnt the jackal shield made its way in halo as a usable weapon in campaign or even the multiplayer?
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> > > > Jackal Shield: Ways it could work
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> > > > - Could be used only as a shield that can be used as a melee weapon (think of it like a sword that has a shield but can be broken when shot at and takes 2 melee’s to kill. Your still vulnerable from the back and you dont have a weapon. Maybe even while sprinting you can do some sort of shield bash.
> > > > - Could be used kinda like the flagnum. You automatically get the pistol when you pick up the jackal shield. Could also use some flagnum properties like faster ROF and extra damage.
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> > > These are the two ways i could see it being used but if you have any ideas then please leave a comment below. Thank you =]
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> > Not even slightly interested in this. At all. Sorry, but it’s not what I think would make for a good balanced gameplay. Sorry dude.
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> Your no contributing to the idea or telling me why it wont make for “a good balanced gameplay”. Anything can be balanced. Like i said lost of people hated the flagnum but many people like it now because its balanced.
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> Please make constructive posts instead “i dont like that” or “it wont work”. Tell how i could work and why you think it doesnt.

My opinion is what the forums are for. I don’t have to follow your particular rules to post in a thread.
I answered someone else’s post, read that instead of trying to get another post added to your count.

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> > > > I was thinking about one of the coolest weapons that has been in halo for such a long time but hasnt been usable. Why hasnt the jackal shield made its way in halo as a usable weapon in campaign or even the multiplayer?
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> > > > > - Could be used only as a shield that can be used as a melee weapon (think of it like a sword that has a shield but can be broken when shot at and takes 2 melee’s to kill. Your still vulnerable from the back and you dont have a weapon. Maybe even while sprinting you can do some sort of shield bash.
> > > > > - Could be used kinda like the flagnum. You automatically get the pistol when you pick up the jackal shield. Could also use some flagnum properties like faster ROF and extra damage.
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> > > > These are the two ways i could see it being used but if you have any ideas then please leave a comment below. Thank you =]
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> > > Not even slightly interested in this. At all. Sorry, but it’s not what I think would make for a good balanced gameplay. Sorry dude.
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> > Your no contributing to the idea or telling me why it wont make for “a good balanced gameplay”. Anything can be balanced. Like i said lost of people hated the flagnum but many people like it now because its balanced.
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> > Please make constructive posts instead “i dont like that” or “it wont work”. Tell how i could work and why you think it doesnt.
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> My opinion is what the forums are for. I don’t have to follow your particular rules to post in a thread.
> I answered someone else’s post, read that instead of trying to get another post added to your count.

Yes its a forum then responding to people is what your supposed to. Your also supposed to make valid points or opinions and not just statements. We wont get anywhere with statements man.