I put the game down a year ago and one of the things back then that was the worst was the fact that the person driving the warthog would get barely any points for multiple wheelmans.
I picked it up the other day and its the same. I CANNOT bring my self to believe that after 5 updates and hundreds of halo fans working on the game that they haven’t fixed this. It’s pathetic to be honest.
I can get 30+ wheelmans and be below someone with 5 kills, how is that just? The driver is crucial and should be rewarded as such. It’s the most iconic vehicle in the game and the driver is completely left out.
The only thing driving a warthog accomplishes is getting your wheelman commendation. Unfortunately that’s about all you get unless you splatter some enemies. On the flipside, it sure helps at the beginning of a match to keep the opposing team from taking a base.
Because wheelman aren’t putting damage out. 30 wheelman may act as assists but no damage doesn’t help. Getting Flag Driver medals helps a little but you need to actively participate with damage too.
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> Because wheelman aren’t putting damage out. 30 wheelman may act as assists but no damage doesn’t help. Getting Flag Driver medals helps a little but you need to actively participate with damage too.
Yeah but good driving is AS important as good gunning, it should be rewarded with the same or very close to points. A good warthog can turn he tide of a whole game.
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> And then there’s Firefight, which awards nothing for being a wheelman.
WZ in general doesn’t reward anything for being a good driver, which is shame. Then again, WZ’s req point gain needs an entire overhaul. It’s just not good for getting assists period. All you can do is just try to splatter people and hope you dont get hijacked in a warthog.
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> > Because wheelman aren’t putting damage out. 30 wheelman may act as assists but no damage doesn’t help. Getting Flag Driver medals helps a little but you need to actively participate with damage too.
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> Yeah but good driving is AS important as good gunning, it should be rewarded with the same or very close to points. A good warthog can turn he tide of a whole game.
This. In a game that is supposed to promote teamwork (lookin’ at YOU, Achilles armor), this is a poor way to encourage people to take two/three man vehicles.
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> > Because wheelman aren’t putting damage out. 30 wheelman may act as assists but no damage doesn’t help. Getting Flag Driver medals helps a little but you need to actively participate with damage too.
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> Yeah but good driving is AS important as good gunning, it should be rewarded with the same or very close to points. A good warthog can turn he tide of a whole game.
I’d take a good driver and a meh gunner over a meh driver and good gunner any day. The driver is the most important part of that combo since it is mainly their actions that keep the warthog in one piece. I agree with you, it’d be nice if you got some credit for driving. I’ve been in many a FF driving a warthog for the entire game only to be really low on the scoreboard at the end.
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> > > Because wheelman aren’t putting damage out. 30 wheelman may act as assists but no damage doesn’t help. Getting Flag Driver medals helps a little but you need to actively participate with damage too.
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> > Yeah but good driving is AS important as good gunning, it should be rewarded with the same or very close to points. A good warthog can turn he tide of a whole game.
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> I’d take a good driver and a meh gunner over a meh driver and good gunner any day. The driver is the most important part of that combo since it is mainly their actions that keep the warthog in one piece. I agree with you, it’d be nice if you got some credit for driving. I’ve been in many a FF driving a warthog for the entire game only to be really low on the scoreboard at the end.
Exactly. I find it really bizarre that the designers who are heavily involved in the halo universe would overlook such a crucial thing in the game. Warthogs to many are part of the essential halo experience, I have no idea why they haven’t fixed this yet.
It’s frequently mentioned all over the internet and on Xbox live chat. Pretty sure their company is losing a lot of respect for something that is incredibly easy to fix.
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> > > Because wheelman aren’t putting damage out. 30 wheelman may act as assists but no damage doesn’t help. Getting Flag Driver medals helps a little but you need to actively participate with damage too.
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> > Yeah but good driving is AS important as good gunning, it should be rewarded with the same or very close to points. A good warthog can turn he tide of a whole game.
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> This. In a game that is supposed to promote teamwork (lookin’ at YOU, Achilles armor), this is a poor way to encourage people to take two/three man vehicles.
It just occurred to me, that fully occupied vehicles should give a point bonus to all occupants, we should be scrambling to fill warthogs/wraiths/tanks/gooeses (geese??). Imagine the havoc you could wreak with a good wheelman in an Oni hog, with a passenger that has The Answer.
Agree. No one wants to drive, and good drivers make a hog dominant. Gunning isn’t really hard, but driving effectively is hard. I stink at it. Always get us both killed. A good driver should be rewarded.
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> I put the game down a year ago and one of the things back then that was the worst was the fact that the person driving the warthog would get barely any points for multiple wheelmans.
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> I picked it up the other day and its the same. I CANNOT bring my self to believe that after 5 updates and hundreds of halo fans working on the game that they haven’t fixed this. It’s pathetic to be honest.
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> I can get 30+ wheelmans and be below someone with 5 kills, how is that just? The driver is crucial and should be rewarded as such. It’s the most iconic vehicle in the game and the driver is completely left out.
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> Why?
In WZ points are pointless. Only the win matters. In WZF it’s a serious problem however.
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> Because wheelman aren’t putting damage out. 30 wheelman may act as assists but no damage doesn’t help. Getting Flag Driver medals helps a little but you need to actively participate with damage too.
I think they should get more points, primarily because they need to get more RP/XP for a ton of wheel man. Some secondary reasons should be for the recognition and to acknowledge that going 3-30-7 is a greater contribution than someone who went 5-0-0. The current system does not reward drivers and because of that, there are very few people who are good at driving a warthog.
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> > > > Because wheelman aren’t putting damage out. 30 wheelman may act as assists but no damage doesn’t help. Getting Flag Driver medals helps a little but you need to actively participate with damage too.
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> > > Yeah but good driving is AS important as good gunning, it should be rewarded with the same or very close to points. A good warthog can turn he tide of a whole game.
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> > This. In a game that is supposed to promote teamwork (lookin’ at YOU, Achilles armor), this is a poor way to encourage people to take two/three man vehicles.
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> It just occurred to me, that fully occupied vehicles should give a point bonus to all occupants, we should be scrambling to fill warthogs/wraiths/tanks/gooeses (geese??). Imagine the havoc you could wreak with a good wheelman in an Oni hog, with a passenger that has The Answer.
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> ^.^
I think that would be awesome. Unlike most people, I love being the passenger the most and it’s what I’m best at. Today I just got a triple kill with a Hailstorm lol. But yes, grenades and high powered launchers and other weapons are abundant as well which is always nice. People usually seem to get frustrated when someone rides shotgun but I feel that I help to make the gunners job easier and I would love for the crews of full vehicles to be rewarded.
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> > Because wheelman aren’t putting damage out. 30 wheelman may act as assists but no damage doesn’t help. Getting Flag Driver medals helps a little but you need to actively participate with damage too.
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> Say damage again, I don’t think we heard you.
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> That damage is impossible without a good driver.
You aren’t physically doing it. The game doesn’t look at it that way because that’s how it’s set up. Assists earned normally are via damage-done. No one said it was fair. Just like in either Reach or H4, getting 0 kills in a game looked like idling to the system, but some players were so bad they’d go multiple games without one and get ASK banned because that’s how the system saw it. It’s how things are programmed.
Wheelman aren’t hard assists like damage-based ones because you aren’t making the physical contribution…and if you are a GOOD driver with a GOOD gunner, you can easily net 50 “assists” in a match. Normally speaking, average players hit around 10 Assists via shooting in a BTB match. If you drive alot and can net 20-30 wheelman, then they shouldn’t be worth as much. It should only be about half, assuming that’s the way it’s set up. I’ve played plenty of matches with GOOD drivers and easily can net them over 50 wheelman. So if anything, it’s probably to help keep exploiting for easy CO gains by boosting on that when it’s so easy to stat on BRB Objective.
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> > That damage is impossible without a good driver.
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> You aren’t physically doing it. The game doesn’t look at it that way because that’s how it’s set up. Assists earned normally are via damage-done. No one said it was fair. Just like in either Reach or H4, getting 0 kills in a game looked like idling to the system, but some players were so bad they’d go multiple games without one and get ASK banned because that’s how the system saw it. It’s how things are programmed.
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> Wheelman aren’t hard assists like damage-based ones because you aren’t making the physical contribution…and if you are a GOOD driver with a GOOD gunner, you can easily net 50 “assists” in a match. Normally speaking, average players hit around 10 Assists via shooting in a BTB match. If you drive alot and can net 20-30 wheelman, then they shouldn’t be worth as much. It should only be about half, assuming that’s the way it’s set up. I’ve played plenty of matches with GOOD drivers and easily can net them over 50 wheelman. So if anything, it’s probably to help keep exploiting for easy CO gains by boosting on that when it’s so easy to stat on BRB Objective.
The problem here is you are not valuing properly the contribution of the driver, who is ESSENSIAL to the gunner getting the kills which WIN the match. There is no point saying the “game does this or that” because the system in place is at fault.
Wheelmans absolutely should be worth their salt, if you haven’t been taken down buy the enemy team, which is VERY easy with sniper/rockets/laser then you should be rewarded as such. They are not even close to half the points as assists. Yesterday I got 42 wheelmans and came below someone with a few kills and was bottom of he leader board.
Frankly it’s broken and needs to be fixed, I don’t really see any form of debate over such a obvious mistake.