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Insurrectionist and ISIS.
I know this a delicate subject for some and I only do this to wonder what others think and to see the well thought out opinions and see what the rest world thinks when I ask the community. I am to trying not to offend anyone so I am going to word this topic very simple when it comes to labeling the group and their actions.
Do you think ISIS the extremist terror group, that is waging war against everyone who doesn’t believe or support their ideology in today’s world. Could you say that ISIS is like the Insurrectionist Faction in the Halo universe?
I know that the start of each group is very different, the Insurrectionist were not fighting for the sheer fact that they think they are in the right and that the rest of the world most be crushed or follow their rule. The insurrection fought to be individual and separate from the UEG and have their own system and party. But there is parts of extremism in the Insurrection we hear bits and pieces of this in Hunt the Truth Season 2, and the tactics they have committed are just as horrific and outlandish in the Halo universe. The only way I see that ISIS and the Insurrection compare when it comes to this that ISIS wants its own nation or domain sort of speak.
Also with that being said when the UNSC tried to counter the Insurrection, there was a lot of red tape when it came to the conflicts, and the concern of popular opinion and casualties that come with such war. Because even in the Halo Universe the Insurrection still exist even after the Covenant Human War.
So from a certain standpoint do you think when it comes to the acts of horrific violence and how the Nations of today’s world dealing with ISIS similar to how the Insurrection and their extremism, and how the UNSC is trying to deal with the Insurrection.
I apologize on the matter if most of this doesn’t make sense, or offends you in some way shape or form, if a moderator wants to lock this because it could upset others I completely understand as well. I just wish to see what others have to say and think about.
I’d prefer not to relate things I love with things I hate. They are nothing more than cowards spreading fear and dissension in the innocent. I understand the meaning behind this thread but best not bring these things up very delicate subject and all that…
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> I’d prefer not to relate things I love with things I hate. They are nothing more than cowards spreading fear and dissension in the innocent. I understand the meaning behind this thread but best not bring these things up very delicate subject and all that…
I agree that this is a very delicate subject. Its unfortunate that cowards and thugs like these have to walk the Earth. All I was wondering is what people thought on this matter with no disrespect or offense to anyone.
They don’t randomly execute people and post it online.
Honestly the innies are more like american revolutionaries who lack a proper person to rally around.
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> They don’t randomly execute people and post it online.
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> Honestly the innies are more like american revolutionaries who lack a proper person to rally around.
Well I am not going to defend ISIS even though I have seen some of thier videos in regards to IED’s and them targeting the Iraqi convoys and the damage.
Which is no different than the Insurrectionist of Epsilon Eridani who also used IED’s on targets to create chaos and fear. They hit both civilian and UNSC targets…
To say that innes are more like American Revolutionaries are not the same when it comes to how they fight and how one group displays fear and chaos.
Yes and no. Their goals are very different. Insurrectionist want more freedom and Daesh seeks to destroy it. Insurrection have somewhat noble cause but Daesh does not.
Their ways to achieve their goals are quite similar. They use horrible acts of terror to create hatred and disorder. Daesh wants people in western countries to become more racist so they could bring a conflict between muslims and those who are not muslims. WW 3 is their ultomate goal.
Insurrectionits want a conflict between UNSC and Outer Colonies. By making UNSC (and ONI) fascist they can win people in Inner Colonies to their side and create an ultimate revolution. It’s kinda understandable why UNSC created Spartans after rebels grew strong enough to acquire nuclear weapons.
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> Yes and no. Their goals are very different. Insurrectionist want more freedom and Daesh seeks to destroy it. Insurrection have somewhat noble cause but Daesh does not.
> Their ways to achieve their goals are quite similar. They use horrible acts of terror to create hatred and disorder. Daesh wants people in western countries to become more racist so they could bring a conflict between muslims and those who are not muslims. WW 3 is their ultimate goal.
> Insurrectionist want a conflict between UNSC and Outer Colonies. By making UNSC (and ONI) fascist they can win people in Inner Colonies to their side and create an ultimate revolution. It’s kinda understandable why UNSC created Spartans after rebels grew strong enough to acquire nuclear weapons.
Good points, Unfortunately creating something like the Spartan IIs would be something not acceptable in today’s just like in the Halo universe. But in a sense you have something close to the idea of Spartans and that would SOF units like CAG, DEVGRU, GROM, just to name a few. I think once ISIS made it known they have a nuke, and used it, its all out warfare from there.
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> Insurrectionists had a point, while ISIS are just some idiots glued together in their goal of slaving all manking under some religion.
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> I’d side with the Insurrectionists any day.
I would side with the innies any day instead a group of thugs and worthless cowards… But in reality ISIS actually does have a point, I mean if you have seen thier pathetic propaganda, but also have seen videos of them in combat, they fight like fire teams, also like jerks who play battlefield. I mean for god sake’s these a-holes stole Iraqi military gear, weapons and night vision and stormed in the generals house and killed him…they fight like thier trying to make a point…
In their beliefs and fundamental reasons, they are different… But… They are both fighting for their own perceived “Independence and Sovereignty”. Both ISIS and the Insurrectionists wish to be independent and self ruling. Indies on the basis that their rights are infringed, ISIS wishes to be their own state. Their methods however, are similar. Both resort to acts of terrorism and bombing. Both use propaganda (everyone uses propaganda, good or bad). Both are willing to die for their cause. Both are willing to lay waste to large swaths of po-Yoink-tion (Halo: Cole Protocol exemplifies some willingness to let Earth burn, either by p-Yoink-ively waiting the war out, or actively handing Earth’s coordinates to the Covenant).
Honestly, I’ve been more in favor of the UNSC. The Innies tarnish the lives of those who died fighting the Human-Covenant War. As to the comment about the ethics behind the creation of Spartans, the Innies more than happily created rumble drugs, which result in user death. Furthermore, war has always involved less than good and ethical creations. It’s weird, I read 1984 not as a warning about the dangers of totalitarianism, but as an instruction manual. XD
History is written by the victor, and history’s victor has been the UEG and UNSC. So far, we have only been shown the UNSC side of things, with all its related propaganda, painting the Innies as enemies of the state for multiple reasons.
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> History is written by the victor, and history’s victor has been the UEG and UNSC. So far, we have only been shown the UNSC side of things, with all its related propaganda, painting the Innies as enemies of the state for multiple reasons.
agreed, We only know one side of the war between innies and the UNSC, I think there is more to it than meets the eye.
Some insurrectionist were opting for peaceful methods like the people who rallied behind fero.
and then you get insurrectionist like Isla Zane or whatever her name is who are brutal in there methods. Those groups of insurrectionist are like ISIS.
times like these i wish we had Spartans to wipe ISIS of the face of the earth!
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> > I’d prefer not to relate things I love with things I hate. They are nothing more than cowards spreading fear and dissension in the innocent. I understand the meaning behind this thread but best not bring these things up very delicate subject and all that…
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> I agree that this is a very delicate subject. Its unfortunate that cowards and thugs like these have to walk the Earth. All I was wondering is what people thought on this matter with no disrespect or offense to anyone.
I argue that it is a necessary subject to be brought up whenever possible. These are trying times we are living in, but only through dialogue and JDAMs can we end Daesh!
As a soldier in the Army myself, I agree with some of you above saying the relationship between ISIS who is very real and has alot of blood on their hands, and a fictional insurrectionist group is at the very least insensitive. That being said, this is the internet so there is a plethora of insensitive information out there. To answer your question, no they are not similar. Neither this universe, nor the Halo universe, or any inbetween has glorified such brutal murder of innocence to the degree ISIS has and does. Their alleged cause is far overshadowed by their brutal acts. They are a shock factor terrorist organization and mark my word, they will get what they have coming to them. Halo insurrectionists are much more akin to American revolutionaries. In fact the initial foundation for their dissatisfaction is derived from their colonization and reluctance to remain under the pervue of a centralized off planet government organization. Real life vs. Fictional universe. No comparison.