I’ve have always been a fan of Halo. Played from the very first Halo to Halo 5. I just wanted to say that I am very happy with the progress Halo has made. They physics, the graphics, the overall game play feeling, the pace, and many things have varied over the years. Too me they have all gotten a lot better. I enjoy Halo 5 so much! I am glad that are continuously adding content. By that I don’t meaning completely new but a more modern feel to things. I also love how they have also added weapons from the past Halo such as the Halo 2 BR, Spnkr, Classic BR, CE Pistol and many more to come and some that i have not named maybe. I believe that they have done a great job with this game. Although they could use some improvements. I’m sure they are working hard and trying to get everything under control. This is a new direction for Halo and I’m sure it will be refined soon.
Which leads me to my other point. I’ve been disappointed in the community lately. This seems to only be trouble with Halo and not other games like Battlefield, Forza, and many other titles. Halo fans need to grow up and open their eyes. They are going to kill this game slowly if they don’t allow Halo to evolve with new game play mechanics. Whether it be the addition of Sprint, ADS, ground pound, the ability to climb ledges, or even new styles of weapons, armors, and more. I’ve never seen a game run by a community of clustered Nostalgia feels. Halo needs to grow. So yeah the Halo 2 BR, CE pistol, etc were all great…but those games are a part of the past. They are dead! Leave them in the past and let it the game game and move on. If you want everything the same it’ll just end up being Call of Duty. So you’ll complain about that but now they are changing things and yet you still complain. I just don’t get what you want want from them. They’ve done a lot and listened yet you still find stuff to nit pick about.
Never have I seen a game community want to drag on the past forever. Let it go.
The issue is if Halo keeps changing at this rate it actually becomes CoD.
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> The issue is if Halo keeps changing at this rate it actually becomes CoD.
Do you mean changing in the way that its changing, or changing at all?
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> The issue is if Halo keeps changing at this rate it actually becomes CoD.
Getting sick of this! H5 is nothing like COD ! What originality in your comment, a little late since this has been said since H3!
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> The issue is if Halo keeps changing at this rate it actually becomes CoD.
Far from COD. lol
Halo is great. The fan base is stuck with 2 types of people: those who accept change and those who refuse and want an exact copy of a previous halo release.
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> The issue is if Halo keeps changing at this rate it actually becomes CoD.
Actually CoD is becoming more like Halo XD
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> I’ve have always been a fan of Halo. Played from the very first Halo to Halo 5. I just wanted to say that I am very happy with the progress Halo has made. They physics, the graphics, the overall game play feeling, the pace, and many things have varied over the years. Too me they have all gotten a lot better. I enjoy Halo 5 so much! I am glad that are continuously adding content. By that I don’t meaning completely new but a more modern feel to things. I also love how they have also added weapons from the past Halo such as the Halo 2 BR, Spnkr, Classic BR, CE Pistol and many more to come and some that i have not named maybe. I believe that they have done a great job with this game. Although they could use some improvements. I’m sure they are working hard and trying to get everything under control. This is a new direction for Halo and I’m sure it will be refined soon.
> Which leads me to my other point. I’ve been disappointed in the community lately. This seems to only be trouble with Halo and not other games like Battlefield, Forza, and many other titles. Halo fans need to grow up and open their eyes. They are going to kill this game slowly if they don’t allow Halo to evolve with new game play mechanics. Whether it be the addition of Sprint, ADS, ground pound, the ability to climb ledges, or even new styles of weapons, armors, and more. I’ve never seen a game run by a community of clustered Nostalgia feels. Halo needs to grow. So yeah the Halo 2 BR, CE pistol, etc were all great…but those games are a part of the past. They are dead! Leave them in the past and let it the game game and move on. If you want everything the same it’ll just end up being Call of Duty. So you’ll complain about that but now they are changing things and yet you still complain. I just don’t get what you want want from them. They’ve done a lot and listened yet you still find stuff to nit pick about.
> Never have I seen a game community want to drag on the past forever. Let it go.
This has been going on since Halo 2. Don’t worry about it too much.
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> Halo is great. The fan base is stuck with 2 types of people: those who accept change and those who refuse and want an exact copy of a previous halo release.
That’s not even remotely true, the original fans, the ones that prefer Halo 3 and just about every other Halo over H5 don’t want a Halo 3 clone they want 343 to start with Halo 3 and build on to it from there, they don’t want a clean slate like 343 keeps doing with their Halo games, that coincidentally keep failing. If you look at other games that hardly ever change or changed in this case like Call of Duty you’ll see they had the most fans when they kept true to the original formula instead of changing, after Black Ops 2 is when the fanbase started to decrease the same thing with H4, after H4 Halos fanbase decreased and keeps lowering with every game and by the looks of things H6 will be the lowest, because people like me, people who love Halo don’t like and even hate 343’s version of Halo, I love Halo, but I don’t blindly accept change thats either unwanted or unnecessary. I’ve been playing Halo since day one I was a Halo fanboy and got every Halo game day one since then, I also defended 343 after H4 and TMCC, but for the third time they spat in the community’s face and I’m done defending them. I know people don’t care that people like me are leaving, but you’ll care when you’re playing with the same 100 or so people everyday.
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> > Halo is great. The fan base is stuck with 2 types of people: those who accept change and those who refuse and want an exact copy of a previous halo release.
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> That’s not even remotely true, the original fans, the ones that prefer Halo 3 and just about every other Halo over H5 don’t want a Halo 3 clone they want 343 to start with Halo 3 and build on to it from there, they don’t want a clean slate like 343 keeps doing with their Halo games, that coincidentally keep failing. If you look at other games that hardly ever change or changed in this case like Call of Duty you’ll see they had the most fans when they kept true to the original formula instead of changing, after Black Ops 2 is when the fanbase started to decrease the same thing with H4, after H4 Halos fanbase decreased and keeps lowering with every game and by the looks of things H6 will be the lowest, because people like me, people who love Halo don’t like and even hate 343’s version of Halo, I love Halo, but I don’t blindly accept change thats either unwanted or unnecessary. I’ve been playing Halo since day one I was a Halo fanboy and got every Halo game day one since then, I also defended 343 after H4 and TMCC, but for the third time they spat in the community’s face and I’m done defending them. I know people don’t care that people like me are leaving, but you’ll care when you’re playing with the same 100 or so people everyday.
So you have to prefer H3 to be an ‘original fan’? I also have played since CE and really enjoy H5. Sure it should have been released later with more content but things are being added without paying extra for them. Look at destiny for an ‘incomplete game’ that charges to make it complete.
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> > That’s not even remotely true, the original fans, the ones that prefer Halo 3 and just about every other Halo over H5 don’t want a Halo 3 clone they want 343 to start with Halo 3 and build on to it from there, they don’t want a clean slate like 343 keeps doing with their Halo games, that coincidentally keep failing. If you look at other games that hardly ever change or changed in this case like Call of Duty you’ll see they had the most fans when they kept true to the original formula instead of changing, after Black Ops 2 is when the fanbase started to decrease the same thing with H4, after H4 Halos fanbase decreased and keeps lowering with every game and by the looks of things H6 will be the lowest, because people like me, people who love Halo don’t like and even hate 343’s version of Halo, I love Halo, but I don’t blindly accept change thats either unwanted or unnecessary. I’ve been playing Halo since day one I was a Halo fanboy and got every Halo game day one since then, I also defended 343 after H4 and TMCC, but for the third time they spat in the community’s face and I’m done defending them. I know people don’t care that people like me are leaving, but you’ll care when you’re playing with the same 100 or so people everyday.
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> So you have to prefer H3 to be an ‘original fan’? I also have played since CE and really enjoy H5. Sure it should have been released later with more content but things are being added without paying extra for them. Look at destiny for an ‘incomplete game’ that charges to make it complete.
I never said that you had to like Halo 3 to be an original fan, I said the ones that prefer Halo 3 are generally original fans. To be honest my favorite Halo game is 2 and my friends is Reach, but he acknowledges the fact that Reach was the start of Halos downfall and agrees that 343 should go back to original formula that never had a chance to fail. H5 doesn’t have a soul, I don’t enjoy myself while playing and I don’t get any Halo vibes from it, in fact if it were reskinned I wouldn’t even acuse it of trying to copy Halo, I’m not the only one who thinks this either, I’m just one of the few that still cares enough to try and do something about it.
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> Halo is great. The fan base is stuck with 2 types of people: those who accept change and those who refuse and want an exact copy of a previous halo release.
Unfortunately for you and 343i, the type of people that resist drastic change in the game rather than building off the core of the previous game (you know like how most series are done) are exponentially more numerous than the people enjoying the latest iteration of halo.
The funny thing is, is that changing is what’s slowly killing Halo. The original Halos were amazing games, and Halos 2 and 3 were at the top for a long while. Tell me, which one of the new, “evolved” Halos has shared the same success as the originals? In terms of player retention, longevity, and overall popularity?
Halo: Reach is the only Halo that slightly deviated from the original formula and was still somewhat popular. Halo 4 was a huge failure and Halo 5, while a very fun game, lacks many things that previous Halos have had, therefore causing many people to leave. The mechanics of Halo 5 also put off a lot of people. I personally don’t mind them, as I feel they’re very fun to use, but I know they don’t belong in Halo and would be glad to see them gone.
I am so sick of arguments like these. You like Halo 5? Fine! Don’t let me stop you, but don’t act like this version of Halo is so much more superior to that of old, 'cause the truth is that it isn’t. What exactly makes it inferior is debatable, but it really isn’t better than any of the previous Halo games save for Halo 4 to an extent. When I read posts on Waypoint criticizing Halo 5 and everything wrong with it, I pretty much never see anyone say that they want an exact clone of a previous Halo game (not saying that there aren’t people who do think that, but that they are a much smaller minority than people here claim). They say they want a Halo game that has the same baseline of content and customization as old Halos as well as the formula that made it successful.
After being on the forums for a few months, you’ll notice people will complain about the littlest things. Some of the errors in Halo 5 are reasonably large, but it’s still my favorite.
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> I’ve have always been a fan of Halo. Played from the very first Halo to Halo 5. I just wanted to say that I am very happy with the progress Halo has made. They physics, the graphics, the overall game play feeling, the pace, and many things have varied over the years. Too me they have all gotten a lot better. I enjoy Halo 5 so much! I am glad that are continuously adding content. By that I don’t meaning completely new but a more modern feel to things. I also love how they have also added weapons from the past Halo such as the Halo 2 BR, Spnkr, Classic BR, CE Pistol and many more to come and some that i have not named maybe. I believe that they have done a great job with this game. Although they could use some improvements. I’m sure they are working hard and trying to get everything under control. This is a new direction for Halo and I’m sure it will be refined soon.
> Which leads me to my other point. I’ve been disappointed in the community lately. This seems to only be trouble with Halo and not other games like Battlefield, Forza, and many other titles. Halo fans need to grow up and open their eyes. They are going to kill this game slowly if they don’t allow Halo to evolve with new game play mechanics. Whether it be the addition of Sprint, ADS, ground pound, the ability to climb ledges, or even new styles of weapons, armors, and more. I’ve never seen a game run by a community of clustered Nostalgia feels. Halo needs to grow. So yeah the Halo 2 BR, CE pistol, etc were all great…but those games are a part of the past. They are dead! Leave them in the past and let it the game game and move on. If you want everything the same it’ll just end up being Call of Duty. So you’ll complain about that but now they are changing things and yet you still complain. I just don’t get what you want want from them. They’ve done a lot and listened yet you still find stuff to nit pick about.
> Never have I seen a game community want to drag on the past forever. Let it go.
First question.
Who makes the game? The community? Or the developers?
The latter? Okay, those are those who are pulling the strings, the community can’t force the developer to not do something, or do another thing.
Can the developer take feedback? Does the developer take feedback? Sure does.
Second question, are you happy with Halo 5? Do you enjoy that there are no AA’s, global custom loadouts, no bloom, nerfed sprint, de-scoping is back in and no grenade indicator?
Are these things the way they are because i343 themselves looked at Halo 4 and Reach and decided to do it the way Halo 5 went, or is it because of massive community feedback?
So, if you’re happy with Halo 5 and how current things are, or if you’re happy with most of the decisions made for Halo 5 in regards to what was changed and cut, who do you think you should thank? The part of the community praising Halo 4 and accepting with open arms? Or perhaps those critical of just those features and mechanics I listed. Those who you claim should allow Halo to evolve.
Lastly, I’m so tired of seeing this misunderstood mindset. In my four or so years on this board, and nine or so years on the Bungie forum, I have seen about three or four individuals who outright said they wanted a carbon copy of a prior Halo game, and one of those was a very transparent troll.
In my opinion, and from my experience, it has never ever been about not letting Halo not evolve, it has never been about not letting Halo change. It has always been about the general direction to which Halo is changing. I want Halo to change, but I can’t wrap my mind around why it should change towards what basically every other modern shooter is doing, and in turn become a modern shooter itself.
Elaborating on that opinion, and those who misunderstand it. The issue here is that whenever someone is critical of a gameplay mechanic or feature, it is immediately assumed that the person putting forth those opinions never have suggested one single suggestion on how Halo should change instead of what he/she is complaining about. It’s like everyone who is critical of something need to in the same post suggest an alternative, or another idea to replace what they’re critical of, or break out that game design document and describe their perfect Halo. The following problem then when a critical person finally does explain an idea, it’s too much like old Halo, it’s Halo X.5, that idea is bad, that idea does not replicate the replaced function and so forth. Or better yet, completely ignored by those who it’s targeted. I have yet to see an idea in a heated discussion being looked upon un-biased.
So, why are we moving towards modern shooters?
Couldn’t we instead work on the original trilogy which is deemed to be good?
I for one have suggested multi-gravitational maps accompanied by zero gravity combat functioning entirely different than normal ground battle
I’ve talked about a survival mode worthy of the name “next-gen-survival”.
I’ve seen suggestions about alternative fire modes, like the Plasma pistol and Plasma caster has.
I’ve thought about how Forerunner weapons could be made far more interesting by being modular instead of being re-skinned versions of existing weapons with a few minor stat changes.
Most of these things have however met quite a lot of resistance by “pro-modernists” saying it’s Halo X.5 and so forth though, without elaborating on what kind of change is needed and how much of it.
I’ve seen one person say Vermintide must be one boring game because it lacks sprint, and that was the only thing said about Vermintide in that discussion, that it lacks sprint. Nothing else about the gameplay, story, setting etc.
“Vermintide is quite a new FPS lacking sprint”
“Well that sounds like a very boring game”
Doom got its development restarted because the developers thought it to be Call of Doom, now we have, well you’ve probably seen the trailers. I think it’s glorious and I can’t wait for it.
Does Call of Duty change? Or does it not?
If it doesn’t, CoD does one thing right then, capitalize on what made it good by not trading it away for the next new big thing.
I could also tell you about DotA 2, SC2 and CS:GO, three major games today that barely changed anything from their predecessors.
Then I can talk about Duke Nukem: Forever and Command and Conquer 4, two games very different from their predecessors.
To summarise, its not that Halo changes that’s the problem, it’s in which way it changes that’s an issue for many.
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> I’ve have always been a fan of Halo. Played from the very first Halo to Halo 5. I just wanted to say that I am very happy with the progress Halo has made. They physics, the graphics, the overall game play feeling, the pace, and many things have varied over the years. Too me they have all gotten a lot better. I enjoy Halo 5 so much! I am glad that are continuously adding content. By that I don’t meaning completely new but a more modern feel to things. I also love how they have also added weapons from the past Halo such as the Halo 2 BR, Spnkr, Classic BR, CE Pistol and many more to come and some that i have not named maybe. I believe that they have done a great job with this game. Although they could use some improvements. I’m sure they are working hard and trying to get everything under control. This is a new direction for Halo and I’m sure it will be refined soon.
> Which leads me to my other point. I’ve been disappointed in the community lately. This seems to only be trouble with Halo and not other games like Battlefield, Forza, and many other titles. Halo fans need to grow up and open their eyes. They are going to kill this game slowly if they don’t allow Halo to evolve with new game play mechanics. Whether it be the addition of Sprint, ADS, ground pound, the ability to climb ledges, or even new styles of weapons, armors, and more. I’ve never seen a game run by a community of clustered Nostalgia feels. Halo needs to grow. So yeah the Halo 2 BR, CE pistol, etc were all great…but those games are a part of the past. They are dead! Leave them in the past and let it the game game and move on. If you want everything the same it’ll just end up being Call of Duty. So you’ll complain about that but now they are changing things and yet you still complain. I just don’t get what you want want from them. They’ve done a lot and listened yet you still find stuff to nit pick about.
> Never have I seen a game community want to drag on the past forever. Let it go.
Let’s not re-write the history.
Halo started “evolving” in a given way (= changing well-established mechanics + adding some others that were never really asked), then it started killing a significant portion of its community. The state of the community nowadays is the results of constant divise and disputable “evolutions” that have been forced into the game, changing a unique, but widely adopted methodical arena-like gameplay into… something different, less unique, more generic.
Whether some people prefer this new gameplay, I can totally understand that. But let’s not make as if the original gameplay which had so many players addicted did not drastically change in such a way I have yet to see in another gaming licence.
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> > I’ve have always been a fan of Halo. Played from the very first Halo to Halo 5. I just wanted to say that I am very happy with the progress Halo has made. They physics, the graphics, the overall game play feeling, the pace, and many things have varied over the years. Too me they have all gotten a lot better. I enjoy Halo 5 so much! I am glad that are continuously adding content. By that I don’t meaning completely new but a more modern feel to things. I also love how they have also added weapons from the past Halo such as the Halo 2 BR, Spnkr, Classic BR, CE Pistol and many more to come and some that i have not named maybe. I believe that they have done a great job with this game. Although they could use some improvements. I’m sure they are working hard and trying to get everything under control. This is a new direction for Halo and I’m sure it will be refined soon.
> > Which leads me to my other point. I’ve been disappointed in the community lately. This seems to only be trouble with Halo and not other games like Battlefield, Forza, and many other titles. Halo fans need to grow up and open their eyes. They are going to kill this game slowly if they don’t allow Halo to evolve with new game play mechanics. Whether it be the addition of Sprint, ADS, ground pound, the ability to climb ledges, or even new styles of weapons, armors, and more. I’ve never seen a game run by a community of clustered Nostalgia feels. Halo needs to grow. So yeah the Halo 2 BR, CE pistol, etc were all great…but those games are a part of the past. They are dead! Leave them in the past and let it the game game and move on. If you want everything the same it’ll just end up being Call of Duty. So you’ll complain about that but now they are changing things and yet you still complain. I just don’t get what you want want from them. They’ve done a lot and listened yet you still find stuff to nit pick about.
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> Halo started “evolving” in a given way (= changing well-established mechanics + adding some others that were never really asked), then it started killing a significant portion of its community. The state of the community nowadays is the results of constant divise and disputable “evolutions” that have been forced into the game, changing a unique, but widely adopted methodical arena-like gameplay into… something different, less unique, more generic.
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> Whether some people prefer this new gameplay, I can totally understand that. But let’s not make as if the original gameplay which had so many players addicted did not drastically change in such a way I have yet to see in another gaming licence.
Command and Conquer 3 to Command and Conquer 4
Duke Nukem to Duke Nukem Forever
Dawn of War to Dawn of War 2
HoMM 3 to HoMM 4
Fallout 2 to Fallout 3
Morrowing to Oblivion to Skyrim
Warcarft 2 to Warcraft 3
Diablo 2 to Diablo 3
Some of these are probably less than others, but I think they all fit the description of rather massive changes between two iterations in a franchise. Some also getting quite a lot of negative criticism for it.
I agree OP
> They’ve done a lot and listened yet you still find stuff to nit pick about.
Yeah, I’m still waiting for 343 to say they won’t use misleading advertising for their campaign or outright lie about aspects of the narrative or refrain from insulting people who didn’t like a part of the story. If this represents the new 343 then I don’t know if I want any part of it. I’m waiting to see what the future brings, but Halo 5 has proven to be an eye-opener.
I’m old. Old enough that I’ve passionately played every single Halo. When 343 took over, I was excited at first. Then came Halo 4. It was the only Halo that took away what made Halo, to me.
Loadouts. Ordinance drops. No power weapon spawns. Killcam. Grenade hit marker. Recoil. Abilities and perks. Everything that is basically a CoD copycat. Hated it. The MM was horrible.
Halo MCC. A good step in the right direction. But I was so disappointed. It was a remake of the old games, but lacked half the content they had when they were released. And this game is why I lost faith in 343i.
Then comes along Halo 5. SO much classic Halo returning to me. No killcam. Power weapons return. Everyone starts with equal loadout. Sure, it’s missing content (Fileshare please!), but they are on the right track. Halo 5 is an evolved Halo 3 (yes, it’s also my favorite). And the MM brings back the good times I had on the classic games.