I've had it with all these Halo "fans"

Enough is enough. Stop complaining.

It blows my mind that so many people can complain about so many aspects of the game in which they have absolutely no first hand experience with.

Every new addition to the Halo series has incorporated major changes so all these people that are saying “RIP halo” “Halo will be unbalanced, not fun, etc” have no clue what they are talking or have not played many halo games.

When Halo 2 was released, Bungie introduced dual wielding for the first time. At first the plasma rifle and UNSC pistol were a tad overpowered. Bungie then tweaks their effectiveness when used simultaneously. When people discovered the power of the “noob combo” (plasma pistol + BR) on the map Colossus Bungie lowered the number of BRs and plasma pistols that could be found on the map.

When Halo 3 (I’m including ODST with this since it was a campaign plus halo 3 multiplayer and Firefight) was released, Bungie added equipment to the game (trip mine, bubble shield, power drain, portable grav lift. They also added the mongoose, the hornet, and the elephant. Armor Permutations were also a first for Halo 3, as was forge, theater, and massive additions to custom game types.

Halo Reach: New additions include assassinations, armor abilities (I’ll admit that wish armor lock wasn’t in the game), a 3 dimensional motion sensor. Bungie increased the power and usefulness of weapons that were once dual-wieldable but no longer are (ex: pistol/magnum). The ability to play as an elite was also a first. Halo: Reach also introduces new gametypes to multiplayer such as Invasion, Stockpile, and Headhunter.

Bungie has learned from their shortcomings in their previous games and made sincere efforts to fix them.

When halo 2 saw boosters and people using stand-by to illegitimately increase their global rank they introduced a playlist specific ranking system in halo 3 (and reset halo 2 global rankings multiple times), unfortunately, in halo 3 people still boosted accounts to 50 in exchange for xbox time cards.

Halo Reach had good intentions when trying to right that problem by making it a progressive system but that wasn’t as well received as they had hoped. Reach also had too many playlist options which fractured the online player base (those of you who bought the map packs probably know all too well).

Halo 4 removed some of the lesser played game types and narrowed the the amount of playlist down. This should allow them to match up players more evenly and allow matches to be found faster. The “perk-like” system being introduced will be just like the introduction of equipment in halo 3 and armor abilities in halo reach. It wont break the game. If one specific ability or specialization (or the Mantis) is overpowered I think you can look back in halo’s online history and be confident that changes can and likely will be made. The diversity added to Halo 4 is going to open up so many new strategies and counter strategies that 343i will want to see what the online community comes up with before they bother fixing what isn’t broken. For people complaining about the sticky flag, you know what you’re getting yourself into when you pick up the flag. You also get a strong pistol and a slight speed increase. From what I understand you basically have to walk right over top of the flag to pick it up so I don’t want to hear about accidental pick ups. If you’re play CTF you should want the flag in your control.

Q: Maps are bigger than before? A: sprint as default and instant spawn
Q: Anything revolutionary? A: Spartan Ops
Q: Any new enemies or weapons? A: Promethean

I could go on for hours about why everything being introduced in Halo 4 wont break the game

The campaign will be awesome and the multiplayer will be awesome. If 343i didn’t continue to add new and revolutionary things the series would become stale and the hype would be nowhere near where it is now. 343i cares about this series, it is partly responsible for getting xbox to where is is today.

For those of you have that have read this far, THANK YOU: Have faith, this game will not be a failure, broken game like these so called “fans” say it will be. If you spend all day on the forums complaining about Halo 4 then please don’t buy it, the less whiny little kids on xbox live, the better.

I may have mixed up some facts along this journey, if so I apologize in advance.

Sources: Owned and played countless hours of Halo CE, Halo 2, Halo 3, ODST, and Halo Reach. Also, I read damn near everyone of Frankie’s weekly What’s Updates.

TL;DR: Stop complaining, you’re wasting my oxygen.

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> TL;DR: Stop complaining, you’re wasting my oxygen.

Pot, meet Kettle. I hear he’s a nice guy.

its so funny how op says we dont have first hand experience, so we cant complaign, then he blindly praises the game.

Agreed.

People unfortunately complain and complain. I’m thankful that all of the complaining has not deterred Bungie/343 from creating such wonderful games.

The game is going to be wonderful.

But, being on these forums since Halo 2, I know that complainers will complain. And luckily, 343/bungie know that people will.

I would comment with my opinions, but I’m exasperated with all of this. If I learned anything, voicing your opinions on this site or Bungie (where it was still worse) is pointless because someone will oppose you, the two of you will debate, then the debating goes to flaming. In the end, you’ll reach a stalemate and the thread dies… To much of my time got wasted trying to realize this through the armor lock crisis on the reach forum on bnet.

If I am wrong, please let me know. It’ll bring me some hope.

people do have the right to complain
making a thread complaining about complainers makes you an equal to them,
if you think about it, THEY are an aspect of the game as well
and you’re complaining about them

even though your intentions are good, and the complainers might not have a good argument, that doesn’t mean they can’t voice their opinions

if i were you, i would just stick with the dozens of people that automatically shoot down the complainers thread

take a look, 90% of those complain threads either end with a large list of people going 'play the game before you complain" or “stop complaining so much, enjoy it for what it is”, or the rare “I would be deeply appreciative if you would refrain from speaking. noob
or they end up with very few replies
trust me, they don’t get far

> its so funny how op says we dont have first hand experience, so we cant complaign, then he blindly praises the game.

It’s Halo. It will be great overall.

We know that.

People’s complaints though, should be saved till they actually get a lot of time in. Before screaming and crying at how 343 has betrayed us.

Gaming Forum is made for complainers sooner you recognise this the better for you will feel.

> its so funny how op says we dont have first hand experience, so we cant complaign, then he blindly praises the game.

I may not have conveyed my intentions as well as I would have liked but what I’m trying to say is the give the game a chance. Halo’s past record is proven and I don’t see why new changes to Halo 4 is going to ruin the game when every subsequent game had new changes and continued to be very successful.

Yeah…um…Halo 2 you could play as elites for the first time…sorry bud, your credibility with this post was lost when you said Reach was the first game to do so.

Btw, the logic you are using (you haven’t played it yet so you can’t judge)is very flawed. If we used this logic then you can’t say that what you are saying won’t break the game won’t break the game. How can you say it won’t break the game if you haven’t played it yet. This is why I hate it when people work within absolutes. No the game probably WON’T suck, but it probably WON’T be what 343i could have made it be. There are a lot of questions that need to be asked and there should be people to complain because they influence how the developers go about making changes to the game. I mean come on, how many of us are going to sit here and let them come out with something without ANY of our input and just accept it as a good game?

I’m sorry, you can say people are whining too much and you know that’s fine if you think that, but there are very worrisome people in the halo fan community who are concerned about the direction Halo has taken.

Seriously though? You shouldn’t be able to say something is a stupid decision before you’ve actually played the game? How many of us are going to say we can’t judge a presidential candidate on his policies if we haven’t experienced his policies yet? That is failed logic sir. Please try again.

A thread complaining about other people complaining…

Just small error, but eites could be played in halo 3.

People have the right to make criticism.

Everything isn’t going to be all rainbows and flowers.

thank you for a clear and logical thread.

one minor correction though, you could play as elites since halo 2, but it wasn’t till reach they were more than just re-skinned Spartans with slightly different sized/located hit-boxes and actually became a different way to play.

but that me being picky :slight_smile:

WOW! I thought my thread was long, but yours just blew it out the water!

OT: I certainly agree with you and after making a slightly similar thread (regarding the fanbase) myself I have realized that there is always that small group of people that are louder than anyone else, screaming negatives about everything it’s incredible.

On these forums that same group are teh ones that act as if everyone else is wrong, and that they are the most mature ones here, it’s hilarious if you ask me.

Im 99% sure that they will be proven wrong once the game comes out but may still voice their ignorant opinion.

tl;dr ignore them and move on, it’s all you can do.

> > its so funny how op says we dont have first hand experience, so we cant complaign, then he blindly praises the game.
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> Halo’s past record is proven and I don’t see why new changes to Halo 4 is going to ruin the game when every subsequent game had new changes and continued to be very successful.

LOL, Reach and Halo’s record being proven…that’s funny. I love it when people think Reach was a huge success for the Halo franchise.

> Just small error, but eites could be played in halo 3.

And Halo 2…

> Yeah…um…Halo 2 you could play as elites for the first time…sorry bud, your credibility with this post was lost when you said Reach was the first game to do so.
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> Btw, the logic you are using (you haven’t played it yet so you can’t judge)is very flawed. If we used this logic then you can’t say that what you are saying won’t break the game won’t break the game. How can you say it won’t break the game if you haven’t played it yet. This is why I hate it when people work within absolutes. No the game probably WON’T suck, but it probably WON’T be what 343i could have made it be. There are a lot of questions that need to be asked and there should be people to complain because they influence how the developers go about making changes to the game. I mean come on, how many of us are going to sit here and let them come out with something without ANY of our input and just accept it as a good game?
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> I’m sorry, you can say people are whining too much and you know that’s fine if you think that, but there are very worrisome people in the halo fan community who are concerned about the direction Halo has taken.
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> Seriously though? You shouldn’t be able to say something is a stupid decision before you’ve actually played the game? How many of us are going to say we can’t judge a presidential candidate on his policies if we haven’t experienced his policies yet? That is failed logic sir. Please try again.

If you want to put politics in this, then explain to me how easy it is to make a democrat change his view to republican. Truth is that it does not happen at all. Arguing with the OP trying to change his view is bad logic as well. You won’t get anywhere with it, the OP will fight you to the death. Also, if you really are concerned, why are you making threads where you’ll just be argued to the death and your thread will get buried? All of you who see the flaws in the game need to message or email the heads of 343 about these issues. Posting threads on these forums where there is a calvary of fanboys ready to bury your thread show failed logic. Truth be told, I hate both sides. Logic has died on the Halo forums nomatter how you look at it. In reality, you’re all looking for a fight.

Playing as an Elite was not a first for Halo: Reach. It was in both Halo 2 and Halo 3.

> Yeah…um…Halo 2 you could play as elites for the first time…sorry bud, your credibility with this post was lost when you said Reach was the first game to do so.
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> Btw, the logic you are using (you haven’t played it yet so you can’t judge)is very flawed. If we used this logic then you can’t say that what you are saying won’t break the game won’ably WON’T suck, but it probably WON’T be what 343i could have made it be. There are a lot of questions that need to be asked and there should be people to complain becat break the game. How can you say it won’t break the game if you haven’t played it yet. This is why I hate it when people work within absolutes. No the game probuse they influence how the developers go about making changes to the game. I mean come on, how many of us are going to sit here and let them come out with something without ANY of our input and just accept it as a good game?
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> I’m sorry, you can say people are whining too much and you know that’s fine if you think that, but there are very worrisome people in the halo fan community who are concerned about the direction Halo has taken.
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> Seriously though? You shouldn’t be able to say something is a stupid decision before you’ve actually played the game? How many of us are going to say we can’t judge a presidential candidate on his policies if we haven’t experienced his policies yet? That is failed logic sir. Please try again.

I was mostly referring to multiplayer aspects in regard to playing as a elite, I realize Halo 2 allowed you to play as the Arbiter in the campaign as well, I didn’t proof read, should have been in the halo 2* paragraph. I also said “I may have mixed up some facts along this journey, if so I apologize in advance.” near the end

My logic was to be if you haven’t played it the don’t complain about it, give it a chance before you bash it.

Presidential candidates? Tell me a democratic or republican presidential candidate that had no previous track record in politics. Presidential candidates aren’t just pulled out of some random small town community and put on stage.