Is the death of halo what you want

Now let’s get this clear, no it’s not dying. I would even say, with the recent dev comment on it’s population, that it is recovering. However the death of halo seems like something a lot of the so called “True Fans” wish, whether it be directly or indirectly. Their are people who hate 343 to death, and halo 5 as well as halo 4 who do not appreciate or accept their good points. I understand the hate for Halo 5’s campaign, 4’s MP and the poor Launch of MCC, but what do you people wish to gain from this hate? Where do you think this would lead you and the franchise. I see people try and convince others that the game is crap or halo is dying, what is your goal? It’s understandable to see people arguing and protecting it or trying to convince other’s it’s a good game because honestly if they succeed they increase the fan base of halo, they get more players in.

What do haters get? You say the game is bad, cool why? then go on the forums and make a proper and logical argument. Their is a lot of -Yoink- and blind nitpicky hate, where a lot of people just want the "Old halo’ back, or get halo back to it’s "roots’. Where is the logic in that, it is obvious, clear, that halo won’t go that way, it won’t go backwards. Why not try and improve it in a way that makes sense. Halo 5 has a lot of issues you can argue about instead of just saying REMOVE EVERYTHING AND GIVE ME HALO 2, if you want halo 2 then go play halo 2. Not that hard. But you know what you guys get, what you actually get when you convince people that the game is “bad” or give others a paltform to hate the game. You get another person that stops playing the game, you get another person that won’t but the game. And guess what, if the sales go down so does the potential for more halo content. It leads to the death of halo, and with that goes the chance of a good game. Just a thought you know

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No i don’t think so

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Their i changed the title, happy

So,

What you’re saying is we need to like the new direction of Halo because if not then Halo might die? This seems alot like blind fanboyism. Halo is no longer as popular as it was, you mention the comment by 343, but i think in all honesty that is purely a PR stunt to silence those who speak out against it. More gamers seem to be unhappy with the direction that Halo is going in. Criticizing the game is not hating it. I dislike the direction the franchise has gone but i give reasons as to why and i try to offer solutions to those reasons.

Blindly accepting a $60 product just because you dont want the franchise to die is just being a terrible consumer. It’s ok to express the problems you have with the game, only then can true change come. There are severe flaws in Halo 5, the best way to fix them is address 343 what we want them to do differently. Is that really such a bad thing? To me it sounds like you think no one should talk crap about Halo.

I understand where you’re coming from, OP. But those people you’re talking about, the ones who just hate 343 unconditionally and offer no real feedback, are very few and far between. I wouldn’t worry about them.

It’s really all about preference, OP. Some love sprint; some would like to see the franchise go in another direction. Neither are necessarily right, and both arguments should be heard out.

Yes, there are a lot of mindless, toxic posts toward 343i & Halo 5. But that doesn’t mean all anti-sprinters want to “REMOVE EVERYTHING AND GIVE ME HALO 2!” Matter of fact, comments like those are exactly the “blind hate” and unconstructive posts you’re supposedly against.

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> Now let’s get this clear, no it’s not dying. I would even say, with the recent dev comment on it’s population, that it is recovering. However the death of halo seems like something a lot of the so called “True Fans” wish, whether it be directly or indirectly. Their are people who hate 343 to death, and halo 5 as well as halo 4 who do not appreciate or accept their good points. I understand the hate for Halo 5’s campaign, 4’s MP and the poor Launch of MCC, but what do you people wish to gain from this hate? Where do you think this would lead you and the franchise. I see people try and convince others that the game is crap or halo is dying, what is your goal? It’s understandable to see people arguing and protecting it or trying to convince other’s it’s a good game because honestly if they succeed they increase the fan base of halo, they get more players in.
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> What do haters get? You say the game is bad, cool why? then go on the forums and make a proper and logical argument. Their is a lot of -Yoink- and blind nitpicky hate, where a lot of people just want the "Old halo’ back, or get halo back to it’s "roots’. Where is the logic in that, it is obvious, clear, that halo won’t go that way, it won’t go backwards. Why not try and improve it in a way that makes sense. Halo 5 has a lot of issues you can argue about instead of just saying REMOVE EVERYTHING AND GIVE ME HALO 2, if you want halo 2 then go play halo 2. Not that hard. But you know what you guys get, what you actually get when you convince people that the game is “bad” or give others a paltform to hate the game. You get another person that stops playing the game, you get another person that won’t but the game. And guess what, if the sales go down so does the potential for more halo content. It leads to the death of halo, and with that goes the chance of a good game. Just a thought you know

Personally I think the Halo series should have ended at Reach, then have 343i launch either a completely new IP OR make a new story, with new characters, that didn’t try and be a direct continuation of the original trilogy with the Chief. John’s story was told, why not give themselves a lot more freedom by making a whole new Spartan to play as? Maybe have a JAW DROPPING AMAZING MOMENT when your character comes across the adrift Forward Unto Dawn, and awakens the sleeping legend within. How. Cool. Would. That. Have. Been!?! Fighting alongside the Chief, after Captain-America style re-discovering the lost hero.
But, while Halo 4 was, I admit, a good if not great game, save for a lackluster PVP, it felt entirely different from the original trilogy.
One of the things that gave the original 3 Halos a lot of charm was the Grimdark setting contrasting with a semi-lighthearted story that while simple enough for anyone to understand, had enough depth to be appreciated on a deeper level with it’s morally grey and politically relevant antagonist of the Covenant. (They’re literally the Crusades in Space, and could be compared to modern day terrorists in that they believe what they do is in the name of their religion, and therefore justified in their eyes.) Aliens, the inspiration for the Franchise as a whole (hell the first Halo is the best Aliens shooter ever released) also used this with how cocky and nonchalant the Marines were.
Halo 4 took itself too seriously, not having any of the charming moments or characters the original games had plenty of (I.E. ANY moment with Sergeant Johnson other than his death.) It was honestly a gloomy, sad feeling game. While yes, that was what it was aiming to be, which I applaud it for doing so well, wasn’t in the spirit of the original trilogy. Reach got away with being a story focused on inevitability, death, and loss because it was a Spin-Off, and therefore didn’t have to fit within the norms of the main trilogy. But, when continuing a trilogy that has stood for years, you should aim your best to stay within the tone those game set. I can’t even tell what Halo 5 was trying to do with it’s story and theme (other than being a boring slog with no character). While no, the Halo series shouldn’t have “died,” the original trilogy shouldn’t have been directly continued, but instead expanded upon while remaining it’s own thing.

That and personally I dislike Halo 5 as a whole as it is a complete 180 from Halo 4, focusing on PvP instead of telling a good story/giving a fun Campaign experience, which is what I play the Halo series for, and seeing everyone defend it makes me think that Halo 6 is just gonna be more of Halo 5, which terrifies me.

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> Now let’s get this clear, no it’s not dying. I would even say, with the recent dev comment on it’s population, that it is recovering. However the death of halo seems like something a lot of the so called “True Fans” wish, whether it be directly or indirectly. Their are people who hate 343 to death, and halo 5 as well as halo 4 who do not appreciate or accept their good points. I understand the hate for Halo 5’s campaign, 4’s MP and the poor Launch of MCC, but what do you people wish to gain from this hate? Where do you think this would lead you and the franchise. I see people try and convince others that the game is crap or halo is dying, what is your goal? It’s understandable to see people arguing and protecting it or trying to convince other’s it’s a good game because honestly if they succeed they increase the fan base of halo, they get more players in.
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> What do haters get? You say the game is bad, cool why? then go on the forums and make a proper and logical argument. Their is a lot of -Yoink- and blind nitpicky hate, where a lot of people just want the "Old halo’ back, or get halo back to it’s "roots’. Where is the logic in that, it is obvious, clear, that halo won’t go that way, it won’t go backwards. Why not try and improve it in a way that makes sense. Halo 5 has a lot of issues you can argue about instead of just saying REMOVE EVERYTHING AND GIVE ME HALO 2, if you want halo 2 then go play halo 2. Not that hard. But you know what you guys get, what you actually get when you convince people that the game is “bad” or give others a paltform to hate the game. You get another person that stops playing the game, you get another person that won’t but the game. And guess what, if the sales go down so does the potential for more halo content. It leads to the death of halo, and with that goes the chance of a good game. Just a thought you know

Technically it already is , considering everything that 4 and 5 are built off of are technologies that were never meant to be iterated from and were never meant to influence the future of Halo.
Bungie themselves said it during pre-release promotional material and during at least one of the development(weekly) updates; The tech on Reach is here because Reach is the R&D center for the UNSC , The Covenant brought the best they had because they thought it was Humanities home and they had planned a decisive , crushing assault. A lot of the best both had to offer never made it off Reach.

Plain and simply , Armor abilities were a pre-Halo CE prototype tech that was never meant to be introduced into the main line games.

But , to answer your question , (or at least the question posted) No , I do not wish for the death of Halo. I do wish for TMCC to be properly fixed if that is the only call back to classic Halo that we are going to get. I just don’t care for Abilities(Spartan or armor). Halo (IMO) did things that most other shooters didn’t do (map and weapon control , great gun play[H5 is great here if a bit faster than I care for] and great map design just for example) and did it better than any one else who tried. I feel abilities and sprint break some of these conventions that , to me , make Halo …Halo.

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> What you’re saying is we need to like the new direction of Halo because if not then Halo might die? This seems alot like blind fanboyism. Halo is no longer as popular as it was, you mention the comment by 343, but i think in all honesty that is purely a PR stunt to silence those who speak out against it. More gamers seem to be unhappy with the direction that Halo is going in. Criticizing the game is not hating it. I dislike the direction the franchise has gone but i give reasons as to why and i try to offer solutions to those reasons.
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> Blindly accepting a $60 product just because you dont want the franchise to die is just being a terrible consumer. It’s ok to express the problems you have with the game, only then can true change come. There are severe flaws in Halo 5, the best way to fix them is address 343 what we want them to do differently. Is that really such a bad thing? To me it sounds like you think no one should talk crap about Halo.

No, in no way am i trying to say silence those who don’t like it. Their is most certainly issues with the game that has to be fixed and addressed. In no way would i buy halo 6 if it had a similar campaign to halo 5.

Their is a clear gap between hate and criticism. The people i am talking about are not those who criticise because with criticism you have come to an understating with the content and use logic, you have to provide options, provide reason. A lot of these people in youtube comment sections and FB or twitter posts don’t do this. The go onto complaint and just that, they don’t provide options. You honestly think go back to the old games is an honest viable option? The game has a lot of issues, a lot of issues that need to be addressed. However it has a lot of positive side that need to be appreciated. I think the Act man( youtube) is a perfect example of what type of criticism i am talking about

As far as the story of the Master Chief goes, I think, rather than die, it should come to a natural, satisfying conclusion. This means 343i needs to know when to end it.
However, I think Halo as a franchise can continue beyond the Master Chief.

Well, I’ll tell you why I consistently criticize the Halo 5 campaign: to make sure 343 doesn’t make the same mistakes they made. The flaws are clear and 343 said a lot of questionable things about it before it came out that weren’t strictly true.

I don’t want Halo to die. 343 should learn from their mistakes from Halo 5 to Halo 6. I mean they fixed MP in 5 better then 4.

Someone’s figured out how to create a strawman.

Yes sir, I would like Halo to die, I think Xbox needs a newer and unique exclusive, let Halo end with the end of the second trilogy.

What do haters get from hating? What, we can’t use the word “critiquing” anymore, people that disagree with you are haters, huh?

Halo is awesome and it will likely never die. As long as fans stick to halo and stay the course.

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> I don’t want Halo to die. 343 should learn from their mistakes from Halo 5 to Halo 6. I mean they fixed MP in 5 better then 4.

I agree, I hated halo 4 with all the stupid kill streak type stuff.