I agree we should atleast get the option to turn it off no hate just like fighting other console players.
Excuse me, I’m doing no such thing, thanks. Bigotry isn’t good.
343i,“We don’t want to give players that option, and that’s all that matters”
Lol, who knows… Probably on their long list of things to do if I had to guess…
Crossplay is only able to be turned off in Ranked sadly.
It needs to be available in all modes.
ESPECIALLY Tactical Slayer.
I just played two matches in a row.
M&K players were the MVPs on both teams with the majority of the kills.
IE - My team won first match and I only scored 9 kills while the MVPs of both teams kill-count totaled to more than 50.
Second match one of the enemies left, and despite us having a numbers advantage; the M&K players were both on the enemy team, resulting in a loss of 37-50.
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This is just uneducated guesses though, best to ignore it. Halo uses dedicated servers, PC players don’t host matches just as consoles don’t host matches. The desync is down to the netcode, simple. It doesn’t matter how much traction it gains, the developers know PC players are not the cause of the desync. There are plenty of crossplay games that don’t have this level of desync.
Technically speaking, the xbox isnt that dissimilar to a pc anyway, it literally runs a modified version of windows 10 as its OS. It even uses standard .exe executables, they are just compiled differently to use the xbox specific library’s. They use the exact same content packages as the ones found on the windows store.
There is reason. The publisher is heavily invested in both platforms. There is also the player population to consider. If you were to disable crossplay, that would most likely result in more matches being placed in out of region servers, not less.
Not true. It separates by control method, not platform. Controller only does not disable crossplay, it just disables the use of mouse and keyboard, which can also be used on an xbox afaik.
How are you able to tell what control method a user is using? Do you have some additional tools that are not available to the wider audience?
Please tell me you are not assuming that because you lost in a match to someone the other players MUST have been using something that wasn’t available to you.
The TOP players, the absolute cream of the crop, the ones that are sponsored and are paid to play halo professionally have stated over and over that a controller is the best method for playing halo. Are you saying your experience rivals that of players that are at the literal top of the game?
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This whole cross-play thing is a terrible business decision that game companies have decided to implement - without the option to opt-out.
I think it’s a horrible trend we’re seeing - forced cross-play, in the attempt to make more money (ie, “squeeze” the player base).
Cross-play has very little benefit for the player - and what benefit there is - has been trashed by forcing it on players.
The ONLY valid argument against crossplay is that it opens the platform up to more cheating as its fairly simple to find/create cheats for the pc platform as anyone can code for windows. The xbox requires Microsoft to digitally sign all xbox executables.
That said, there are other devices such as the Kronus devices that offer console users the ability to cheat just the same. Eliminating cheating is a constant game of cat and mouse that will never end sadly.
The xbox is essentially a standardised windows machine under the hood though.
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No you can’t…the ranked options are intentionally deceptive as all it does is give you the option to play against controller players only in solo/duo…there are lots of players using controller on PC so this isn’t turning off crossplay.
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Those settings don’t work so you might want to research what you say before defending 343i.
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On Xbox, if I inspect the player profile, it will have a computer with a monitor icon next to their status of “Online” or “Last Online x hours ago”.
So you can easily tell who is M&K post match.
During a match you can tell who is a M&K if they spin-around too much or if you see them consistently land headshots while you are sliding and using thrusters.
Whenever there are no M&K players, there are more kills for controller players to take up and the match takes a little longer.
S.W.A.T. (tactical slayer) is unenjoyable with PC players in the lobby.
This means they are using a pc, it doesn’t indicate at all what control method they are using. I use a pc and i play exclusively with an elite series 2 controller.
There is also (how much is a debate I don’t want to get into) aim assist for controller users, on both pc and xbox.
Ive been playing first person shooters for years, since before looking up and down was a thing. Its instinctive for me to go for headshots even if that’s detrimental in the case of Halo (its actually better to go for body shots until the shields are broken). For reference, my accuracy is 45.9% and Headshot Accuracy is 50.6%, In ranked with a BR start its 50.4% and 62% respectively.
Again, the absolute top players play with a controller, if there was any advantage overall to use a M&K, the cream of the crop would be using them. Go watch the top, TOP ranked players play. None of them, not a single one uses M&K.
You see the opposite argument from most PC players, they argue they don’t want to play with controller users as they have “built in aimbot”.
This is the only FPS game Ive played where the controller is on par with if not better than M&K in my opinion. Given that both platforms can use either, this is not a platform advantage, its simply more choice for the user.
This MAY be the only playlist where a M&K potentially comes out on top… and again that’s debatable. I’m sure if you put Lucid in match with the very best M&K user, he would most likely still absolutely destroy them
Most PC players likely use M&K because of the advantage they have with spin and accuracy with sniper-type weapons.
Aim assist is weak compared to other games.
It literally just lightly-drifts your aim towards the enemy when your targeting reticule is red.
Unlike in games like CoD where it allows you to insta-lock onto heads upon going ADS.
But it is still far easier to aim with a mouse than a right joystick.
Comparing Team Fortress 2 and CSGO on Xbox and PC, I almost never pickup snipers in CSGO console and rarely touch Sniper in TF2.
Either way, BOTH PARTIES want Crossplay to be optional.
I play with a few people on PC, all of them use controller. One friend did use M&K but that was cause his pad at the time wasn’t recognised by Halo. He has since switched to a pad.
Again, i dont want to get into a debate about how strong it is, it feels fine to me. No complaints here. We dont get a red reticule on PC so I cant comment on that.
COD is COD though, I can say I used a M&K on that and absolutely destroyed people in comparison to how i performed with a controller. My first match I described to a friend as like cheating. This is definitely not the same as in Halo.
You are talking about games designed for M&K, Halo was designed for a controller. From the get go it was designed around the xbox controller.
This is not true. A minority want crossplay disabled. If it was a majority, the developer would have catered to that. They dont go out of their way to alienate large swathes of their playerbases.
Fracturing the already dwindling playerbase would be very detrimental to the already wonky matchmaking and server placements.
Again, please go look up the pro’s. They are not lying about controller use. There is also a fantastic youtube channel called gameleaps halo infinite guides that have went pretty in depth about the controller vs M&K and their potential in high level play.
Im not defending no one im just stating that the option to turn off cross play exists in ranked… and how do you know it does not work? I would love to see that data
I guess that IS a reason. Just a poor one. If you want longer queue times that is your choice to have better matches. If someone is fine with waiting why should they be punished with an inferior system? Also, the last part of your quote has an easy solution… Have a dang region select like most games have. Better yet have a server list so I can play EXACTLY what I want to play. If only that happened TWENTY YEARS AGO ON THE FIRST HALO GAME!
For a start, not defending no one means that you’re defending someone (yes, I am the grammar police in disguise!).
Secondly, it wasn’t you that I stated was defending 343i and neither was it you that said that the Xbox settings could turn off crossplay. For the record, we all use Microsoft accounts whether you play on Xbox or PC and disabling crossplay via the Xbox privacy settings doesn’t work as preventing you from matching against PC players as we are all using Microsoft accounts.
With regards to your actual post that I was replying to, the ranked options are classed as “crossplay” which is “open” for 3 or more players, and solo/duo which is based for either controller or M&K for either 1 or 2 players. Neither of these options disable platform based crossplay (and I don’t need to provide any stats or data because it is fact), and the wording is either intentionally misleading or coincidental because “open” being “crossplay” suggests that the other 2 playlists aren’t crossplay which is incorrect (ie console players can play against PC players if they are both using controller).
As such, you can easily come across cheats using hacks on PC using controllers in the ranked solo/duo controller playlist so it doesn’t at all resolve the cheating issue which is obviously more prevalent amongst PC players. Also it is widely reported that aim assist is stronger on controller for PC players than it is for controller on console.
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The weapons have a set auto aim value. They are identical for both pc and Xbox.
I don’t have any way to test this personally…but it has been widely reported on here and Reddit that aim assist for controller is greater on PC than it is for console. I’m pretty sure the players that have said that they have both platforms wouldn’t be making this up however as stated, I don’t have any means to test or prove this one way or another.
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Same reason the quit ban is still a thing even though the servers are awful: lack of forethought.
I agree with you there buddy