It's okay to criticize this game

It’s okay to criticize this game for the limited campaign with its distinct linearity, generic structure and repetitive gunfights (Promethean Knights, Watchers and Crawlers fill every room).

It’s okay to criticize this game for the incredibly disappointing and lazy Spartan Ops feature that is devoid of any creativity.

It’s okay to criticize this game for the multiplayer component that sometimes feels like self-torture

It’s also okay to praise this game for a multiplayer that, when it works, is sometimes fantastic.

But the main point of this thread is that it’s okay to criticize this game. Just because it’s a Halo game doesn’t mean it is immune.

The bottom line is we all WANT to see this succeed and be a great game

Not having played it yet, my opinion may be irrelevant, but I agree. No game should be immune to criticism. Just because 343i made some good strides in some areas, doesnt excuse them if they drop the ball in others.

I want 343 to know when they are doing wrong. Just because they are selling me something doesn’t mean they know everything about it.

> It’s okay to criticize this game for the limited campaign with its distinct linearity, generic structure and repetitive gunfights (Promethean Knights, Watchers and Crawlers fill every room).
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> It’s okay to criticize this game for the incredibly disappointing and lazy Spartan Ops feature that is devoid of any creativity.
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> It’s okay to criticize this game for the multiplayer component that sometimes feels like self-torture
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> It’s also okay to praise this game for a multiplayer that, when it works, is sometimes fantastic.
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> But the main point of this thread is that it’s okay to criticize this game. Just because it’s a Halo game doesn’t mean it is immune.
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> The bottom line is we all WANT to see this succeed and be a great game

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People didn’t buy the game just to hate on it.

Thats True, despite the disagreements. we all want the same thing. for Halo succeed.

Constructive criticism is okay.

But when your attitude is “This game sucks, it fails, there’s nothing good about it, and I have no actual facts or intelligent thoughts to support my arguments,” then it’s irritating.

I just honestly want Halo to be Halo again. That is all I want. If I wanted to play Call of Duty. I would have bought BLOPS2.

I have always been open to discussing criticism of anything - so long as it’s constructive and fair.

What I, and I think a lot of people who’ve enjoyed Halo 4, object to are the hghly emotive threads asserting that Halo 4 is an absolute disaster and that various things need to be ‘fixed’ (ie changed in line with a certain person’s PoV) or it will wreck the game.
Especially when you see those threads coming from people who were asserting Halo 4 would suck BEFORE it was released, and thus have never been open minded about it.

It’s OK to criticize the game OP, but what you’re not realizing, is that the majority of people who criticize the game don’t give any reason as to why certain aspects don’t work.

For example, someone doesn’t like ordinance. Instead of saying why, they’d just say it’s “exactly like CoD” and not go into detail as to why it’s not right.

I don’t like certain ordinance drops. My reasoning? Overshield, speed boost, and damage boost destroy the main aspect of having a fair and equal fight. “We have the same weapons? Too bad, I got the damage boost because the ordinance system is completely random so I just got lucky and now I win.”

Yes, it’s okay to criticize this game. I myself have a few gripes with the story that I won’t get in to.

It’s not okay for a forum dedicated to Halo 4 to be filled with nothing except hate threads about Halo 4 and people posting the same exact complaints over and over again. I’m not saying that Halo 4 is perfect, but is it really so terrible that there’s no room for anything other than complaints on the forums?

All games can and SHOULD be criticized… so long as it is constructive and not mindless hate.

What I, and I think a lot of people who’ve enjoyed Halo 4, object to are the hghly emotive threads asserting that Halo 4 is an absolute disaster and that various things need to be ‘fixed’ (ie changed in line with a certain person’s PoV) or it will wreck the game.
Especially when you see those threads coming from people who were asserting Halo 4 would suck BEFORE it was released, and thus have never been open minded about it.
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But I think the people blindly defending need to see that if there are a large number of complaints on the same thing, it probably needs to change. That isn’t changing it for someone’s personal interest, it is a serious flaw in game balance.

For instance saying that the DMR will beat the assualt rifle in your face is false, and I saw that in a thread. Interestingly enough he was the ONLY guy to mention. The rest of the thread talked about: descoping, flinch, instant spawn, promethean vision, ordinance drop, and the list goes on. Those are legitimate issues and if you don’t see them as that then you simply don’t know Halo. Sorry to put it bluntly, but true.

> I just honestly want Halo to be Halo again. That is all I want. If I wanted to play Call of Duty. I would have bought BLOPS2.

I can sort of see that, but using the old and nothing new can also kill a franchise, I left the Tekken fanbase for along time caus enothing nrw was added.

The other difference between criticism and the people on these forums, is that there are many who think that a game should be bent and changed in order to improve their skill.

People are out DMR’d or killed by the Boltshot, thus, they claim it is OP and then come on to these forums in hopes that it will change to make them all of a sudden better.

I would hate to see Halo die off but the thing is, it will if it 343i continues down the same path they are going. I don’t want to play a game with loadouts, perks, and armor abilities, I wanna play Halo.

Criticism is a good thing, but only when it’s actually constructive.

Blind hate is rarely ever helpful or constructive, and is usually either someone just sitting out and seeing how many people he/she can piss off or someone who is stuck in rage-mode and isn’t a pleasure to deal with. There’s blind hate on a lot of titles, actually every game I can possibly think of, that all amounts to the same thing and is usually from a series taking a shift one direction or the other. So, I don’t put a lot of stock into it because it’s usually just baseless “I want this minor feature” when the game doesn’t explicitly cater itself to that one individual (in other words, they’re of an extreme minority asking for a feature or removal of a feature).

Most of the stuff on this board is blind hate. (“The campaign sucks,” “It’s not Halo,” “It’s COD,” “It’s stupid and the multiplayer sucks so let me go buy Blops 2 because that’ll be such a better game” etc…). Which is fine to feel, everyone has personal feelings and subjective opinions they adhere to, but it gets irritating when every last one of those people pour out their rage into a concentrated word form to post to the forums. Sometimes it does let, at least me, see some things from a new perspective – like the DMR issue – but not much outside of that. (It’s a FPS, I really didn’t expect the campaign to be as open as a RPG so the linearity didn’t bother me. I don’t expect fantastic story telling experiences from FPS’s either, so I was pretty impressed with H4’s and felt like it still stood with keeping Halo, Halo and not COD, or some other FPS with a mindless campaign full of holes).

Not everyone will ever like the same game, not everyone will like every story told, not everyone will enjoy the same food and pastries.

But when people say things, like

“The DMR weapon is imbalanced because it often outpreforms the other weapons at their respective ranges – here’s some evidence to substantiate my claim” it’s easier to go at it with a level head and really consider what that person is saying. Same thing with the competitive ranks – saying “Oh, you need it or your game sucks” doesn’t draw in the attention and listeners that a well thought out argument to have it in would – there was such an argument, somewhere on the board, and if more people approached the complaints they had in such a civil matter then more people would listen and they might be able to get enough support for it to warrant a look at from 343. (Because, really, I doubt 343 takes the “DMR SUCKS I’M QUITTING” that seriously).

tl;dr: Critique is good when it’s levelheaded and helpful. It’s not good when it’s blindhate and outright bashing.

I laugh at all these replies. You guys state that constructive criticism is fine but in a few threads people have laid out intelligent and well thought out arguments to certain changes , only to be met by some of the posters in this thread with blind following. Saying the game is perfect quit trying to change it to Halo 3 just go play that if you want.

The fact is most of the people who post threads about this game want should have already been added to the game.

Me I want this:

Ranked playlist 4v4, BTB, Lone wolf, Swat etc etc. Remove DMR, sprint, AA’s, ordinance, perks and place weapons on the map with set times of spawn. Change the spawns to were I don’t spawn in front of a guy who just killed me but I also don’t want a guy who I just killed spawning behind me. Give me a number rank beside my name so I have something to shoot for and will most likely never get.

In my opinion this would make for a great and competitive Halo 4 and I personally would never leave this playlist. As it stands I doubt I will be able to keep my attention on infinity slayer for much longer.

As a 10-year fan, it hurts me to see what Halo 4 could have been, should have been, and then see what it is right now. There’s still a lot of work to be done.

Halo 5? I’m hoping I don’t have to wait that long to see the potential of the Halo franchise be met.

> I laugh at all these replies. You guys state that constructive criticism is fine but in a few threads people have laid out intelligent and well thought out arguments to certain changes , only to be met by some of the posters in this thread with blind following. Saying the game is perfect quit trying to change it to Halo 3 just go play that if you want.
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> The fact is most of the people who post threads about this game want should have already been added to the game.
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> Me I want this:
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> Ranked playlist 4v4, BTB, Lone wolf, Swat etc etc. Remove DMR, sprint, AA’s, ordinance, perks and place weapons on the map with set times of spawn. Change the spawns to were I don’t spawn in front of a guy who just killed me but I also don’t want a guy who I just killed spawning behind me. Give me a number rank beside my name so I have something to shoot for and will most likely never get.
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> In my opinion this would make for a great and competitive Halo 4 and I personally would never leave this playlist. As it stands I doubt I will be able to keep my attention on infinity slayer for much longer.

Well, Removing the DMR is a pretty extreme, and I’m sorry, dumb idea. Nerfing/boosting weapons is one thing, but to remove them… Yeah, that is a bad suggestion/criticism of the game.

> > I laugh at all these replies. You guys state that constructive criticism is fine but in a few threads people have laid out intelligent and well thought out arguments to certain changes , only to be met by some of the posters in this thread with blind following. Saying the game is perfect quit trying to change it to Halo 3 just go play that if you want.
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> > The fact is most of the people who post threads about this game want should have already been added to the game.
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> > Me I want this:
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> > Ranked playlist 4v4, BTB, Lone wolf, Swat etc etc. Remove DMR, sprint, AA’s, ordinance, perks and place weapons on the map with set times of spawn. Change the spawns to were I don’t spawn in front of a guy who just killed me but I also don’t want a guy who I just killed spawning behind me. Give me a number rank beside my name so I have something to shoot for and will most likely never get.
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> > In my opinion this would make for a great and competitive Halo 4 and I personally would never leave this playlist. As it stands I doubt I will be able to keep my attention on infinity slayer for much longer.
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> Well, Removing the DMR is a pretty extreme, and I’m sorry, dumb idea. Nerfing/boosting weapons is one thing, but to remove them… Yeah, that is a bad suggestion/criticism of the game.

Yeah, whenever someone says “Remove this” it ticks me off. I mean, a lot of graphic design, programming, and engineering went into making whatever they want removed to happen, and just because they’re selfish and ignorant, they want the game to be as moldable as clay because they aren’t satisfied.

It’s all about rebalancing. For example, the DMR. Just make it shoot slower. Right now it kills faster than any other weapon, with hitscan and no bloom. It needs to shoot slower so that the Battle Rifle can kill faster than it. This would be balanced by the fact that the Battle Rifle has a much smaller zoom than the DMR, and the DMR’s hitscan and accuracy/recoil would make it much better and longer ranges, and would make these two weapons fit much more in their roles.