Is the Gravemind dead?

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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> Yeah but…why the human, the Covenant, even the Forerunners didnt try to find where the Flood come from?

They only knew that they found Flood on the rings. Bornstellar knew how the Flood came about. Its talked about in Halo: Cryptum. Basically, Humans found the powdered dust of Precursors and fed it to Pheru, a type of pet that was popular with the Humans and Prophets. The Pheru mutated enough to become carnivores and parasitic. Eventually, when Humans ate the Pheru, the parasite genes passed onto them. The Ur-Didact knew that the Flood were Ancient Precursors when he conversed with the Primordial, the Last Precursor. Humanity also figured out what the Flood was when the Primordial told them on Charum Hakkum.

The races knew what the Flood was. However, no one knew who the Flood were after the Halo event. Everyone who did was dead, and imprints from Forerunners in Chief didn’t unlock any knowledge with him. Overall, you can’t learn knowledge from someone if they are dead.

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> > Yeah but…why the human, the Covenant, even the Forerunners didnt try to find where the Flood come from?
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> The races knew what the Flood was. However, no one knew who the Flood were after the Halo event. Everyone who did was dead, and imprints from Forerunners in Chief didn’t unlock any knowledge with him. Overall, you can’t learn knowledge from someone if they are dead.

Wow I undertand man…but if the Flood are still alive, that means that Precursors are alive too.
So why the Humans dont try to find the definitive solution, I mean, the Precursors?

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> > > Yeah but…why the human, the Covenant, even the Forerunners didnt try to find where the Flood come from?
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> > The races knew what the Flood was. However, no one knew who the Flood were after the Halo event. Everyone who did was dead, and imprints from Forerunners in Chief didn’t unlock any knowledge with him. Overall, you can’t learn knowledge from someone if they are dead.
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> Wow I undertand man…but if the Flood are still alive, that means that Precursors are alive too.
> So why the Humans dont try to find the definitive solution, I mean, the Precursors?

All Precursors are dead actually. All that’s left are the Flood. The humans did find them.

There is some talk about maybe the Flood trying to test Humanity, but the problem is that that was the INITIAL intention of the Precursors, but with age comes corruption. Now the Precursors want every one of their creations to suffer. Finding a Precursor would be… Death basically.

Heck even conversing with a Precursor is so horrifying that people killed themselves when they learned the truth about the Flood. Like when the humans conversed with the Primordial.

Generally, we don’t want to meet Precursors. Both from a gameplay perspective (would totally destroy their mysterious ways), and lore perspective (would kill us by talking with us).

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> > > > Yeah but…why the human, the Covenant, even the Forerunners didnt try to find where the Flood come from?
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> > > They only knew that they found Flood on the rings. Bornstellar knew how the Flood came about. Its talked about in Halo: Cryptum. Basically, Humans found the powdered dust of Precursors and fed it to Pheru, a type of pet that was popular with the Humans and Prophets. The Pheru mutated enough to become carnivores and parasitic. Eventually, when Humans ate the Pheru, the parasite genes passed onto them. The Ur-Didact knew that the Flood were Ancient Precursors when he conversed with the Primordial, the Last Precursor. Humanity also figured out what the Flood was when the Primordial told them on Charum Hakkum.
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> > > The races knew what the Flood was. However, no one knew who the Flood were after the Halo event. Everyone who did was dead, and imprints from Forerunners in Chief didn’t unlock any knowledge with him. Overall, you can’t learn knowledge from someone if they are dead.
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> Heck even conversing with a Precursor is so horrifying that people killed themselves when they learned the truth aboTut the Flood. Like when the humans conversed with the Primordial.
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> Generally, we don’t want to meet Precursors. Both from a gameplay perspective (would totally destroy their mysterious ways), and lore perspective (would kill us by talking with us).

It was never confirmed that all Precursors are dead. Primordial stated that some successfully fled destruction and continued to create while other became the flood. I’ve also heard it speculated that the voices warning Bornstellar in the Domain about the flood and the fate of the Forerunners might have been uncorrupted Precursors. Also, how is finding a precursor death? Primordial was in with the Flood. We haven’t come across any of the others yet. There is no evidence that they are monolithic in behavior and viewpoints. It is possible others exist and may be watching us from the void.

Those humans talked with the architect of the Flood. Of course they were horrified, but then again a slurry of lies and half-truths can demoralize and drive people to madness. We don’t know to this day what exactly he told them, either. Not all humans are affected by the Precursor’s diatribe, either. The Chief actually worried the Gravemind when he marched right inside him despite all the rhetoric.

Considering how enigmatic the Precursors are, would a cameo or appearance truly destroy their appeal? They aren’t like the other races… they can apparently take a variety of forms and whatnot. Ever now, their origins and history are unknown.

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> > > > The races knew what the Flood was. However, no one knew who the Flood were after the Halo event. Everyone who did was dead, and imprints from Forerunners in Chief didn’t unlock any knowledge with him. Overall, you can’t learn knowledge from someone if they are dead.
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> > Heck even conversing with a Precursor is so horrifying that people killed themselves when they learned the truth aboTut the Flood. Like when the humans conversed with the Primordial.
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> > Generally, we don’t want to meet Precursors. Both from a gameplay perspective (would totally destroy their mysterious ways), and lore perspective (would kill us by talking with us).
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> It was never confirmed that all Precursors are dead. Primordial stated that some successfully fled destruction and continued to create while other became the flood. I’ve also heard it speculated that the voices warning Bornstellar in the Domain about the flood and the fate of the Forerunners might have been uncorrupted Precursors. Also, how is finding a precursor death? Primordial was in with the Flood. We haven’t come across any of the others yet. There is no evidence that they are monolithic in behavior and viewpoints. It is possible others exist and may be watching us from the void.
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> Those humans talked with the architect of the Flood. Of course they were horrified, but then again a slurry of lies and half-truths can demoralize and drive people to madness. We don’t know to this day what exactly he told them, either. Not all humans are affected by the Precursor’s diatribe, either. The Chief actually worried the Gravemind when he marched right inside him despite all the rhetoric.
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> Considering how enigmatic the Precursors are, would a cameo or appearance truly destroy their appeal? They aren’t like the other races… they can apparently take a variety of forms and whatnot. Ever now, their origins and history are unknown.

Its kinda a given that all Precursors are dead, at least in their original form. They created different forms of themselves. However, Precursors like the Primordial are indeed non existent. And I did mention that’s all that is really noticeable left of them is the Flood.

Actually the voices were the Didact. Well, his memories of when he conversed with the Primordial in Primordium. I think Iso-Didact thought they were Precursors at first, which they might have been (since Precursors actually did make the Domain. Speculation is the Flood is an Anti-Domain, but that’s something else), but the Domain was locked out to everyone. The Ur-Didacts memories did indeed note that he learned of the Flood through the Timeless One.

I say death because after the Forerunners attacked the Precursors, they show nothing but hatred for other species. Hence the making of the Flood. At first it was a tool for testing of the Mantle, now its a weapon to eliminate all of their creations. Whether all the survivors agree or not is the unknown. We have zero clue their society, their social structure, their habits, beliefs or even names. And when you say void I think of the place where they are dead so…

The humans I mentioned talked with the Timeless One (sum up, Primordial = Timeless One = Captive =The Prisoner). They asked it what the Flood were. Its a Precursor, and it had an answer. Why would it lie to its creations? Sure, we have no clue what they heard, but if the knowledge is so horrifying that they kill themselves, I doubt they would do that act if they had a worm of doubt. Plus, I seem to recall it being stated in the books that all the Humans on Charum Hakkum committed suicide, the ones who conversed with him.

With Chief talking with the Gravemind, the Gravemind didn’t ever lie or half-truth Chief. He told the truth, but not every inch of detail. Sure, he didn’t tell Chief that he would attack High Charity, but Chief and Arbiter did not ask. What would the Gravemind answer then? Air?

It would destroy the Precursors appeal and mystery. Cause with one single cameo or appearance, everything that we held in doubt could be COMPLETELY dissected by Lore Fans. Sure, those who play the games or the odd book or two won’t understand, but 343 has a massive community. Precursors are “gone.” If the Precursors were alive, don’t you think we would have found them at least once? Forerunners, Prophets and Humans met one, ONE before the Halo Event. Yet we met the Flood millions of times.

And that is another reason why the Precursors are not alive. Neural Physics. Its what the Precursors used. The Halo Array was the bane of Neural Physics. The only way to possibly survive would be to be out of range of the array or on a Halo (speculation). As we know, the Halo Array could cover the entire Galaxy to eliminate everything. So, no Precursors in our galaxy. The only other Galaxy is the one they retreated to, however the Forerunners did go there and completely slaughter them.

I think that the only way a Precursor could possibly be introduced is if they were from way out of our galaxy. However, the only known instance of this is the Forerunners galaxy hopping. No other race can do this. So why would a Precursor come back to this Galaxy and risk being killed? Well, that’s to say if there even ARE Precursors left and that the Forerunners didn’t kill all of them.

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> Its kinda a given that all Precursors are dead, at least in their original form.

When was that given?

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Cryptum, Primordium and Silentium. And all the games. Their alternate form is Flood so…

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> > > The Gravemind is essentially a consciousness that can’t be killed. Once a new Gravemind forms, it will come back.
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kinda since the gravemind is a precurser that after turning itself into a kind of living dust, like hibernation kind of I guess until all the peices come back together, that over time became currupted, the lore says defective like it was a technology but I think it also stems from the betrayal of the forerunners, so yeah its not dead but it took a millenia to reasemble so id expect it to either not come back or somebody crazy reasembles it. Or just a theory another precurser gravemind? Not the same one in halo 3 as more then one precurser turned into the dust

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and not all the precursers became flood son of them went into an advanced cryo like state so we might even see an un-corrupted precursor at some point

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Actually… You know the Halo Array? Do you know how it works? It kills the Floods food right? It also destroyed all the Precursor stuff because of Neural Physics. The Halo Array targets that specific area. Its how they killed the Flood. Its also the reason why we never see Precursor stuff. So I seriously seriously doubt we will see Precursors.

We only really know about them because they were mentioned a couple times. Do you know who HIGHCOM is? Its a real organization. And guess what? They are above ONI, UEG, UNSC, everyone. Course, they aren’t talked about much. No sense talking about something that “doesn’t exist” right.

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That could be however the Precursors, at least according to forerunner beliefs, could travel between galaxies. There may be some lurking somewhere in some other galaxy

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People seem to be foretting that the precursers came from outside this galaxy, the halo rings fired and destroyed all life in this galaxy, it didnt destroy all life outside the galaxy. Even in the books they go outside the galaxy and find a huge armarda of battleships from eons ago. There is so much story left unknown, to just come out and say its a given precursers are dead is kinda stupid imbh. There could even be forerunners out there outside of this galaxy we dont know about, they did have the means to go out of this galaxy so dont count anything out just yet.
Before halo 4 we didnt think we ever see a Didact alive and well in a halo game but here we are.

Also the Primordial loves toying with people and telling lies apon lies you never really know whats true or not with him, so him saying hes flood ect could just be fun and games to him you really cant take the Primordials word for anything, but he sure is a great character.

End of the day dont count anything out in halo universe, why rid the game story of such interesting alien races when writing them back in is so easy. Tend to find why the halo universe is so full of blanks to keep the story / games going. and its better for it.

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The Precursors are the only thing a mystery in Halo
Making them non-mysterious would COMPLETELY destroy that sense of mystery with the Precursors. Also, people seem to forget that the Forerunners actually jumped galaxies to eliminate the Precursors. They hunted down all the Precursors. Sure, some may have survives, but why would they return to a galaxy that has such contempt and hate for them, along with their other forms constantly ravaging them? If the Precursors were to return, the Flood would have to be completely gone. Remember, hundreds of thousands of years, and no Precursors besides one, which was moved without its consent.

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I remember when there were no Forerunners alive as of 2552. And then in 2557 the Didact was found to be alive within his combat cryptum. Could there be a Precursor survivor in 2558? Will Johnson rise from the grave and be grafted into power armor powered by the consumption of human brains? How many licks does it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop?

The world may never know

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Really would like to see the Primordial in Halo 5 or 6 or any spin off. It would be nice yo recreate the war Forerunners - Precursors in a spin off too

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> Really would like to see the Primordial in Halo 5 or 6 or any spin off. It would be nice yo recreate the war Forerunners - Precursors in a spin off too

It would be epic. But it would maybe feel like Evolve eh?

Imagine fighting like four Precursors and there’s about 50-200 forerunners you’re fighting alongside. Man that would be massive.

Halo massive multiplayer mode confirmed broskis!

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Stop hype me :frowning:

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> Halo massive multiplayer mode confirmed broskis!

I’d love to see a Halo spinoff in the time of the Forerunners. Fighting Humans, San’Shyum, Flood, whatever. Just go crazy with the weaponry. Disintegration, weaponised weather, gravity manipulation, the lot. Instant buy.

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> How many licks does it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop?

I have people working on this as we speak.

If any Precursors are left it is likely that they are beyond the confines of linear, physical space.

Imagine a creature so immense and horrifying that it can speak to you through vibrations of particles, coercing you to end your very existence.
A being so utterly indomitable that it can reduce all matter to ash in a whisper of a thought.

I do not think we will ever witness the majesty of the Precursors.

Edited for clarity.

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> The Precursors are the only thing a mystery in Halo
> Making them non-mysterious would COMPLETELY destroy that sense of mystery with the Precursors. Also, people seem to forget that the Forerunners actually jumped galaxies to eliminate the Precursors. They hunted down all the Precursors. Sure, some may have survives, but why would they return to a galaxy that has such contempt and hate for them, along with their other forms constantly ravaging them? If the Precursors were to return, the Flood would have to be completely gone. Remember, hundreds of thousands of years, and no Precursors besides one, which was moved without its consent.

I’ll do a complete response to the previous long quote when I get time, internet ate my response to you. But in regards to this…

Precursors are not the only thing that remain a mystery in Halo. We know virtually nothing about “the Guardians”. We still have no idea what happened to the rest of the estimate 600+ shield worlds existing in the galaxy. The current status of the Domain. The mysterious

Data corruptions and Deep Space Anomalies ONI has detected…

Heck, what do we even know about the Ancient Forerunners, the ones that the Halo-Era Forerunners only discovered evidence of due to the Librarian’s explorations in Path Kethona? The Human-Forerunner common ancestor theory? Etc…

Forerunners jumped to exactly 1 known galaxy… Path Kethona. No evidence they killed them all… Even Primordial states that “others fled, creation continued”…apart from the Flood. There may very well be other Precursor factions. Humans are not monolithic, Forerunners were not monolithic, why must Precursors be? As for why, to test the bearers of the Mantle.

Again, the whole “last precursor” thing is presented from the viewpoint of a Forerunner. I believe it was later stated in murky tones of “last known precursor”.