honestly hoping that he isnt dead but sadly cant see 343 bringing another back
Grave mind is dead for sure? I thought the plan just stranded him.
There are 10 graveminds still on halo instilation 07 and there still there. If you go and look at halo 07 in halo 3 the covenant level, you can see its prity much just flood colour so totally infested with flood. Little is known how the flood graveminds work but there is some kinda subconsious connection with all flood , like a hive mind. Killing one gravemind doesnt really mean much.
Nope his mind isn’t dead just his physical form and when he is back I reckon he will have a bone to pick with Chief…or several.
So the Precursors, or that consious never die?
I don;t understand why the Precursors let the Forerunners win if they were so powerful?
Could someone explain it to me?
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> I don;t understand why the Precursors let the Forerunners win if they were so powerful?
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The Precursors let them because they were completely shocked that their creations turned on them. They were not expecting such violence. They couldn’t possibly believe that their creations would have such violent intentions. By the time they realized that the Forerunners wanted their extinction, they were too few. Even then, they still wouldn’t attack their creations. The few that survived either became the dust that would become the Flood, or stayed in a seperate galaxy. The Primordial, the last Precursor, was the start of the Flood.
Overall? The Precursors didn’t sit back and let themselves be killed. Their ‘first forms’ were. Their second forms, the Flood, got revenge. No more Forerunners. And now the Didact is stuck in the Domain, a place that no one can activate. Forerunners equal zero. Flood equals alive. Precursors win.
On a separate note, the Flood are still alive. I seem to recall reading somewhere that the Gravemind on the Ark is still alive. Chief conversed with him I think. However it was very weak so it wouldn’t be able to do much. There is also a Flood Form on the Spirit of Fire, which means that if that Gravemind dies, another form will take its place. The Flood are still here. They are hard to kill. The Flood are not ‘dead.’ Don’t ever make the assumption that the Flood are ever dead. Always assume they are alive. Somewhere.
Yeah but…why the human, the Covenant, even the Forerunners didnt try to find where the Flood come from?
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> Yeah but…why the human, the Covenant, even the Forerunners didnt try to find where the Flood come from?
They only knew that they found Flood on the rings. Bornstellar knew how the Flood came about. Its talked about in Halo: Cryptum. Basically, Humans found the powdered dust of Precursors and fed it to Pheru, a type of pet that was popular with the Humans and Prophets. The Pheru mutated enough to become carnivores and parasitic. Eventually, when Humans ate the Pheru, the parasite genes passed onto them. The Ur-Didact knew that the Flood were Ancient Precursors when he conversed with the Primordial, the Last Precursor. Humanity also figured out what the Flood was when the Primordial told them on Charum Hakkum.
The races knew what the Flood was. However, no one knew who the Flood were after the Halo event. Everyone who did was dead, and imprints from Forerunners in Chief didn’t unlock any knowledge with him. Overall, you can’t learn knowledge from someone if they are dead.
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> The races knew what the Flood was. However, no one knew who the Flood were after the Halo event. Everyone who did was dead, and imprints from Forerunners in Chief didn’t unlock any knowledge with him. Overall, you can’t learn knowledge from someone if they are dead.
Wow I undertand man…but if the Flood are still alive, that means that Precursors are alive too.
So why the Humans dont try to find the definitive solution, I mean, the Precursors?
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> > The races knew what the Flood was. However, no one knew who the Flood were after the Halo event. Everyone who did was dead, and imprints from Forerunners in Chief didn’t unlock any knowledge with him. Overall, you can’t learn knowledge from someone if they are dead.
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> Wow I undertand man…but if the Flood are still alive, that means that Precursors are alive too.
> So why the Humans dont try to find the definitive solution, I mean, the Precursors?
All Precursors are dead actually. All that’s left are the Flood. The humans did find them.
There is some talk about maybe the Flood trying to test Humanity, but the problem is that that was the INITIAL intention of the Precursors, but with age comes corruption. Now the Precursors want every one of their creations to suffer. Finding a Precursor would be… Death basically.
Heck even conversing with a Precursor is so horrifying that people killed themselves when they learned the truth about the Flood. Like when the humans conversed with the Primordial.
Generally, we don’t want to meet Precursors. Both from a gameplay perspective (would totally destroy their mysterious ways), and lore perspective (would kill us by talking with us).
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It was never confirmed that all Precursors are dead. Primordial stated that some successfully fled destruction and continued to create while other became the flood. I’ve also heard it speculated that the voices warning Bornstellar in the Domain about the flood and the fate of the Forerunners might have been uncorrupted Precursors. Also, how is finding a precursor death? Primordial was in with the Flood. We haven’t come across any of the others yet. There is no evidence that they are monolithic in behavior and viewpoints. It is possible others exist and may be watching us from the void.
Those humans talked with the architect of the Flood. Of course they were horrified, but then again a slurry of lies and half-truths can demoralize and drive people to madness. We don’t know to this day what exactly he told them, either. Not all humans are affected by the Precursor’s diatribe, either. The Chief actually worried the Gravemind when he marched right inside him despite all the rhetoric.
Considering how enigmatic the Precursors are, would a cameo or appearance truly destroy their appeal? They aren’t like the other races… they can apparently take a variety of forms and whatnot. Ever now, their origins and history are unknown.
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> It was never confirmed that all Precursors are dead. Primordial stated that some successfully fled destruction and continued to create while other became the flood. I’ve also heard it speculated that the voices warning Bornstellar in the Domain about the flood and the fate of the Forerunners might have been uncorrupted Precursors. Also, how is finding a precursor death? Primordial was in with the Flood. We haven’t come across any of the others yet. There is no evidence that they are monolithic in behavior and viewpoints. It is possible others exist and may be watching us from the void.
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> Those humans talked with the architect of the Flood. Of course they were horrified, but then again a slurry of lies and half-truths can demoralize and drive people to madness. We don’t know to this day what exactly he told them, either. Not all humans are affected by the Precursor’s diatribe, either. The Chief actually worried the Gravemind when he marched right inside him despite all the rhetoric.
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> Considering how enigmatic the Precursors are, would a cameo or appearance truly destroy their appeal? They aren’t like the other races… they can apparently take a variety of forms and whatnot. Ever now, their origins and history are unknown.
Its kinda a given that all Precursors are dead, at least in their original form. They created different forms of themselves. However, Precursors like the Primordial are indeed non existent. And I did mention that’s all that is really noticeable left of them is the Flood.
Actually the voices were the Didact. Well, his memories of when he conversed with the Primordial in Primordium. I think Iso-Didact thought they were Precursors at first, which they might have been (since Precursors actually did make the Domain. Speculation is the Flood is an Anti-Domain, but that’s something else), but the Domain was locked out to everyone. The Ur-Didacts memories did indeed note that he learned of the Flood through the Timeless One.
I say death because after the Forerunners attacked the Precursors, they show nothing but hatred for other species. Hence the making of the Flood. At first it was a tool for testing of the Mantle, now its a weapon to eliminate all of their creations. Whether all the survivors agree or not is the unknown. We have zero clue their society, their social structure, their habits, beliefs or even names. And when you say void I think of the place where they are dead so…
The humans I mentioned talked with the Timeless One (sum up, Primordial = Timeless One = Captive =The Prisoner). They asked it what the Flood were. Its a Precursor, and it had an answer. Why would it lie to its creations? Sure, we have no clue what they heard, but if the knowledge is so horrifying that they kill themselves, I doubt they would do that act if they had a worm of doubt. Plus, I seem to recall it being stated in the books that all the Humans on Charum Hakkum committed suicide, the ones who conversed with him.
With Chief talking with the Gravemind, the Gravemind didn’t ever lie or half-truth Chief. He told the truth, but not every inch of detail. Sure, he didn’t tell Chief that he would attack High Charity, but Chief and Arbiter did not ask. What would the Gravemind answer then? Air?
It would destroy the Precursors appeal and mystery. Cause with one single cameo or appearance, everything that we held in doubt could be COMPLETELY dissected by Lore Fans. Sure, those who play the games or the odd book or two won’t understand, but 343 has a massive community. Precursors are “gone.” If the Precursors were alive, don’t you think we would have found them at least once? Forerunners, Prophets and Humans met one, ONE before the Halo Event. Yet we met the Flood millions of times.
And that is another reason why the Precursors are not alive. Neural Physics. Its what the Precursors used. The Halo Array was the bane of Neural Physics. The only way to possibly survive would be to be out of range of the array or on a Halo (speculation). As we know, the Halo Array could cover the entire Galaxy to eliminate everything. So, no Precursors in our galaxy. The only other Galaxy is the one they retreated to, however the Forerunners did go there and completely slaughter them.
I think that the only way a Precursor could possibly be introduced is if they were from way out of our galaxy. However, the only known instance of this is the Forerunners galaxy hopping. No other race can do this. So why would a Precursor come back to this Galaxy and risk being killed? Well, that’s to say if there even ARE Precursors left and that the Forerunners didn’t kill all of them.
> Its kinda a given that all Precursors are dead, at least in their original form.
When was that given?
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Cryptum, Primordium and Silentium. And all the games. Their alternate form is Flood so…
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kinda since the gravemind is a precurser that after turning itself into a kind of living dust, like hibernation kind of I guess until all the peices come back together, that over time became currupted, the lore says defective like it was a technology but I think it also stems from the betrayal of the forerunners, so yeah its not dead but it took a millenia to reasemble so id expect it to either not come back or somebody crazy reasembles it. Or just a theory another precurser gravemind? Not the same one in halo 3 as more then one precurser turned into the dust
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and not all the precursers became flood son of them went into an advanced cryo like state so we might even see an un-corrupted precursor at some point
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Actually… You know the Halo Array? Do you know how it works? It kills the Floods food right? It also destroyed all the Precursor stuff because of Neural Physics. The Halo Array targets that specific area. Its how they killed the Flood. Its also the reason why we never see Precursor stuff. So I seriously seriously doubt we will see Precursors.
We only really know about them because they were mentioned a couple times. Do you know who HIGHCOM is? Its a real organization. And guess what? They are above ONI, UEG, UNSC, everyone. Course, they aren’t talked about much. No sense talking about something that “doesn’t exist” right.
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> We only really know about them because they were mentioned a couple times. Do you know who HIGHCOM is? Its a real organization. And guess what? They are above ONI, UEG, UNSC, everyone. Course, they aren’t talked about much. No sense talking about something that “doesn’t exist” right.
That could be however the Precursors, at least according to forerunner beliefs, could travel between galaxies. There may be some lurking somewhere in some other galaxy